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  • #281
  • Jul 11, 2016 10:52am Jul 11, 2016 10:52am
Quoting itsallover
{quote} ,,,,, before I go,,, ,,,,there's a conundrum that maybe you could offer some assistance with ,,,seeing as you were so keen on the idea of a second referendum ,,,, There 's this obscure city,,,, I never knew it existed until the petition for a second referendum got traction,,,, this city has a population of 800 people and as far as I know is not part of the Uk. Yet,,,,, yet ,,,,,for some strange reason our petition for a second referendum was signed by 44,000 people from this city. I only ask because your profile says you are from the Vatican...

Im glad your ing, because its a fun story.
And it also shows the dangers of not checking ones facts. A problem I understand that has been already pointed out .

The answer to your conundrum is that the original petition site was set up by a student, William Oliver Healey, and English Democrat Party supporter and BREXITEER.
It was meant to protest an expected Remain outcome, with deliberate backdoors to allow the Brexit creators to manipulate and boost the figures.

When the outcome endorsed Brexit, some opportunist Remain supporters (of probably the same age and competence) publicized it to protest the Brexit vote.
And millions of genuine Remainers used it to register their petition, without realizing that it was (1) controlled by a Brexiteer, and (2.) designed to be interfered with.?

The brexeers who had the administration of the site used those rights to facilitate an exploit to discredit the petition by batch loading it with DELIBERATELY Rdiculous subscriptions. (Like the Vatican City ) They HAD to be ridiculous, in order for them to be immediately recognized as bogus, thus discrediting the real Remain subscribers, and "Regrets" that had been polled the site.
How are we doing @itsallover? Have you figured it out?

A Wonderfully half-arsed bit of Brexit dirty trickery. Which because of the 1 second attention span of the British public has apparently become an urban myth..LoL
Read the full story here.. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-petition-second-eu-referendum-latest-news-vote-leave-a7104076.html

And here is Mr Healeys facebook page..https://www.facebook.com/Oliver.Healey.English.Democrats/posts/1741575492720794
Unfortunately.. he seems to have taken it down..?? Now THAT does deserve a couple of dont you think?
  • #282
  • Edited 1:04pm Jul 11, 2016 12:50pm | Edited 1:04pm
Quoting Devauxt
{quote} My point is that the EU is no longer what it said on the tin back in 1975. It continues to accrue more power over the sovereign countries without reference to the electorate. That to me is invasion by political means. It is a Praemunire to subject Her Majestys Courts of law to the domination of a foreign court outside of Her Majestys control. Parliament may do many things but what it may not do is surrender any of its rights to govern unless we have been defeated in war. The Constitution confers treaty making powers only on the Sovereign...
@Devauxt..

What a wonderfully Batty response. Love it.

Praemunire...
A medieval legal device originating in the reign of Richard II - Statute of Praemunire 1393, passed for the purpose of putting restraint on the Papal usurpation of authority in England.. (and also to get him out of repaying a bunch of loans from foreign creditors LoL) Subsequently becoming a catch-all of subsequent numerous often loony measures (some still repealed ), and which as a body are among the most confused and confusing in English Law.

Eureka!!!!! .. THAT must be why the Brexit hackers who tried to scam the First Remain poll for a second referendum (see post 281 above) with their bogus subscriptions... listed their bogus residence as the Vatican!!!
Now THATS "Joining up the Dots"

