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  • #3,601
  • Aug 19, 2016 5:24am Aug 19, 2016 5:24am
Quoting PipFlak
Duchyyy, What tf are you using for the exit ma?
Using same like entry H1 and about strength and bidratio, i'm currently trying to filter bad very sensitive entries...
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  • #3,602
  • Aug 19, 2016 5:35am Aug 19, 2016 5:35am
Quoting Duchyyy
{quote} Using same like entry H1 and about strength and bidratio, i'm currently trying to filter bad very sensitive entries...
Same here. I am using nonlag 21 no slopes on 4hr and 1hr but still getting some entries too close to bottom and top.
  • #3,603
  • Aug 19, 2016 5:56am Aug 19, 2016 5:56am
Quoting PipFlak
{quote} Same here. I am using nonlag 21 no slopes on 4hr and 1hr but still getting some entries too close to bottom and top.
Are you using Slope mode in signals?
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  • #3,604
  • Aug 19, 2016 6:04am Aug 19, 2016 6:04am
Quoting braintheboss
{quote} Are you using Slope mode in signals?
Nope it delays the entry too much and prevents me from getting to BE. Really just a plain nonlag 21 works well for me even on forex tester 2. The biggest problem is the extreme trades- some don't even move enough to get to BE.
Speaking of forex tester 2 ever think of porting your tools over to it? It can be used for multi timeframe testing supposedly.
  • #3,605
  • Aug 19, 2016 6:17am Aug 19, 2016 6:17am
Quoting PipFlak
{quote} Nope it delays the entry too much and prevents me from getting to BE. Really just a plain nonlag 21 works well for me even on forex tester 2. The biggest problem is the extreme trades- some don't even move enough to get to BE. Speaking of forex tester 2 ever think of porting your tools over to it? It can be used for multi timeframe testing supposedly.
Slope signals mode is for only send signal at first candle of slope changed. That don't delay anything and if you are using Trend in mix avoid the extremes problem with that tool. About MTF backtest analyzer is the base of future study version then i don't need port the tools to other platform. Only i need days have 96 hours
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  • #3,606
  • Edited 6:37am Aug 19, 2016 6:26am | Edited 6:37am
Quoting braintheboss
{quote} Slope signals mode is for only send signal at first candle of slope changed. That don't delay anything and if you are using Trend in mix avoid the extremes problem with that tool. About MTF backtest analyzer is the base of future study version then i don't need port the tools to other platform. Only i need days have 96 hours
I've tried slope before but I will try again on 1hr trend. You have a MTF backtest analyser that works on MTP 4? That would be sweet.
I'm not getting any signal at all on slope on anything.
  • #3,607
  • Aug 19, 2016 6:44am Aug 19, 2016 6:44am
I always said I want tools let my analyze market. And every time im adding more stuff for acomplish that. UI is important for have responsive tools. For that I'm spending time in new UI before add new features. But MTF analyzer really will be a signals analyzer inside DashTZ. I don't think i will add MTF study inside tools having DashTZ doing similar. My idea is every tool create data for DashTZ simulate trading like DashTrend analyzer. But in more complex way
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  • #3,608
  • Aug 19, 2016 6:48am Aug 19, 2016 6:48am
Quoting braintheboss
I always said I want tools let my analyze market. And every time im adding more stuff for acomplish that. UI is important for have responsive tools. For that I'm spending time in new UI before add new features. But MTF analyzer really will be a signals analyzer inside DashTZ. I don't think i will add MTF study inside tools having DashTZ doing similar. My idea is every tool create data for DashTZ simulate trading like DashTrend analyzer. But in more complex way
I just tried slope on v.50 and I get signals but not on beta. Weird. Maybe there just isn't a lot of movement right now.
  • #3,609
  • Aug 19, 2016 6:52am Aug 19, 2016 6:52am
Quoting PipFlak
{quote} I just tried slope on v.50 and I get signals but not on beta. Weird.
Because slope signals mode only send signal when new slope is done. When you load indicator lock current signal for avoid bad entries because indicator don't know if current slope will change soon. In old versions you have signals because it's buggy
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  • #3,610
  • Aug 19, 2016 6:59am Aug 19, 2016 6:59am
Quoting braintheboss
{quote} Because slope signals mode only send signal when new slope is done. When you load indicator lock current signal for avoid bad entries because indicator don't know if current slope will change soon. In old versions you have signals because it's buggy
Ok maybe that's why I didn't have luck with slope before- I tried it on older version. Yep just got a signal.
  • #3,611
  • Aug 19, 2016 7:10am Aug 19, 2016 7:10am
Quoting PipFlak
{quote} Ok maybe that's why I didn't have luck with slope before- I tried it on older version. Yep just got a signal.
New build works fine. I had many problems with signals lock. DashTrend is suffering same problem too. Fortunelly I share code between projects and next build will have new signals lock code
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  • #3,612
  • Aug 19, 2016 7:22am Aug 19, 2016 7:22am
Quoting braintheboss
{quote} New build works fine. I had many problems with signals lock. DashTrend is suffering same problem too. Fortunelly I share code between projects and next build will have new signals lock code
I think it is working. EAX took this trade when I had 1hr trend on cont which is obviously bad but now there is no slope signal. This is good test.
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  • #3,613
  • Aug 19, 2016 7:42am Aug 19, 2016 7:42am
Quoting PipFlak
{quote} I think it is working. EAX took this trade when I had 1hr trend on cont which is obviously bad but now there is no slope signal. This is good test. {image}
Yes. You will have first signal when slope go to blue. That mode guarantee you have entry in possible swing. Even is not sure slope change will be a swing at least reduce possibilities to get wrong trade by bad timing
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  • #3,614
  • Aug 19, 2016 3:03pm Aug 19, 2016 3:03pm
Quoting PipFlak
{quote} I think it is working. EAX took this trade when I had 1hr trend on cont which is obviously bad but now there is no slope signal. This is good test. {image}
I got a 1hr slope sell signal here. The only thing preventing a trade is a Hull 16 1hr strength set to strength which is still in buy.
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  • #3,615
  • Aug 19, 2016 3:26pm Aug 19, 2016 3:26pm
Quoting PipFlak
{quote} I got a 1hr slope sell signal here. The only thing preventing a trade is a Hull 16 1hr strength set to strength which is still in buy. {image}
Forgetting other filters you can use, taking your capture and that MA as only signal, that SELL entry is right, Even price go higher later ( and you have loss ), you got signal at first candle and that entry was earliest possible with that MA settngs. Its evident MAs need help to avoid that kind of false signals, like slopes or other indicators
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  • #3,616
  • Aug 19, 2016 3:30pm Aug 19, 2016 3:30pm
Quoting braintheboss
{quote} Forgetting other filters you can use, taking your capture and that MA as only signal, that SELL entry is right, Even price go higher later ( and you have loss ), you got signal at first candle and that entry was earliest possible with that MA settngs. Its evident MAs need help to avoid that kind of false signals, like slopes or other indicators {image}
Yeah exactly and it's tricky as hell to prevent it. Even if you have an I- regr filter you will still have to have some kind of release for breakouts. Is this even possible without algorithms?
  • #3,617
  • Aug 19, 2016 3:51pm Aug 19, 2016 3:51pm
Quoting PipFlak
{quote} Yeah exactly and it's tricky as hell to prevent it. Even if you have an I- regr filter you will still have to have some kind of release for breakouts. Is this even possible without algorithms?
You cant avoid all false signals then the best approach is you have small losses when happens. MAs do that but sometimes you have many bad trades in small area, Slopes reduce that problem adding small lag to good trades. But only way for avoid that small bad trades is using fast exits. MAs cant do that then options you have are:

