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  • #41
  • Sep 24, 2016 5:26am Sep 24, 2016 5:26am
Quoting jen101
{quote} Oh dear. So who will have your vote then?
I'll leave someone else waste their time voting :-)

I'd vote for Trump only because it's the closest thing to anti-government we've seen in a while. Not the best candidate for sure but the other option is more of the same.
  • #42
  • Sep 24, 2016 5:39am Sep 24, 2016 5:39am
Quoting srt
{quote} I'll leave someone else waste their time voting :-) I'd vote for Trump only because it's the closest thing to anti-government we've seen in a while. Not the best candidate for sure but the other option is more of the same.
This is why you have to vote.

https://youtu.be/GjYLWadz5Yc
  • #43
  • Sep 24, 2016 5:42am Sep 24, 2016 5:42am
Quoting ThunderHeart
{quote} Awesome!
Mind you. You have to be careful. There was a thread like this a couple of years back that was not PC. No Jew stuff. No Anti-Gay stuff. Conspiracy stuff is okay.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRLPG_HplrA
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
  • #44
  • Sep 24, 2016 5:53am Sep 24, 2016 5:53am
I'm throwing in a hand grenade and running....................................

https://youtu.be/ozfaLzjjZyE
  • #45
  • Sep 24, 2016 5:54am Sep 24, 2016 5:54am
Quoting jen101
{quote} Oh what a mess! Funny, but so true. This was a while ago here. Rather pathetic in comparison! I wonder if they're also anti-capitalists/ anarchists/ pro-EU etc? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3725777/The-key-players-Britain-s-Black-Lives-Matter-movement.html Yes I saw that video of the woman shooting the intruders. She really didn't have much of a choice as they were armed - again what a bloody mess! I agree with you that a lot of shootings and violence are carried out by people with mental health issues. We...
OMG! I can't believe these people! Truly disgusting. They don't even know they are being being played! I can't imagine any sane reasonable person with any semblance of intelligence would support this terrorist group.

That Norse map is pretty awesome. What I find interesting is the triangulation between, LA, Redmond Washington (Microsoft HQ) and somewhere which looks like upstate New York, possibly what looks to be Fort Drum. Yes the US leads the way in attacks, but right behind it is China. Surprisingly, Netherlands is a distant third! That big red dot you see coming from China, is no doubt either Beijing or Shanghai.
  • #46
  • Sep 24, 2016 5:55am Sep 24, 2016 5:55am
Quoting jen101
{quote} This is why you have to vote. https://youtu.be/GjYLWadz5Yc
Yes, democracy is indeed wonderful. But.....heed my warning. FF is a business. That video was okay, but it leans on the fence. I want this thread to last a long time for educational purposes. If they find anything on this thread that is not okay, they will close the thread. And if you are especially egregious, you will be removed. Heed my warning. I have seen this with my own two eyes. Be nuanced. Your message will get through!
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
  • #47
  • Sep 24, 2016 5:57am Sep 24, 2016 5:57am
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} Mind you. You have to be careful. There was a thread like this a couple of years back that was not PC. No Jew stuff. No Anti-Gay stuff. Conspiracy stuff is okay. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRLPG_HplrA
Ahhh! So in other words they are watching us?
  • #48
  • Sep 24, 2016 5:58am Sep 24, 2016 5:58am
Quoting srt
{quote} I'll leave someone else waste their time voting :-) I'd vote for Trump only because it's the closest thing to anti-government we've seen in a while. Not the best candidate for sure but the other option is more of the same.


Couldn't have said better myself! My sentiments exactly!
  • #49
  • Sep 24, 2016 6:02am Sep 24, 2016 6:02am
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} Yes, democracy is indeed wonderful. But.....heed my warning. FF is a business. That video was okay, but it leans on the fence. I want this thread to last a long time for educational purposes. If they find anything on this thread that is not okay, they will close the thread. And if you are especially egregious, you will be removed. Heed my warning. I have seen this with my own two eyes. Be nuanced. Your message will get through!

Got it! That is good advice!
  • #50
  • Sep 24, 2016 6:02am Sep 24, 2016 6:02am
Quoting ThunderHeart
{quote} Ahhh! So in other words they are watching us?
How many CoC breaches have you had?

Quoting jmn5611
{quote} Yes, democracy is indeed wonderful. But.....heed my warning. FF is a business. That video was okay, but it leans on the fence. I want this thread to last a long time for educational purposes. If they find anything on this thread that is not okay, they will close the thread. And if you are especially egregious, you will be removed. Heed my warning. I have seen this with my own two eyes. Be nuanced. Your message will get through!
I'll try to be good.
  • #51
  • Sep 24, 2016 6:04am Sep 24, 2016 6:04am
Quoting jen101
{quote} How many CoC breaches have you had? {quote} I'll try to be good.