@Devauxt?? You and @itsallover being working together on this behind my back??
  • #283
  • Jul 11, 2016 1:33pm Jul 11, 2016 1:33pm
Quoting cliffedwards
{quote} @Devauxt.. What a wonderfully Batty response. Love it. Praemunire... A medieval legal device originating in the reign of Richard II - Statute of Praemunire 1393, passed for the purpose of putting restraint on the Papal usurpation of authority in England.. (and also to get him out of repaying a bunch of loans from foreign creditors LoL) Subsequently becoming a catch-all of subsequent numerous often loony measures (some still repealed ), and which as a body are among the most confused and confusing in English Law. Eureka!!!!! .....
Just keeping the debate balanced
  • #284
  • Jul 11, 2016 3:04pm Jul 11, 2016 3:04pm
Quoting cliffedwards
{quote} Im glad your ing, because its a fun story. And it also shows the dangers of not checking ones facts. A problem I understand that has been already pointed out . The answer to your conundrum is that the original petition site was set up by a student, William Oliver Healey, and English Democrat Party supporter and BREXITEER. It was meant to protest an expected Remain outcome, with deliberate backdoors to allow the Brexit creators to manipulate and boost the figures. When the outcome endorsed Brexit, some opportunist Remain supporters...

,,, I love it ,,, we keep outsmarting our keyboard remainer warriors lol,,,, I don't even think they remember what it is about the EU that they really want.
Tell you something though ,,,EU is damn good at recruiting cheerleaders,, bullies,,,,,liars,,,,,, need I go on?
.... laughing all the way to the bank
  • #285
  • Jul 11, 2016 3:12pm Jul 11, 2016 3:12pm
Quoting cliffedwards
{quote} Im glad your ing, because its a fun story. And it also shows the dangers of not checking ones facts. A problem I understand that has been already pointed out . The answer to your conundrum is that the original petition site was set up by a student, William Oliver Healey, and English Democrat Party supporter and BREXITEER. It was meant to protest an expected Remain outcome, with deliberate backdoors to allow the Brexit creators to manipulate and boost the figures. When the outcome endorsed Brexit, some opportunist Remain supporters...
.... and I'm still taking it all in,,,, that we actually beat the establishment ,,,,after everything they threw at us,,,,,,, countless presidents all round the world telling us we must remain else WWIII,,,, the whole EU circus ,,,like twice daily sending us all manner of threats,,,,, all our tax money wasted sending us those
silly leaflets!!!!

It really does feel like I've woken up from a nightmare. If May doesn't deliver she's out the door come next election.
.... laughing all the way to the bank
  • #286
  • Jul 11, 2016 3:17pm Jul 11, 2016 3:17pm
Quoting cliffedwards
{quote} @Devauxt.. What a wonderfully Batty response. Love it. Praemunire... A medieval legal device originating in the reign of Richard II - Statute of Praemunire 1393, passed for the purpose of putting restraint on the Papal usurpation of authority in England.. (and also to get him out of repaying a bunch of loans from foreign creditors LoL) Subsequently becoming a catch-all of subsequent numerous often loony measures (some still repealed ), and which as a body are among the most confused and confusing in English Law. Eureka!!!!! .....

Yep.
We'll keep the politicians on their toes and actually make them earn their salaries instead of waiting for orders from Brussels.
.... laughing all the way to the bank
  • #287
  • Jul 12, 2016 6:37am Jul 12, 2016 6:37am
Quoting itsallover
{quote} Yep. We'll keep the politicians on their toes and actually make them earn their salaries instead of waiting for orders from Brussels.
You are incorrigible..


If anybody reading this wants to familiarize them selves with these "Orders from Brussels" Your shorthand for the 'Ordinary Legislative Procedure
who want to form their OWN opinions on the SERIOUS MISREPRESENTATION that the EU indulges
in the repeatedly alleged "UNDEMOCRATIC IMPOSITION OF REGULATIONS BY UNACCOUNTABLE BUREAUCRATS", needs to study this Link.

