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  • First Post: Aug 13, 2010 4:27pm Aug 13, 2010 4:27pm
  •  queenfx
  • | Joined May 2010 | Status: Member | 74 Posts
To all forex traders and currency investors!!!

Please voice your opinion on this bill. I am very concerned what's gonna happen to all of us as forex traders. Last 3 years I was studing day and night, every night trading London to become a successful forex trader to have a chance to follow footsteps of Dennis, Leipschitz, Buffet and my dream to make enough money for my family trading forex. I invested lots of time studing, lots of money for books, computers, trading systems and my education -who is going to refund all this if this bill will affect me directly as a trader? What about my future earnings?
I have read a post on fxstreet and it's very disturbing, here it is
http://www.fxstreet.com/education/ma...010-08-05.html
I called GFT, NFA and CFTC trying to find specific answers regarding leverage and forex account and account overseas for US citizens but no one gave me exact answers. I read through the bill myself but it's very difficult to understand for a regular person, please see bill here.
http://www.cftc.gov/ucm/groups/publi...rolledbill.pdf
PLEASE PLEASE if anyone knows how it's gonna affect me as a regular trader with no hundreds of thousands in the trading account let me know.
This bill was accepted by House, Senate and signed by the president.
phone numbers for
NFA (212) 608-8660 CFTC (202) 418-5430
Thank you for all your help!
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  • Aug 13, 2010 4:46pm Aug 13, 2010 4:46pm
  •  scottyfromau
  • | Joined Aug 2010 | Status: Member | 149 Posts
Seems more they're just tyring to regulate it and clear up the questionable market partisipants. I see no part in that that says you can't trade forex.
 
 
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  • Aug 13, 2010 4:59pm Aug 13, 2010 4:59pm
  •  medici
  • Joined Nov 2008 | Status: Member | 3,067 Posts
Hello queenfx, long time no see. Still keeping up the harmonic pattern trading? It's mainly been boring trend trading in my markets.

As to your concern, please take into account that journalists (including the fxstreet.com people) do what they can to arouse your emotions - that's how they get make themselves remembered and you come back for more.

Discounting that, it you read the legalities, it's about regulating the business which isn't a bad thing.

Another aspect of it is that they are trying to prevent the large hedge funds to take on too big (i.e. with too much leverage) bets that may rock or crash the financial system. Not a bad idea considering that fx is the market for big bets in the 2010's.

But I would be surprised if that means that you can't trade a $2k account to 1:100 leverage. But maybe someone knows more about that?
Homeruns and capital preservation.
 
 
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  • Aug 13, 2010 5:16pm Aug 13, 2010 5:16pm
  •  queenfx
  • | Joined May 2010 | Status: Member | 74 Posts
I just spoke to FXCMUK representative and he said that withing next 90 days if CFTC doesn'T make any exceptions to the bill they have a worst case scenario drafted by their attorneys:
a) LEVERAGE may go down depending on CFTC reqirements
b) they may not allow US citizens anymore
and WORST CASE SCENARIO they may FREEZE ALL US CITIZENS ACCOUNTS as of October 1st.
Here is the phone number I called (212) 897-7660

And he told me they will email all the clients with any new changes
Good luck!!!
 
 
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  • Aug 13, 2010 5:37pm Aug 13, 2010 5:37pm
  •  TradeRunner
  • | Joined Sep 2009 | Status: Member | 298 Posts
Quoting medici
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...it's about regulating the business which isn't a bad thing.
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What most people seem to fail to understand is that when a "regulator"
gets started regulating there is almost NEVER a sensible stopping point.

Further, they seldom seem to realize the unintended consequences of their actions.

Well.... I could go on but why bother. Let's bring on that 1 to 1 leverage and
see if you still say it "isn't a bad thing:.
 