I don't know but quite a lot. I never counted! Actually I never told you this, but I got a personal message from one of the moderators. He actually was on my side and was pretty cool about things as he laid out what I could and couldn't say. You know me Jen, I haven't dropped too many f-bombs since then, have I?
  • #52
  • Sep 24, 2016 6:21am Sep 24, 2016 6:21am
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} Mind you. You have to be careful. There was a thread like this a couple of years back that was not PC. No Jew stuff. No Anti-Gay stuff. Conspiracy stuff is okay. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRLPG_HplrA

This video needs to go viral! Extremely compelling! Provocative! We are not in Kansas anymore!

Question:
1. Where does Trump, and the prospects of a Trump administration fit in this paradigm?

Oh and I can Tell you all kinds of stuff about Dick Cheney such as he orchestrated the Iraq war, to further the interests of Halliburton
  • #53
  • Sep 24, 2016 6:24am Sep 24, 2016 6:24am
Quoting jen101
{quote} How many CoC breaches have you had? {quote} I'll try to be good.
None, yet. But it is because I was in a thread like this and one of the members was from Palestine. Needless to say he posted some controversial stuff. So I know what the mods will allow and what they will not.
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
  • #54
  • Sep 24, 2016 6:26am Sep 24, 2016 6:26am
Quoting ThunderHeart
{quote} This video needs to go viral! Extremely compelling! Provocative! We are not in Kansas anymore! Question: 1. Where does Trump, and the prospects of a Trump administration fit in this paradigm? Oh and I can Tell you all kinds of stuff about Dick Cheney such as he orchestrated the Iraq war, to further the interests of Halliburton
My belief is that Trump caught everyone, even the elites, by surprise. I think he is surprised himself. That video is a compilation of about ten documentaries. If I have time, I will dig them all up.
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
  • #55
  • Sep 24, 2016 6:38am Sep 24, 2016 6:38am
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} My belief is that Trump caught everyone, even the elites, by surprise. I think he is surprised himself. That video is a compilation of about ten documentaries. If I have time, I will dig them all up.

I think I have seen some of them like "Fog of War, and The one from Alex Jones the "Age of deception", but I am not sure that is the correct title. That being said, this video in particular is short enough to fit for today's attention deficit disorder to get the message across effectively.

Also after watching this video my first thoughts is that Trump is an extremely brave man!
  • #56
  • Sep 24, 2016 8:03am Sep 24, 2016 8:03am
Quoting ThunderHeart
{quote} my first thoughts is that Trump is an extremely brave man!
Like Farage? Brexit was the culmination of his 15 year fight against the EU, virtually single-handedly for most of that time.

Gosh, I knew nothing of the same thing happening in the US, with regards to the Mexican and Canadian border! Echoes Juncker exactly! http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3752939/Borders-worst-invention-EU-chief-Jean-Claude-Juncker-widens-rift-European-leaders-calls-borders-opened.html

Tell me, are there plans for a US/ Mexican/ Canadian/ Cuban (and anybody else around there) army?
  • #57
  • Sep 24, 2016 9:46am Sep 24, 2016 9:46am
guy's what your opinions on Jeremy corbyn landslide victory I think the labour party is done for the foreseeable future and the UK is now a one party country and I do not think this is a good thing but labour are not fit for purpose dose anyone on here think this is a good thing?? does anyone one here like Jeremy corbyn??


also if Jeremy corbyn did become PM how do you think the country would look in 4 years???
  • #58
  • Sep 24, 2016 10:20am Sep 24, 2016 10:20am
Quoting Ross88
guy's what your opinions on Jeremy corbyn landslide victory I think the labour party is done for the foreseeable future and the UK is now a one party country and I do not think this is a good thing but labour are not fit for purpose dose anyone on here think this is a good thing?? does anyone one here like Jeremy corbyn?? also if Jeremy corbyn did become PM how do you think the country would look in 4 years???
That is actually the best news today! Until Labour changed their rules I would have joined, pay my £3 subscription and voted Corbyn. I'm sure a lot of those votes are from Tories. If Corbyn became PM................... we would be well and truly down the toilet, probably on par with a third world country. There will be mass immigration (buying votes, it's a Labour thing) of which the net contribution will be well negative; he will put up benefits, encouraging further welfare dependence and their breeding and most higher earners would leave. Corporation tax will go up too, banks will leave and London will no longer be the financial capital of the world. As our economy is based on the financial sector because we don't produce anything anymore, that will be the economy buggered.

