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  • #181
  • Jun 29, 2016 6:26am Jun 29, 2016 6:26am
Quoting theras2000
{quote} A quick recap of what has happened since the EU referendum 6 days ago. The UK economy dropped from being the 5th biggest in the world to the 6th biggest. The Pound crashed to a 31 year low after being at a 6 month high. $2 Trillion was wiped off world markets. There has been a reported increase of racial hate crimes in the UK of 57% The 3 main Credit Ratings Agencies have all cut the UKs credit rating. George Osborne reiterated that there would be tax rises and spending cuts to help balance the books. (This was labelled as scaremongering...
spot on,

all those that voted out and most for the reasons above should feel quite foolish in how they were fooled.
  • #182
  • Jun 29, 2016 6:31am Jun 29, 2016 6:31am
Quoting diceman555
{quote} spot on, all those that voted out and most for the reasons above should feel quite foolish in how they were fooled.
Let's see where the ftse goes over the next month or 2. People as usual, too quick to cast doubt. How often is the media right about the future of the economy? I would go so far as to say, Never.
  • #183
  • Edited 7:07am Jun 29, 2016 6:56am | Edited 7:07am
Quoting theras2000
{quote} Of sanity. The UK shouldn't lecture the rest of Europe on democracy when it has a totally undemocratic House of Lords. How Hypocritical!
You won't find any disagreement from me on that point. Our version of democracy is a bizarre one.

But I repeat - don't conflate the leave argument with one of racism and hate. That is a very slippery slope.
  • #184
  • Jun 29, 2016 7:01am Jun 29, 2016 7:01am
Quoting NaughtyPip
{quote} Let's see where the ftse goes over the next month or 2. People as usual, too quick to cast doubt. How often is the media right about the future of the economy? I would go so far as to say, Never.
forget the next 2 months,

within the next 1 month to 2 years, the uk economy will be measured very clearly,if you really believe that this exit is not going to have effect then i can only suggest you watch the forth comming releases of data and unemployment numbers ect,

my actual point in support of theras post was for the reason why a majority voted out there reason will be non existant
.the effect on this economy will now be a result of the negotions regarding the single market ,with those negotions the no voters will see there reason for voting out negotiated away, to secure the economy similar to somthing similar to what we originally had.

my point being ,the voters for out vote will not see any of there reason come to frutition .and everbody ends up worst off. so sombody got fooled
  • #185
  • Jun 29, 2016 7:38am Jun 29, 2016 7:38am
This whole campaign has been about as turgid as politics has ever got in this country. And seeing Farage yesterday issuing a masterclass in how not to negotiate with anyone, ever, was the most f8cking idiotic thing I've seen in years.

The leave group combined a motley bunch of those concerned about sovereignty, immigration and flat out racists. The remain combined a motley bunch of those concerned about social and economic stability, globalists and grand-standing snobs.

Now we're done, the leaves are all painted as racists (really?) and the remains all as bitter metropolitan out of touch luvvies (really?)

It's all bullshit.

The imminent unveiling of the EU superstate is why I believe most UK citizens will eventually agree we are better off out, while the short term economic pain should impress on any dilberts who don't understand the benefits of immigration that shutting the doors is isolationist death.

I expect we'll end up in the common market, maybe following a second referendum with full immigration flows but out the political union. If that happens, we'll look back and say it was painful, but worth it.
  • #186
  • Jun 29, 2016 8:10am Jun 29, 2016 8:10am
Quoting triphop
dilberts
Now that's an expression I haven't heard in a very long time
  • #187
  • Jun 29, 2016 8:51am Jun 29, 2016 8:51am
Quoting triphop
dilberts
  • #188
  • Jun 29, 2016 9:50am Jun 29, 2016 9:50am
Quoting simond2002
{quote} Now that's an expression I haven't heard in a very long time
I'm weaning myself off swearing. Down to three a day now.
  • #189
  • Jun 30, 2016 6:15am Jun 30, 2016 6:15am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYOqSW7VAsk
  • #190
  • Jun 30, 2016 7:16am Jun 30, 2016 7:16am
Arron Banks, UKIP's largest single donor, has now proposed harnessing Brexit support in a new political party. Banks was also behind the Leave.EU campaign for which he hired an American party and of which he said "“It was taking an American-style media approach,” said Banks. “What they said early on was ‘facts don’t work’ and that’s it. The remain campaign featured fact, fact, fact, fact, fact. It just doesn’t work. You have got to connect with people emotionally. "

The idea that we now have a political process in which emotionalism rather than facts are the driving force fills me with dread. It will leave our political process at the mercy of whichever vested interest has the best access to the best PR and marketing people. Its not a basis for sane decision making and I'm not sure it even deserves the word democracy.