 
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  • Aug 13, 2010 5:37pm Aug 13, 2010 5:37pm
  •  medici
  • Joined Nov 2008 | Status: Member | 3,067 Posts
Quoting queenfx
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I just spoke to FXCMUK representative and he said that withing next 90 days if CFTC doesn'T make any exceptions to the bill they have a worst case scenario drafted by their attorneys:
a) LEVERAGE may go down depending on CFTC reqirements
b) they may not allow US citizens anymore
and WORST CASE SCENARIO they may FREEZE ALL US CITIZENS ACCOUNTS as of October 1st.
Here is the phone number I called (212) 897-7660

And he told me they will email all the clients with any new changes
Good luck!!!
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FXCMUK? Are the CFTC calling the shots in the UK now?? I know that the Americans sometimes think that Britain is the 51st state, such as when they are calling UK politicians to Congressional hearings...But I thought the FSA regulated things here!?
Homeruns and capital preservation.
 
 
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  •  medici
  • Joined Nov 2008 | Status: Member | 3,067 Posts
Quoting TradeRunner
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What most people seem to fail to understand is that when a "regulator"
gets started regulating there is almost NEVER a sensible stopping point.


Further, they seldom seem to realize the unintended consequences of their actions.

Well.... I could go on but why bother. Let's bring on that 1 to 1 leverage and
see if you still say it "isn't a bad thing:.
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Don't know about that. The industry has usually got its way with things. Money talks, bullshit walks.

Further, the #1 priority for the Fed and the Treasury is to prop up the financial markets. As Greenspan said recently, that's the most important facor in keeping the recovery up.

So far Obama, Geithner, and Bernanke have supplied the banks with liquidity so that they can place leveraged bets in the stock market keeping the middle-class suburbanite calm about pension savings and investments - the point being that if they think through the unintended consequences, as you say, cutting leverage radically would be the safest way of causing a recession, not to mention a lost election next.

If that's what they wanted - to end the three decade old addiction to cheap money (supplied in order to keep the economy growing in bubble after bubble) - then why prop up the banks, why stimulate recovery with too much liquidity again (which has caused bubbles over and over again), and why not take the bull by the horns and accept high unemployment, economic stagnation in the name of saving our way out of the debt ridden situation?

So my hunch is that in the end money talks, and the speculation economy (yes, it's an addiction) is essential to continued growth, but maybe I'm wrong and the US is the new USSR?
Homeruns and capital preservation.
 
 
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  • Aug 13, 2010 6:12pm Aug 13, 2010 6:12pm
  •  eagle4x
  • | Joined Sep 2005 | Status: pip my ride | 629 Posts
Nothing to worry about according to this thread and add'l post from another thread:

http://www.forexfactory.com/showthre...99#post3922799

http://www.forexfactory.com/showpost...postcount=5678
 
 
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  • Aug 13, 2010 6:21pm Aug 13, 2010 6:21pm
  •  TradeRunner
  • | Joined Sep 2009 | Status: Member | 298 Posts
Quoting medici
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Don't know about that. The industry has usually got its way with things. Money talks, bullshit walks.

So my hunch is that in the end money talks, and the speculation economy (yes, it's an addiction) is essential to continued growth, but maybe I'm wrong and the US is the new USSR?
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The problem here is that you equate hedge funds, big banks and the like
with retail traders. Of course, the banks will get their way. That is what the "system" is designed for. The retail trader is left at the mercy of the political
environment.

The politicians will say "LOOK what we have done to protect the little person.
(which, in itself PISSES ME OFF").Anyway... courtesy of Taipan Daily:
consider this: this may keep you busy whilst I plan my "great escape"


Exposing the Hollow Men


by Justice Litle, Editorial Director, Taipan Publishing Group

Happy Friday the 13th. An inauspicious type of day, if you believe in that sort of thing. (Better not to, of course. They say it's bad luck to be superstitious.)
Ben Bernanke certainly had his share of bad luck this week. The carefully planned actions of the Federal Reserve - calibrated just so to walk that fine line between too accommodative and not enough - were thrown into a cocked hat by a barrage of ugly data points from around the world.
China slowing. Britain slowing. New sovereign debt jitters from Ireland. Japan sinking back into the muck. Perhaps worst of all, a U.S. trade deficit that clearly shows the "recovery" spinning its wheels.
What will the Federal Reserve do now? Should Bernanke and Co. react swiftly to the latest thumbs-down by Wall Street, or would that look like pandering? Has the timetable for full-blown "QE2" - shorthand for quantitative easing II, though it sounds rather like the name of a cruise ship - been sped up? Only the shadow knows.



