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  • #5,041
  • Sep 6, 2016 3:29am Sep 6, 2016 3:29am
I tried mhunt antitrend last night (started around 15 GMT) on XM real with 43€ (two times remon's recommendation) and 0,01 lot. It hit the stop loss at 4 GMT this morning. Still at 32€, but it can die any moment, since it can't open any more positions.

Either I was unlucky, or mhunt antitrend needs significantly more balance than the normal one. 40€/0,01 (four times remons's recommendation) with mhunt normal was safe until now, but that could have been coincidence.

@keysharp:
It's rather time consuming to grap all the relevant information from those charts. Please give a short summary of the circumstances to make it easier for us to give feedback:

  1. broker (not visable in some screenshots)
  2. starting balance
  3. starting lot
  4. starting time, current time, total run time

  • #5,042
  • Sep 6, 2016 5:58am Sep 6, 2016 5:58am
Quoting fmaher
{quote} Thanks Remon. Please can you explain what is the difference between martingle pips and level distance in Normal version?
level distance if > 0 then it will work
if = 0 then martingle pips will work instead
  • #5,043
  • Sep 6, 2016 6:08am Sep 6, 2016 6:08am
Quoting Lazyjones
I tried mhunt antitrend last night (started around 15 GMT) on XM real with 43€ (two times remon's recommendation) and 0,01 lot. It hit the stop loss at 4 GMT this morning. Still at 32€, but it can die any moment, since it can't open any more positions. Either I was unlucky, or mhunt antitrend needs significantly more balance than the normal one. 40€/0,01 (four times remons's recommendation) with mhunt normal was safe until now, but that could have been coincidence. @keysharp: It's rather time consuming to grap all the relevant information from those...
it happens with me too and close trades with loss
still testing for best martingales pips steps
I returned to old steps lots as mHunt-normal
MartingalePips= 15,22,29,36,43,50,57,64,71,78,85,92,99,106,113,120,127,134,141,148,155,162,169,176,183,190,197,204,211,218,225,232,239,246,253,260,267,274,281,288,295,302,309,316,323,330,337,344,351,358,365,372,379,386,393,400,407,414,421,428,435,442,449,456
MartingaleLots= 1,1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,34,55,89,144,233,377,610,987,1597,2584,4181,6765,10946,17711,28657,46368,75025,121393,196418,317811,514229,832040,1346269,2178309,3524578,5702887,9227465,14930352,24157817,39088169,63245986,102334155,165580141,267914296
  • #5,044
  • Sep 6, 2016 6:24am Sep 6, 2016 6:24am
Hi,

I've started late on this thread so sorry for the probably dumb question.
What makes this EA different than any other martingail EA? So far from my testings I haven't been able to spot an edge, if it has already been answered, I would be very happy to get a referral to the post(s) describing it.



Thanks.
And no pun was intended, I'm trying to learn and understand.
  • #5,045
  • Sep 6, 2016 6:43am Sep 6, 2016 6:43am
the difference is in the way of open the Martingale level and when to open it, to can survive and make profits.
  • #5,046
  • Sep 6, 2016 11:28am Sep 6, 2016 11:28am
Fibonacci martingale lot size eh? it will grow rather fast. Suggest to repeat some numbers in between.
As for martingale pips, i suggest widening pip size rather than just difference of 7. The widening pip should go hand in hand with the martingale lot size.

Good that you've now included these two options. Now for users to find the right number sequence per pair....ATR could be a start to form your sequence per pair.