1) Trailing
2) Bands

But even with this you always will have some losses. But really is not big problem with MAs. One good trade cover many bad trades
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  • #3,618
  • Edited 4:25pm Aug 19, 2016 3:53pm | Edited 4:25pm
Quoting braintheboss
{quote} You cant avoid all false signals then the best approach is you have small losses when happens. MAs do that but sometimes you have many bad trades in small area, Slopes reduce that problem adding small lag to good trades. But only way for avoid that small bad trades is using fast exits. MAs cant do that then options you have are: 1) Trailing 2) Bands But even with this you always will have some losses. But really is not big problem with MAs. One good trade cover many bad trades
You have a formidable task there Doc good luck! I am going to try universal trailer next week using Murysco method to use it on all charts. Are the other guys testing from start of Asian to end of London or what? Maybe I should do that so that I don't come in late into a trade?
Have a good weekend Thanks for all the help!
  • #3,619
  • Aug 19, 2016 4:36pm Aug 19, 2016 4:36pm
Quoting PipFlak
{quote} You have a formidable task there Doc good luck! I am going to try universal trailer next week using Murysco method to use it on all charts. Are the other guys testing from start of Asian to end of London or what? Maybe I should do that so that I don't come in late into a trade? Have a good weekend Thanks for all the help!
Husky and Duchy are testing different approaches searching solve some issues. But tools needs more improvements for fits better to their needs. But I think we are not far to have something enough stable
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  • #3,620
  • Edited 4:50pm Aug 20, 2016 4:13pm | Edited 4:50pm
hey duchyyy

for the Strength settings, do these MA settings apply to both **MA** and **Mode Strength** sections or just one of them?

also a couple of questions about the e-trailing, do you need to put it on just one chart or all the charts?

secondly would you mind to share your settings for the e-trailing EA

thanks

blam

Quoting Duchyyy
{quote} PIN4 is Strength with smaller trigger 10-100, MA type Laguerre with period 8,adaptative average , calculation base-quote, type trend PIN5 is BidRatio from Aeseme with default settings i use e-smart tralling and opposite Strength for exit Here is results from Analyzer: {file} {file} {image}
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