Behold the Hollow Men
Speaking of the Fed and their ilk, my colleague Adam Lass calls them "the gray men."
In a slight twist on that idea, I think of them as "the hollow men," in keeping with T.S. Eliot's 1925 poem. Others have certainly made the comparison before yours truly - but that is because it fits so well:
We are the hollow men
We are the stuffed men
Leaning together
Headpiece filled with straw. Alas!
Our dried voices, when
We whisper together
Are quiet and meaningless
As wind in dry grass
Or rats' feet over broken glass
In our dry cellar
- "The Hollow Men," 1925
Quiet and meaningless whispers. Voices like wind in dry grass. Rats' feet on broken glass. Is this not an apt description of Washington from the perspective of the average American, the average small-business owner, for whom no help whatsoever has come?
Serving Their True Masters
William Greider is the author of Secrets of the Temple, one of the best books ever written on the Federal Reserve. He is also an active journalist.
One week ago - on Aug. 6, 2010 - Greider published a long piece in The Nation titled "The AIG Bailout Scandal." If you wish to read it, you can do so here. But if you are a long-time Taipan Daily reader, you don't have to read it, because Greider basically lays out the same allegations and conclusions we came to 16 months ago.
Via the findings of three government investigation panels - the Committee on Oversight and Reform, the Financial Crisis Inquiry Commission, and the Congressional Oversight Panel (COP) - Greider details, with a focus on the COP report specifically, a pattern of shady dealings and highly questionable intents Taipan Daily first clarified via "The AIG Connection - Far Worse Than You Think" back in April 2009.
The first paragraph of Greider's piece - late to the party though it is - is worth quoting:

The government's $182 billion bailout of insurance giant AIG should be seen as the Rosetta Stone for understanding the financial crisis and its costly aftermath. The story of American International Group explains the larger catastrophe not because this was the biggest corporate bailout in history but because AIG's collapse and subsequent rescue involved nearly all the critical elements, including delusion and deception. These financial dealings are monstrously complicated, but this account focuses on something mere mortals can understand - moral confusion in high places, and the failure of governing institutions to fulfill their obligations to the public.

Bingo. Whether or not one agrees that AIG is the hub of all deception, dirty dealings protruding from it like spokes, the truth of the matter is that the intent of the hollow men - their sense of "obligation to the public" - is nothing like conventional wisdom makes it out to be. Taipan Daily has been pounding that critical message home ever since the crisis began. It is good to see others picking up the thread.

A Century-Old Franchise
To wit, the hollow men are not here to serve you and me. They are not here for the good of the country, or the health of the financial system, or any other justification so sentimental and naïve. Their mission is singular - to serve their true masters. That's all.
When the creators of the Federal Reserve got together on Jekyll Island in the years leading up to 1913 - the year the Federal Reserve act was passed - they represented, by some estimates, a quarter of the world's wealth in just one room.
And while one can never know the deep-down personal influences of those men, it seems safe to say they were not motivated by pureness of heart.
In seeking to safeguard the financial workings of the U.S. economy, the plutocrat fathers of the Fed were likely as unsentimental in their aim as dairy farmers, hoping to secure a herd of cows for the productive value of the milk.
What grew out of Jekyll Island, then, was a sort of brilliant trick. Not only did the Federal Reserve insinuate itself into the very warp and woof of U.S. economic fabric, it did so in such a way that extraction became impossible over time.
And thus now we have to heed warnings of "systemic importance" when dealing with the too-big-to-fail financial institutions, because the warnings are more or less true. The Federal Reserve system was designed to aid and comfort the banks first and foremost. To ensure the permanent longevity of that arrangement, the major banks positioned themselves like a cancerous tumor embedded in the spine - too dangerous to cut out for fear of paralyzing the patient.
Walking Away
What can be done about the hollow men? Not a whole lot, unfortunately.
In addition to parasitic systemic importance, the whole edifice of self-dealing and deceit resides behind an opaque smoke screen of complexity (as William Greider notes). Many Americans struggle with the basic concept of balloon payments on a mortgage, let alone the mathematical hocus pocus used by Wall Street to cover up its tracks. And besides: Who can truly expect the public to keep watch, when they are too busy watching American Idol?
In another theme that has long run through these pages, your humble editor's solution is to focus on the small things, the personal things... to opt out of the system in as many ways as possible.
For yours truly that means no mortgage debt, no credit card debt and no auto loan debt. It means no financial accounts at major banking institutions, instead using independent brokerage houses, smaller local banks, and megabank alternatives like EverBank. It means a readiness to profit from systemic breakdown, via the shorting of exposed financial players and/or the purchase of silver and gold. And, in general, a habit of minimizing accidental patronage of the system to as great a degree as possible.
We may not be able to stop the hollow men. But we can recognize them for who and what they are, and we can walk away. And we can encourage others to do the same. Maybe with enough critical mass, fueled by crisis powerful enough to wake the man in the street from his slumber, there can one day be change.



