The Rabbit Hole

They are concerned that some companies may have too much exposure to China, in the light of what looks a certain collapse.

As usual, the timing is unknown.

Also, Exodus, don't believe that we don't currently have censorship. Our press is censored. I found that out whilst watching a Japanese news channel in France. I learnt stuff about the war in Syria that I never heard at all here. I guess there's a lot more.

Well now, this thread might be worth something.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbYirSi08m4

Hey Jim, nice to see you!

Hey sweetie! nice home you have here. Thanks for letting me know about it. I'll be be rolling out for Miami tomorrow but I'll stop back as soon as I can.

Missing you!

Good of you to pop by, Chris! Happy travels and see you soon.

This is the most worrying thing I've seen today

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/watch-moment-web-troll-who-11918656

I understand people get annoyed when another person make a racist remark.

But people need to keep their eye on the bigger picture here, you can't police racist language without infringing on freedom of speech.

There is a trade off here. You either have freedom of speech and accept that some people will have repugnant views, or you don't have freedom of speech.

We simply do not have the ability to stamp out every evil without seriously infringing on liberty - at which point you are summoning something much worse.

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Thunder - I will reply to your posts over the weekend, busy and have not had time to give it a proper look

Racist remarks are illegal in the UK.

So it appears.

Do you think that is right?

Wiling to be convinced if you do.

I'm quite happy with the way things are here. We do have freedom of speech but not if it hurts others. As explained in this article I linked to earlier http://www.forexfactory.com/showthread.php?p=9157832#post9157832 in the UK, our laws regarding FOS are more fluid, meaning that Parliament can quickly pass something to deal with issues as they arise, say for instance terror incitement. With rigid laws, terrorists for example, are able to exploit them to their advantage and the authorities powerless to act.

Another point to consider is the other party's right to be free from abuse and harm. Who has the bigger right?

Will read later Jen

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Awesome!

Also not to mention that any word press site is also blocked. They have their own versions of skype in which they eaves drop on conversations on a regular basis. Twitter, facebook, YouTube, are all blocked, and any other sources of social media that is not approved by their ministry of commerce. Remember Google pulled out of China for these very same infringements. They call their censorship "The Golden Wall" a mechanism that blocks and monitors traffic coming and going in and out of China. Usually westerners working and living in China have to use a VPN in order to access sites outside of China, and have to continually update their incription protocols every week to keep it effective. I lived in China for almost 3 years, and was often frustrated with their internet when doing research for various businesses. It is slow, cumbersome, impedes progress and sometimes a project in which would take a few hours to complete, often will take several hours, or days depending on the project, tripling the amount of time invested. Not very efficient! Even the best VPN money can buy, gets challenged, although does improve the speed, but, it still sucks!

Also I have friends in the cyber intelligence community that I regularly stay in contact with, and they are always are telling me that China is the most frequented hacker all over the world, in trying to crack into National corporations, and research facilities in an attempt to steal intellectual property rights . Knowing how Chinese culture is, this doesn't surprise me one bit.

I was able to to read all the links you sent me regarding your constitution, Security, and Freedom of speech.

Security, such as Gun rights: I am starting to see from another perspective on how the anti gun argument that models the British approach seems to make sense. Having lived both in China and Singapore where this model is practiced, I feel I am safe walking down the street. Of course we Americans don't have such deterrents of corporal punishment such as caning or harsh jail sentences for offenses like assaults, robbery's, and other petty crimes that you rarely find in Singapore or China. Their version of justice is swift and to the point. But in America, it all depends on where you live or where you go in which one would feel unsafe. So the arguments made there are justified to a certain extent. I am a gun rights advocate, but I am trying to be fair in listening to the other side's argument on this issue. Anytime a anti Gun group or politicians like Obama start talking about addressing the issue of individual gun ownership, then most of the discourse unfairly leveled at responsible gun ownership (NRA) ends up having them to push back hard accusing them of trying to infringe upon their 2nd amendment rights. Our constitution was designed such as the 2nd amendment to prevent citizens from being taken over by a tyrannical government, and that citizens should be allowed to defend themselves. I guess in other words it is all part of the checks and balances in which our forefathers were trying to address.