http://europa.eu/eu-law/decision-making/procedures/index_en.htm

1. This is the original and definitive source on the fact and reality of the democratic and consultative nature of process for formation of EU regulation..
And before some bright spark suggests its some version made up by EU bureaucrats, its the text that has been agreed by ALL members including the UK. to describe the process.
2. Its legal framework and authority derives from Treaty obligations freely entered into by 20+ sovereign democratically elected States that comprise the EU.
  • #288
  • Jul 12, 2016 6:50am Jul 12, 2016 6:50am
Quoting cliffedwards
{quote} You are incorrigible.. If anybody reading this wants to familiarize them selves with these "Orders from Brussels" Your shorthand for the 'Ordinary Legislative Procedure who want to form their OWN opinions on the SERIOUS MISREPRESENTATION that the EU indulges in the repeatedly alleged "UNDEMOCRATIC IMPOSITION OF REGULATIONS BY UNACCOUNTABLE BUREAUCRATS", needs to study this Link. http://europa.eu/eu-law/decision-making/procedures/index_en.htm 1. This is the original and definitive source on the fact and reality of the democratic and consultative...
Or indeed read this and get the a different view http://jessenorman.typepad.com/files/speech_on_the_eu_charter_and_ecj_smf_160516.pdf
  • #289
  • Jul 12, 2016 7:05am Jul 12, 2016 7:05am
Quoting itsallover
{quote} It really does feel like I've woken up from a nightmare.
Oh Hombre.. the nightmare is Just Beginning..

The reform of the EU is a problem.. but it pales in comparison with the reform of the UK political and constitutional system
which gives every sign of being completely out of control and fundamentally unfit for purpose.
And in that context I begin to see Brexit as not being about Europe, but a symptom of the more serious domestic malaise of a divided society.
We may have in May one big hope. Lets all hope she has the vision to go with her undoubted political competence.
  • #290
  • Edited 7:38am Jul 12, 2016 7:16am | Edited 7:38am
Quoting Devauxt
{quote} Or indeed read this and get the a different view http://jessenorman.typep... _on_the_eu_charter_and_ecj_smf_160516.pdf (http://jessenorman.typepad.com/files/speech_on_the_eu_charter_and_ecj_smf_160516.pdf)

REALLY Devauxt..
What sort of response is that?
Why do you insist on treating people like fools...

"Hey Guys, Dont read the book / watch the movie????
instead read MY cherry picked critics view??"
"Dont bother reading the Contract.. call my Lawyer and hell advise you for free???

Thats plain insulting to the readers intelligence..
Shame.
  • #291
  • Jul 12, 2016 7:22am Jul 12, 2016 7:22am
Quoting cliffedwards
{quote} You are incorrigible.. If anybody reading this wants to familiarize them selves with these "Orders from Brussels" Your shorthand for the 'Ordinary Legislative Procedure who want to form their OWN opinions on the SERIOUS MISREPRESENTATION that the EU indulges in the repeatedly alleged "UNDEMOCRATIC IMPOSITION OF REGULATIONS BY UNACCOUNTABLE BUREAUCRATS", needs to study this Link. http://europa.eu/eu-law/decision-making/procedures/index_en.htm 1. This is the original and definitive source on the fact and reality of the democratic and...

I do try
.... laughing all the way to the bank
  • #292
  • Jul 12, 2016 7:24am Jul 12, 2016 7:24am
Quoting itsallover
{quote} ,,, I love it ,,, we keep outsmarting our keyboard remainer warriors lol,,,, I don't even think they remember what it is about the EU that they really want. Tell you something though ,,,EU is damn good at recruiting cheerleaders,, bullies,,,,,liars,,,,,, need I go on?
WOAH!!

I find it revealing, (hopefully not of your character) , but certainly of your cause that you openly celebrate the use of dishonest dirty tricks of your fellow travellers
in pursuit of your case. And also combine that with namecalling abuse of those that disagree with you
No you dont need to "Go On".

I think youve already said enough.
  • #293
  • Jul 12, 2016 7:26am Jul 12, 2016 7:26am
Quoting bartlby37
Interesting listening on Radio 4 this morning "The philosopher Onora O'Neill criticises the standard of public debate on both sides of the European Union decision and asks how this democratic deficit can be repaired. " http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07l24cr#play

I listened to that yesterday and will be following the new episodes today. Thanx for the link bartlby37
.... laughing all the way to the bank
  • #294
  • Jul 12, 2016 7:33am Jul 12, 2016 7:33am
Quoting cliffedwards
{quote} WOAH!! I find it revealing, of both your character and cause that you openly celebrate the use of dishonest dirty tricks of your fellow travellers in pursuit of your case. And also combine that with namecalling abuse of those that disagree with you No you dont need to "Go On". I think youve already said enough.

