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  • #121
  • Jun 27, 2016 12:55pm Jun 27, 2016 12:55pm
Quoting thodie
{quote} thanks, but im no pro in coding, trading made me start coding. here is V6 (MFI entry, RSI exit) dd 4,87% profit factor 23,6! profit 54xx i think i stop here for now - small accounts with trailing and exit trigger, bigger accounts without trailing should be the way. {image}
sorry, but why this difference?
  • #122
  • Jun 27, 2016 3:03pm Jun 27, 2016 3:03pm
Quoting 21vs7
{quote} sorry, but why this difference?
based on dd figures.
just do it
  • #123
  • Jun 27, 2016 8:50pm Jun 27, 2016 8:50pm
Quoting 21vs7
Can you please show some insight on how would you do each on its own..

Here's a bit of an idea of my the logic I am talking about, and yeah...it is as much to do with entries as it is exits.

You can see that the EA has pre-set rules on trading the trend and when it will stop trading as well as when it will even pause on cost averaging.

Every red circle is a new cycle of trigger ranges and dynamic exits.
Every Yellow circle is an area that is defined as a No-Trade zone. Not counter, not trend...No fucking trades.

Near the end of the current chart and trades, you can see where trading started...trading was delayed...trading was resumed and profit taken.

There is 1 idea to start trading in trend.
There is 4 methodologies to trigger trades that include cost averaging and pyramiding.
There are some 5 methodologies for exits, including a stop loss.

This is an M1 chart and trades the range of the chart to the M1 indicator logic.

I just wrote this one this weekend...still haven't seen it fully perform, but should give you a rough idea.
The logic, is loosely defined -> HERE.
Trade Explorer -> HERE.
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  • #124
  • Jun 27, 2016 10:20pm Jun 27, 2016 10:20pm
Quoting Magix
{quote} Here's a bit of an idea of my the logic
nice one! Is there a exit condition if priceaction maintains above the long term MA?
just do it
  • #125
  • Jun 28, 2016 1:00am Jun 28, 2016 1:00am
Quoting Magix
{quote} Here's a bit of an idea of my the logic I am talking about, and yeah...it is as much to do with entries as it is exits. You can see that the EA has pre-set rules on trading the trend and when it will stop trading as well as when it will even pause on cost averaging. Every red circle is a new cycle of trigger ranges and dynamic exits. Every Yellow circle is an area that is defined as a No-Trade zone. Not counter, not trend...No fucking trades. Near the end of the current chart and trades, you can see where trading started...trading was delayed...trading...

EA description is my kind of study! hahahahaa nice ..who buys different pairs of socks?!

ok..I see.

I see you have a 28 pair strategy which interest me the most really..does that one work also on currency indexes? so you cant backtest that kind of strategy, only forward test it. How do you deal with this? backtesting multicurrency strategy?

Few y back I read a book " The Power of Now". A bit of sugary stuff in there but relatively good direction concerning what matters not only in trading etc.

parameters to stop trading
parameters to resume (when open position)
parameters of adding more (different entry rules)
parameters of exits (different entry/exit rules)
.....

Sounds like different coloured socks system in this washing machine!
  • #126
  • Jun 28, 2016 5:55am Jun 28, 2016 5:55am
Quoting thodie
{quote} nice one! Is there a exit condition if priceaction maintains above the long term MA?
Yes.

In an all out trend change, when there are trades left behind, it will resume trading throughout certain reversal criteria.

This may not lead to prosperity as much as it will lead to reduced market exposure and smaller loss.
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  • #127
  • Jun 28, 2016 6:06am Jun 28, 2016 6:06am
Quoting 21vs7
{quote} EA description is my kind of study! hahahahaa nice ..who buys different pairs of socks?! ok..I see. I see you have a 28 pair strategy which interest me the most really..does that one work also on currency indexes? so you cant backtest that kind of strategy, only forward test it. How do you deal with this? backtesting multicurrency strategy? Few y back I read a book " The Power of Now". A bit of sugary stuff in there but relatively good direction concerning what matters not only in trading etc. parameters to stop trading parameters to...

The 28 pairs in trade is working with the Falling Knives strategy.

28 pairs, just means that throughout the week it will analyze 28 pairs for trade and has days it will sit out market, by user select.

The Falling Knives is a trend trading EA, similar in nature to the Lost Sock, but the Lost Sock was created as an Alternate logic to Falling Knives.