Nevertheless, high impact news will still be painful and heart stopping.
  • #5,047
  • Sep 6, 2016 3:27pm Sep 6, 2016 3:27pm
Quoting droadneggel
{quote} "Hello Remon, please add in the menu a variable for the martingale. So i can set this at 1.2 or 1.3 or 1.4 or 1.5 or 1.6 or 1.7 or 1.8 or 1.9 or 2.0 Its now very agressive and easily blows away small accounts." This one Remon and i also asked you in a normal mail to incorporate as an option a filter in m15/m30 for the trend with ema20 and ema100. If the fast ema is above the slow ema only long and if the fast ema is below the slow ema only short. Use closed M15/M30 candles to calculate the emas. If the direction changes the EA closes all...
The ema filter i suggested is not present as an option in the Remon_Hunt_V26-Normal-(5035) Mr Remon.
  • #5,048
  • Edited 9:17pm Sep 6, 2016 6:48pm | Edited 9:17pm
Quoting remon78eg
{quote} it happens with me too and close trades with loss still testing for best martingales pips steps I returned to old steps lots as mHunt-normal MartingalePips= 15,22,29,36,43,50,57,64,71,78,85,92,99,106,113,120,127,134,141,148,155,162,169,176,183,190,197,204,211,218,225,232,239,246,253,260,267,274,281,288,295,302,309,316,323,330,337,344,351,358,365,372,379,386,393,400,407,414,421,428,435,442,449,456 MartingaleLots= 1,1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,34,55,89,144,233,377,610,987,1597,2584,4181,6765,10946,17711,28657,46368,75025,121393,196418,317811,514229,832040,1346269,2178309,3524578,5702887,9227465,14930352,24157817,39088169,63245986,102334155,165580141,267914296...

What happens if we limit MartingleLots to 10 level, like: 1,1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,34. I tried to backtest but it fails to continue at some point.

My thought was EA will be able to open further deals but not bigger than 34x or will stop openning further deals until close all of them (x=initial lot size)
  • #5,049
  • Sep 6, 2016 6:59pm Sep 6, 2016 6:59pm
Ok, now I have a complaint. My balance in the two hours prior was about $356. Now it is $34. The survive came on. but when trades were closed new trades were opened up and when price went lower those were closed because low margin and it continued until I removed the EA. I think that when survive comes on then all additional trades need to stop. Otherwise one loses control of what is happening.
  • #5,050
  • Sep 7, 2016 12:31am Sep 7, 2016 12:31am
Quoting keysharp
Ok, now I have a complaint. My balance in the two hours prior was about $356. Now it is $34. The survive came on. but when trades were closed new trades were opened up and when price went lower those were closed because low margin and it continued until I removed the EA. I think that when survive comes on then all additional trades need to stop. Otherwise one loses control of what is happening.
Hi,

It's my experience, too. The survive opened two more trades and I had to close it down with a loss.
Also, the new version is opening trades too close to each other. I have the "levels distance" set to 10 (default) and as you can see the trades are less than that.

I switched off the EA for the time being, it's wiping the profits and I can't find good settings for it.
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  • #5,051
  • Edited 2:22am Sep 7, 2016 2:11am | Edited 2:22am
Wiping accounts.

Thats why i asked for an option in my Hunt _V26 in the menu to filter for only long or only short based on 2 emas in m15 or m30.
emaslow = 100
emafast = 20
emafast > emaslow only long
emafast < emafast only short
based on last closed candle
if the direction changes go to survive mode and after closing trade in the direction new trend

the menu should ask:
use_emas_filter = true/false
time_frame_in_minutes_ema_filter= 15 or 30
emafast = 20
emaslow=100

for now you have to do this manual if you like the idea

anyway these are the emas and timeframe to filter i prefer.
Remon could make is so that everybody can choose its own emas and timeframe to filter
  • #5,052
  • Sep 7, 2016 2:48am Sep 7, 2016 2:48am
Only on this forum you can find hundreds of EAs with MAs filter,
and all these 'wise guys' that use these robots are millionaires, ...such as Trump
perhaps my English is not perfect - but I know the Jungle
  • #5,053
  • Sep 7, 2016 3:35am Sep 7, 2016 3:35am
Quoting Reamasesa
{quote} Hi, It's my experience, too. The survive opened two more trades and I had to close it down with a loss. Also, the new version is opening trades too close to each other. I have the "levels distance" set to 10 (default) and as you can see the trades are less than that. I switched off the EA for the time being, it's wiping the profits and I can't find good settings for it. {image}
That's not how survive works. If it hits survive, it will attempt to close the trades at break even. However, to do so, it still needs to open more positions should the price move in the wrong direction. Otherwise, it would need a lot more pips in the right direction to reach break even. That's how martingale works.

We can't really see much in that picture. Show us the exact prices at which the positions opened, so we can judge if it was level 10 or something else. Also, keep in mind that slippage can affect this. Fast movements, high network letency or overstrained CPU (even with a good CPU, since MT4 is so old and unoptimized) will affect the price at position openings.