Now, increasing spending, putting up taxes, whatever could go wrong? The top 3000 earners pay more tax than the bottom 9 million. Hmm, I wonder if those 3000 will hang around under Corbyn?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/tax/11233686/How-top-3000-earners-pay-more-tax-than-bottom-9-million.html
  • #59
  • Edited 10:55am Sep 24, 2016 10:33am | Edited 10:55am
Quoting jen101
{quote} I'm quite happy with the way things are here. We do have freedom of speech but not if it hurts others. As explained in this article I linked to earlier http://www.forexfactory.com/showthread.php?p=9157832#post9157832 in the UK, our laws regarding FOS are more fluid, meaning that Parliament can quickly pass something to deal with issues as they arise, say for instance terror incitement. With rigid laws, terrorists for example, are able to exploit them to their advantage and the authorities powerless to act. Another point to consider...
Jen01, finding the time - and hoping to make this brief.

I read you article, was particularly impressed by this section:
Quote
The fears that a tyrannical government will take over have been proven false in Britain, in particular. This leads one to consider that it isn't a set of laws but cultural values that guarantee freedom and no matter what the laws are in each nation, any society that thinks that a set of unbending laws will protect them from tyranny are greatly mistaken.


... It demonstrates the limits of law, that if you don't have a majority of people who are decent then no matter what rules you have governing your right in the here and now, they can be changed for nefarious purposes.

Regarding the rest of the article, it is a summary of the difference in the law in the UK and the USA, issues such as a more fluid law in the UK vs a more rigid one in the USA which I was largely aware of.

However it doesn't speak actually what specifically it means to be racist, and importantly how that differs from racism.

Very briefly (and this is only my opinion).

Being racist is a thought process, you may even express those thoughts verbally or in writing (as the guy who got prosecuted did). However there are undoubtedly a great many racists that have never actually discriminated based on race. How do you punish racist thoughts, or expression, and deal out justice which is fair unless you have the thought police? The worst that can happen if someone expresses a racist belief is that the other person gets offended, but materially and bodily it doesn't affect that person in the real world. There are plenty of racists in this world behind closed doors who express racist views and never get a fine. Note - incitement of violence is different from the above.

Racism however is an action of deliberate discrimination against a group based solely on their race. Here you are going out of way to materially disadvantage another group, this has real world repercussions on those who are at the other end of discrimination. Economic repercussions, loss of liberty or bodily harm are the outcome.

Being racist is a way of thinking, of thoughts and ideas. But racism is the deliberate discriminatory action against a particular group simply because of the race with material outcomes that disadvantage the person.

So in order to police racists you have to also police thought, it opens up the door for police to monitor your every action or spoken word, and it infringes on freedom of speech. We can see this in the case I posted above, people can now get arrested for offending other people by using words. I think that is worrying.

It is reasonable to question if the law has went to far. I'm very much of the Antonin Scalia school do thought, were you make sure that definitions in law are precise and comprehensive such that so there is no misinterpretation and unintended consequences.

With regards to racist ideas, thoughts or expression - they have to be permissible, because to police them you need the thought police, the trade off is people must accept that at times they will get offended. Is offending people enough to hand them out a fine or give them a criminal conviction - I don't believe so because I think it shits all over the concept of freedom of speech.

But I agree that racism should be illegal but as I have outlined above that is different from being a racist.

A person getting a fine, for some drunken deliberately inflammatory post online is too far. It is an afront to freedom of expression.
  • #60
  • Sep 24, 2016 10:51am Sep 24, 2016 10:51am
Quoting ThunderHeart
{quote} Hey Verv! Here is the smoking gun on Hillary's E-mail scandal. This has been recently composited in a timeline. Very interesting read. Tell me what you think! Oh the other interesting development that goes with this release, is the civil unrest that is currently happening in Charlotte NC, and the recent bombings in NY, NJ, and the stabbings in Minnesota, happening simultaneously when this story broke. A lot of people are saying George Sorros is behind creating the distractions. https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/09/22/day-4-the-stonetear-investigation-chairman-jason-chaffetz-sends-preservation-notice-to-reddit/#more-122054...

Thunder, be careful with zerohedge.
Allegations that they are a Russian disinformation operation at worst: http://streetwiseprofessor.com/?p=8947
Or at the very least sensationalist clink bait: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-04-29/unmasking-the-men-behind-zero-hedge-wall-street-s-renegade-blog

I have been seeing more about this e-mail scandal about the guy on reddit. My feeling is nobody goes around deleting the bosses e-mails without the boss first saying so, so I already believe the idea that they were acting on their own is sketchy. In any event, why remove something (even if it is personal) if you have nothing to hide.

My view is:
Hilary knew the rules
Hilary broke the rules
Hilary sent classified information
FBI caught wind of it
E-mails got deleted

They whole thing stinks.
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