,,oh come on!

I only ever resort to name calling when people think they have one over me,,,,, its ok if they do,,, but if they think they do,,, when in actual fact they don't then they deserve everything I can throw at them

I'm usually quite placid
.... laughing all the way to the bank
  • #295
  • Jul 12, 2016 7:37am Jul 12, 2016 7:37am
Quoting cliffedwards
{quote} REALLY Devauxt.. What sort of response is that? Why do you insist on treating people like fools... "Hey Guys, Dont read the book / watch the movie???? instead read MY cherry picked critics view??" "Dont bother reading the Contract.. call my Lawyer and hell advise you for free??? Thats plain insulting to the readers intelligence.. Shame.
No cliffedwards, it's the opposite. I assume that the people in here are for the most part intelligent and capable of forming their own views. The doc that I refer to is quiet long and for me to quote extracts from it, would not do it justice. The shameful bit is that you seem intent on dissuading people from reading the document. Why don't you let people read the document and for their own opinion?
  • #296
  • Jul 12, 2016 8:06am Jul 12, 2016 8:06am
Quoting cliffedwards
{quote} Oh Hombre.. the nightmare is Just Beginning.. The reform of the EU is a problem.. but it pales in comparison with the reform of the UK political and constitutional system which gives every sign of being completely out of control and fundamentally unfit for purpose. And in that context I begin to see Brexit as not being about Europe, but a symptom of the more serious domestic malaise of a divided society. We may have in May one big hope. Lets all hope she has the vision to go with her undoubted political competence.

,,,,and no I don't think the nightmare is beginning. It has already ended,,,,

For all our flaws, bad politicians,,,, they are ours and we can do something about it in a timescale that suits us . We can make our politics respond as closely as we can towards our needs.

Now,,, when it come to Brussels,,,, and the sheer wastage of funds ,,,exactly because they are not accountable to the electorate,,,, their hatred of democratic processes ,,,their one size fits all (27 countries ) policy,,,,,, give me our failed system any day.
.... laughing all the way to the bank
  • #297
  • Jul 12, 2016 8:32am Jul 12, 2016 8:32am
Quoting itsallover
{quote} Now,,, when it come to Brussels,,,, and the sheer wastage of funds ,,,exactly because they are not accountable to the electorate,,,, their hatred of democratic processes ,,,their one size fits all (27 countries ) policy,,,,,, give me our failed system any day.
Wash your mouth out You are going to upset cliffedwards with talk like that
  • #298
  • Jul 12, 2016 8:36am Jul 12, 2016 8:36am
Quoting Devauxt
{quote} No cliffedwards, it's the opposite. I assume that the people in here are for the most part intelligent and capable of forming their own views. The doc that I refer to is quiet long and for me to quote extracts from it, would not do it justice. The shameful bit is that you seem intent on dissuading people from reading the document. Why don't you let people read the document and for their own opinion?
What? to form their opinion, about an opinion?
With out consulting the facts for themselves?
What? they are too stupid to read the original and form their OWN OPINIONS?
WoW! that makes sense Sherlock?

I say again.. the facts are here..
http://europa.eu/eu-law/decision-making/procedures/index_en.htm

Read them and form your own opinion.
  • #299
  • Jul 12, 2016 8:40am Jul 12, 2016 8:40am
Quoting Devauxt
{quote} Wash your mouth out You are going to upset cliffedwards with talk like that
.... laughing all the way to the bank
  • #300
  • Jul 12, 2016 8:46am Jul 12, 2016 8:46am
Quoting Devauxt
{quote} Wash your mouth out You are going to upset cliffedwards with talk like that
Thank you @Devauxt..

He is "Doin' me Head in.. Bro"
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