Lastly, your balance is too low. At a leverage of 1:417, even 400/0,01 would be considered aggressive. Additionally a few tips:

  1. Set a stop loss. Even with an insane balance, a long trend can wipe any martingale EA
  2. "Don't bet all your money on the same horse". Trade with more pairs and lower the survives and stop losses accordingly

Quoting keysharp
Ok, now I have a complaint. My balance in the two hours prior was about $356. Now it is $34. The survive came on. but when trades were closed new trades were opened up and when price went lower those were closed because low margin and it continued until I removed the EA. I think that when survive comes on then all additional trades need to stop. Otherwise one loses control of what is happening.
Do you mean that,

  1. even after it survived (closed all positions), it still opened another cycle (that would be a bug)?
  2. Or do you mean that it opened more positions in the same cycle after hitting survive (working as intended) and simply failed to survive due to low equity?

  • #5,054
  • Sep 7, 2016 3:36am Sep 7, 2016 3:36am
Quoting droadneggel
{quote} The ema filter i suggested is not present as an option in the Remon_Hunt_V26-Normal-(5035) Mr Remon.
I Use Another Filter Called FMH To Detect The Direction.
  • #5,055
  • Sep 7, 2016 3:39am Sep 7, 2016 3:39am
Quoting fmaher
{quote} What happens if we limit MartingleLots to 10 level, like: 1,1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,34. I tried to backtest but it fails to continue at some point. My thought was EA will be able to open further deals but not bigger than 34x or will stop openning further deals until close all of them (x=initial lot size)
In MartingalePips= 15,22,29,36,43,50,57,64,71,78,1000,1000,1000
Then It Will Open 10 Levels Only
  • #5,056
  • Edited 4:38am Sep 7, 2016 3:56am | Edited 4:38am
Yesterday It Was Bad Trend,
Maybe To All Of Us,

I Also Lose My Balance And This Lead To Make Another Change In The EA
Because I See Others Pairs Not Have This Trend
eur cad
eur aud
eur nzd
aud cad
nzd jpy
I See These Pairs Are Good Pairs In Trends
So, I Made Another mHunt Can Works With Few Pairs

Note: Not Support CHF,Gold,Silver,Oil Pairs
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  • #5,057
  • Sep 7, 2016 4:02am Sep 7, 2016 4:02am
Quoting Lazyjones
{quote}
Well, mine either opens new trades or not when it hits survive, nothing I can pin point to a "regular" behavior, sometimes it goes pips and pips with no new trades in survive, sometimes it opens two in fast sequence.

Next time something like this happens, I'll mark the prices. for the time being it goes on nicely on a demo account but not so nicely on my real account.


[EDIT]
I think it happened again, I might be reading this wrong, though.
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  • #5,058
  • Sep 7, 2016 4:31am Sep 7, 2016 4:31am
Quoting Reamasesa
{quote} Well, mine either opens new trades or not when it hits survive, nothing I can pin point to a "regular" behavior, sometimes it goes pips and pips with no new trades in survive, sometimes it opens two in fast sequence. Next time something like this happens, I'll mark the prices. for the time being it goes on nicely on a demo account but not so nicely on my real account. [EDIT] I think it happened again, I might be reading this wrong, though. {image}
Survive Button Not Prevent Opening New Trades!!

But It Just Close Trades At Zero Profits,

If You Want To Disable Any New Trades, Press Martingale Button To Disable It To Not Open New Trades.
  • #5,059
  • Sep 7, 2016 4:46am Sep 7, 2016 4:46am
Remon, please, can you explain how the 'Martingale pips' works,
because it seems that EA itself accounts 'some of its own' Pips,
and does not take those values what I type in settings.
perhaps my English is not perfect - but I know the Jungle
  • #5,060
  • Sep 7, 2016 4:51am Sep 7, 2016 4:51am
Quoting remon78eg
{quote} I Use Another Filter Called FMH To Detect The Direction.
So why did you answer my normal mail with "good idea",
as long as people buy your EA its OK huh,
but a wish as an option (i bought the EA) is not honoured.

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