During Non-High Impact News days and regular market, Falling Knives does very well. Having selected to turn off the trading days on all GBP and EUR crosses during the Brexit Referendum, allowed Falling Knives to prosper. It was one of the major news events that I don't believe any of my logic would have survived.
But
There are others, like NFP and FOMC, where turning off the pairs leaves open trades exposed by not having logic to continue.

Just because you stop trading for a day, doesn't necessarily mean that all of the trades from the day prior would be closed...so...I created an Alternate strategy to see if I could fill these gap days more effectively than just closing by regular logic. This is the first week in test, so I am not sure that I have done what I set out to do.

But the idea will be:
1. During non-high impact days - Trade Falling Knives Logic.
2. During High Impact News days - Have the option to trade Alternate Logic or
3. During High Impact News days - Have the option to sit out trades altogether.

Some days there will be benefits to both Stop Trading during the days, where as if there's a boat load of trades in play, having a logic that will look to Cost average a retrace based on confirmed reversal signs may help to buy back the losers to a point where the losses don't sting as much.

As this really is my first attempt at the alternate, it will take some time to test real time ranges, because backtest data is complete bullshit.

So...until I have confirmation, not much sense in milling these ideas. Need to see them trade out their independence and analyze in reverse.
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  • #128
  • Jun 28, 2016 6:10am Jun 28, 2016 6:10am
Quoting 21vs7
EA description is my kind of study! Sounds like different coloured socks system in this washing machine!

Lost Socks...looking at it like this.

There are only really 2 market cycles.
Washing and Drying...
Longs and Shorts...

There will be only 2 outcomes from trading the Lost Sock strategy...
Lost sock will disappear like it's mate - Trades will close in a mutual retrace area for loss.
Lost sock will find it's mate - Trades will close in a mutual retrace area for profit.

Either way, win or lose, the risk is reduced by limiting market exposure as well as profiting directionally in the event of trend changes.
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  • #129
  • Jun 28, 2016 8:43am Jun 28, 2016 8:43am
Quoting thodie
{quote} nice one! Is there a exit condition if priceaction maintains above the long term MA?

Okay...

So, here is an example of the Lost Sock in full Logic.

Red=Shorts
Yellow=No Trades
Green=Longs

From Left to right, you can see the shorts taken in short cycle as well as the yellow no trades taken. Fortunately, those trades closed in profit without the need for additional cost averaged positions.

A couple of shorts got taken, but then the EA read the trend change as long and started taking longs, while still holding a couple losing shorts.

During the Long cycle, there were a couple of opportunities where the logic started to read early reversals and opportunity to cost average the shorts, attempted a few trades until found the profit and exit strategy triggering.

The Lost Sock, was found!
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  • #130
  • Jun 28, 2016 9:20am Jun 28, 2016 9:20am
really nice!
i recognize the logic by the picture you posted earlier with EURJPY
just do it
  • #131
  • Jun 28, 2016 10:34am Jun 28, 2016 10:34am
Quoting thodie
really nice! i recognize the logic by the picture you posted earlier with EURJPY
This was to show what happens if a cycle goes from long to short.
Your question was:
Quoting thodie
Is there a exit condition if priceaction maintains above the long term MA?
This is just a visual representation of what happens if the trend has changed while still bagging previous trend trades.
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  • #132
  • Jun 28, 2016 8:22pm Jun 28, 2016 8:22pm
Hey Thodie...

If you and 21v are down...

Why don't we collaborate on a little project together?

Drop in a little code and we can wh00p this bitch up for shitz n gigglez!

Both of you know how to get a hold of me...
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  • #133
  • Jun 28, 2016 11:17pm Jun 28, 2016 11:17pm
Sure, i´m in no question.
just do it
  • #134
  • Jun 29, 2016 1:47am Jun 29, 2016 1:47am
Quoting thodie
Sure, im in no question.


Quoting Magix
Hey Thodie... If you and 21v are down... Why don't we collaborate on a little project together? Drop in a little code and we can wh00p this bitch up for shitz n gigglez! Both of you know how to get a hold of me...
i am definately up for it...i am searching for some group for years. have several EAs which have their own logic and if we decide to play with different scenarious probably we could be on to something.

but guys, I dont have programming skills - I can read the code a bit..but can not program it. All my EAs i bought programer to do the "hard" work!

if you reckon we can still move in the same direction I am definately your man.
  • #135
  • Jun 29, 2016 5:52am Jun 29, 2016 5:52am
Quoting thodie
Sure, im in no question.