Personally, more and more I see and appreciate anti gun advocates point of view that pertains to personal security, and living in a civil society. Usually this argument being made is by the left, and as we all know they have a nasty habit of not presenting their arguments with common sense or making a cogent intelligent case to address the issue, but more or less are frequently making arguments based on ideology, highly charged emotions, and hyperbole, added in with adhominen personal attacks. I think in their minds attacking Gun rights is a convenient expedient argument to justify their position, when in reality it does not address the real source or issues of violent crimes in America committed with guns.

Does Switzerland, Norway, Sweden, Austria, Iceland, Canada, just to name a few, who permit individual gun ownership have problems with Gun violence?

Also this is a well researched site that lists the actual facts about guns in America. In fact there is a statistic that lists the UK about underground manufacturers of guns.
http://www.gunfacts.info/gun-control-myths/crime-and-guns/

Also another interesting fact that is not getting talked about in MSM when it comes to mass shootings in America; Did you you know in the last 20+ years in which the suspects who committed mass shootings were found to be on some kind anti depressant medication? Why is this not being talked about or being addressed? The answer might be because most of the Pharmaceutical companies responsible for the sale of these drugs are primary donors to Politicians such as Hillary and Obama, and they are also an industry that spends the most on advertising to sell their drugs on MSM, through Television, radio, and publications. Then when I see all these current crimes such as Black Lives Matter protesting under a false narrative, and the riots where 70% of the people being arrested are not even residents of the area, raises a whole another issue with Cop shootings and the details that MSM is purposely omitting from the public.

Now this leads me into the Free speech argument. I really can't advocate censorship, but as you point out, there are limits to free speech in which in some cases can cause harm. In our version of free speech, we address this as such; an individual can not use Free speech to incite violence or insurrection. "one can not go into a crowed movie theater and yell "Fire" . As much as I think holding racist views is abhorrent and disgusting, making racist remarks to an individual should not be against the law, and this is where I am conflicted as I view British law in this context. Reason is, free speech in any form is an unalienable right. It is as natural as our need for water. On the other hand I see that in order to keep a more civil society peaceful, addressing this one issue by making it a crime can serve as a deterrent, thus as a society, is something that is practiced and ingrained on the socio consciousness level, where citizens are conditioned by this acceptance. So I see your point. Again, I reiterate that censorship of free speech is definitely a slippery slope.

On the differences on our constitutions

I now understand with more intimate study, how our two countries differ in terms of addressing issues to personal rights and freedoms as being democracies.
Such as violent offenders might hide behind the Bill of rights, or for that matter constitutional rights in which may appear rigid and unbending to accommodate the constant evolving nature of humans, or address a specific threat not yet covered, such as your constitution( which really you don't have one, but is made of different articles that is always subject to amendment, and the argument or case to be made that the UK is truly more of a democracy vs, the US holds validity) On this premise I have to agree, America is not a democracy as some or contrary to popular belief often like to state, We are a constitutional republic modeled after Rome. So yes, as much as I believe our constitution is one of the most important living documents in human history, it can be challenged on the merits you are suggesting.

Sorry for the typos, I am writing this without my glasses.:nerd:

Oh here is an interesting video of a woman fending off a home intrusion. Pretty crazy!

https://youtu.be/TxBcCSaBtXc

https://youtu.be/MDzsE5heUuA

Oh it gets better! Love this guy!

Lol, I take it you mean your current government?

Oh what a mess! Funny, but so true. This was a while ago here. Rather pathetic in comparison! I wonder if they're also anti-capitalists/ anarchists/ pro-EU etc?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3725777/The-key-players-Britain-s-Black-Lives-Matter-movement.html

Yes I saw that video of the woman shooting the intruders. She really didn't have much of a choice as they were armed - again what a bloody mess! I agree with you that a lot of shootings and violence are carried out by people with mental health issues. We have our fair share of nutters, but the difference is there is only limited damage they can do with a kitchen knife instead of a Kalashnikov.

This is just proof how far off the mark the EU is! Jo Cox was killed by a nutter! That guy gives me the creeps. I remember well Nigel's spats with him.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3804145/EU-chief-Martin-Schulz-blames-Jo-Cox-s-murder-nasty-referendum-campaign.html

Have you seen this?
http://map.norsecorp.com/#/
edit: I see a lot of US attacking the US...

No, EVERY government since I was old enough to know what they actually do.

Oh dear. So who will have your vote then?