 
 
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  •  medici
  • Joined Nov 2008 | Status: Member | 3,067 Posts
Quoting TradeRunner
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The problem here is that you equate hedge funds, big banks and the like
with retail traders. Of course, the banks will get their way. That is what the "system"...
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Haha! Thanks for interesting reading. We're on the same page then. Well, from a British perspective the American authorities' passion for saving the little man from himself seems to be in discord with being the home of the free and the brave, but what do we understand, after all?

Here we don't have such problems. Short-term spec on anything from house-price indices to equities to currencies with much higher leverage than offered in those markets has been available for decades through the brilliant idea of spread-betting. And profits are tax free! That may be an idea for your escape!
Homeruns and capital preservation.
 
 
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  • Aug 13, 2010 6:41pm Aug 13, 2010 6:41pm
  •  medici
  • Joined Nov 2008 | Status: Member | 3,067 Posts
Quoting eagle4x
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Nothing to worry about according to this thread and add'l post from another thread:

http://www.forexfactory.com/showthre...99#post3922799

http://www.forexfactory.com/showpost...postcount=5678
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Thanks, reassuring and makes sense.
Homeruns and capital preservation.
 
 
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  • Aug 13, 2010 6:57pm Aug 13, 2010 6:57pm
  •  TradeRunner
  • | Joined Sep 2009 | Status: Member | 298 Posts
Quoting medici
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Haha! American authorities' passion for saving the little man from himself seems to be in discord with being the home of the free and the brave, but what do we understand, after all?

And profits are tax free! That may be an idea for your escape!
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MANY, MANY CHEERS to that first paragraph. Couldn't have been better said. And here I have been taught all along that America sought freedom from the UK !! How times change.

Regards.. and I will look into that tax free situation.
 
 
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  • Aug 13, 2010 7:11pm Aug 13, 2010 7:11pm
  •  mfoste1
  • Joined Jun 2009 | Status: A slave to the tape | 4,390 Posts
Quoting eagle4x
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Nothing to worry about according to this thread and add'l post from another thread:

http://www.forexfactory.com/showthre...99#post3922799

http://www.forexfactory.com/showpost...postcount=5678
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I hope you're correct my friend ....................is there anyone else out there that can confirm eagle's post?
 
 
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  • Aug 17, 2010 3:40am Aug 17, 2010 3:40am
  •  queenfx
  • | Joined May 2010 | Status: Member | 74 Posts
Traders are you blind??? Don't you see what's going on with FOREX??? If you are in the states you may say bye-bye to it!!! Has anyone read the bill I posted or maybe everyone has millions in the account and that's why no worries?
READ THIS:
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  • Aug 17, 2010 5:07am Aug 17, 2010 5:07am
  •  medici
  • Joined Nov 2008 | Status: Member | 3,067 Posts
Quoting queenfx
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Traders are you blind??? Don't you see what's going on with FOREX??? If you are in the states you may say bye-bye to it!!! Has anyone read the bill I posted or maybe everyone has millions in the account and that's why no worries?
READ THIS:
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Well, the key words here are off-shore...
Homeruns and capital preservation.
 
 
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  • Aug 17, 2010 5:20am Aug 17, 2010 5:20am
  •  swingtraderf
  • | Joined May 2010 | Status: Member | 128 Posts
If the ban spot fx then why not trade futures, futures still have a leverage of about 30:1 and the mini size futures only require 2300 dollars of margin.
 
 
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  •  SparkyJP
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Take Action Today to Protect Our Industry

http://www.fxdc.org/takeaction.html
 
 
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