Quoting 21vs7
but guys, I dont have programming skills - I can read the code a bit..but can not program it. All my EAs i bought programer to do the "hard" work! if you reckon we can still move in the same direction I am definately your man.
Dude, when it comes to this coding shit, I am basically a moron.

I started off working with a couple of coders for hire until what they were producing wasn't what I thought I was asking for. From there, I just made note of some of their changes and started reading and adding in bits n pieces of logic that I could understand from other pieces of open source code.

I've been working on these for a couple years now and can honestly say, that I am only a little bit smarter than when I first started. Any success that I've had with my EAs, is definitely not due to my ability to code, but has a lot more to do with the fact that I can read a chart...

Pick out an EA with your favorite options...with thodies help, I think we can probably fumble fuck through a little project.

Really, what is the worst thing that can happen?
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  • #136
  • Jun 29, 2016 7:22am Jun 29, 2016 7:22am
Quoting Magix
{quote} {quote} Dude, when it comes to this coding shit, I am basically a moron. I started off working with a couple of coders for hire until what they were producing wasn't what I thought I was asking for. From there, I just made note of some of their changes and started reading and adding in bits n pieces of logic that I could understand from other pieces of open source code. I've been working on these for a couple years now and can honestly say, that I am only a little bit smarter than when I first started. Any success that I've had...

yes, this disability is hampering my progress. have out of scope ideas but always fall into the inability to program shjit.

and yes...had min 3 projects that were not conducted as I imagined the logic.

worst thing?..its said that one shouldnt wish for something as it can become true.. cus it is hard to handle it when it does. I probably would disagree with this.
  • #137
  • Jun 29, 2016 9:01am Jun 29, 2016 9:01am
Quoting 21vs7
and yes...had min 3 projects that were not conducted as I imagined the logic.
This is the number 1 benefit of working with code, you get to understand methodology a lot better, FASTER!

I tried to be careful in my wording in saying that what was being produced "wasn't what I thought I was asking for", because after I learned a little about the code and learned to look forward on the chart instead of in reverse, my personal perspective changed greatly. This not only helped me with future projects but also lent itself to my personal trading.

A lot of what I try to do when coding, is watch how the market reacts to theoretical logic. In this, I will even manually test as I am working out the logic of the code.
When the 2 come together, it's as close to what I have imagined as possible and I can take the ideas from there and either modify or discard, depending on their success.

It's somewhat integral to gain a sense of the code, even if working with a coder. If their understanding of your logic isn't the same, you will always end up with a flawed project. Learning a little as you go...Great Benefits!
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  • #138
  • Jun 29, 2016 10:47am Jun 29, 2016 10:47am
Quoting Magix
{quote} This is the number 1 benefit of working with code, you get to understand methodology a lot better, FASTER! I tried to be careful in my wording in saying that what was being produced "wasn't what I thought I was asking for", because after I learned a little about the code and learned to look forward on the chart instead of in reverse, my personal perspective changed greatly. This not only helped me with future projects but also lent itself to my personal trading. A lot of what I try to do when coding, is watch how the market reacts to theoretical...
yes. spot on.

my early projects were 100% for programmers . Now, after lets say 15+ projects I can say that I know how the structure generally must look like and what were the problems in the past. And really lay it out to the guy the steps. Last few projects were done in Excel, so we had an easier task cus the calculations were done in two systems - excel and mq4 later on. So now I can somewhat see what I can expect from the guy...and we try to build it very user friendly..but yeah you never stop learning.
  • #139
  • Edited Jun 30, 2016 2:24am Jun 29, 2016 11:10am | Edited Jun 30, 2016 2:24am
Quoting Magix
{quote} This is the number 1 benefit of working with code, you get to understand methodology a lot better, FASTER!
Magix would you mind to enable private msg?
Quoting 21vs7
{quote} yes. spot on..
this is your version.

happy testing, any improvements, recommendations let me know. Dont need to tell you that trading algos contains risks
just do it
  • #140
  • Jun 29, 2016 11:17am Jun 29, 2016 11:17am
Here is the "official" Version!

it MAY and probably will contain some minor bugs, i suggest to test it on demo until you understand how it works and understand which variables
are worth to change.

Trading contains many risks, i´n not responsible if you loose money with this algo.

Any questions, recommendations, improvements let me/us know.

Have fun!
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