Full article here:http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/29/leave-donor-plans-new-party-to-replace-ukip-without-farage
  • #191
  • Jun 30, 2016 8:14am Jun 30, 2016 8:14am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDDJeM5R4PM
  • #192
  • Jun 30, 2016 10:32am Jun 30, 2016 10:32am
Quoting bartlby37
Arron Banks, UKIP's largest single donor, has now proposed harnessing Brexit support in a new political party. Banks was also behind the Leave.EU campaign for which he hired an American party and of which he said "It was taking an American-style media approach, said Banks. What they said early on was facts dont work and thats it. The remain campaign featured fact, fact, fact, fact, fact. It just doesnt work. You have got to connect with people emotionally. " The idea that we now have a political process in which emotionalism rather than facts are...
Smart guy Banks.
Yep. We now live (in the jargon of social anthropologists.) in a Post-Factual society. (post-Factual Democracy is a contradiction in terms)

5 stages..

Stage 1 Parties envisage the type of society that they wish to see, devise policies to create that society based on evidence and argue the case even when unpopular.
Stage 2 Parties sacrifice aspects of their vision to create a more popular programme ditching unpopular policies.
Stage 3 Parties reduce their policy programs to slogans which at least pay lip service to their original vision.
Stage 4 Parties reduce their policy slogans to meaningless platitudes about fairness freedom, patriotism etc.
Stage 5 Parties make up any shit however inaccurate or offensive if they think it will help them win.
Where do you think we are on the scale after Brexit? LOL

In my innocence actually I started a thread back 6 weeks go to provide a forum for a rational non populist assessment of the risk/reward of the brexit decision.
You can imagine how successful that was.. LoL
  • #193
  • Jul 1, 2016 2:14am Jul 1, 2016 2:14am
Quoting cliffedwards
{quote} In my innocence actually I started a thread back 6 weeks go to provide a forum for a rational non populist assessment of the risk/reward of the brexit decision. You can imagine how successful that was.. LoL
You're obviously an optimist
  • #194
  • Jul 2, 2016 2:41pm Jul 2, 2016 2:41pm
Quoting RoelsMajor
{quote} Should I counter your argument politely? You are just an imbecile. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keumalahayati http://www.wisemuslimwomen.org/muslimwomen/bio/megawati_sukarnoputri/ http://www.wisemuslimwomen.org/muslimwomen/bio/benazir_bhutto/ http://www.wisemuslimwomen.org/muslimwomen/bio/queen_rania/ Should I add more (if U are Christian): Did you have ever read your holy book? Should I call Christianity is the religion of "LOVE" and "MERCY"? {quote} http://www.nobeliefs.com/DarkBible/darkbible7.htm#female-inferiority...

I discovered a while ago that it is a waste of time and words for such sociopat that thinks he ate all the smartness in this world but in reality cannot see bigger distance than the size of his nose.
PVSRA
  • #195
  • Jul 2, 2016 4:40pm Jul 2, 2016 4:40pm
Quoting Fisher755
{quote} I discovered a while ago that it is a waste of time and words for such sociopat that thinks he ate all the smartness in this world but in reality cannot see bigger distance than the size of his nose.
Isn't your forex guru TraderAtHome just now breaking even on the JPY positions that he shorted starting in December 2012 all the way to July 2015 thanks to the magical PVSRA ?
My guess, as a good student and PVSRA enthusiast (are you a paying member now? ) you probably are long from July 2015 ? ...

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  • #196
  • Jul 2, 2016 9:46pm Jul 2, 2016 9:46pm
Quoting Mingary
{quote} Isn't your forex guru TraderAtHome just now breaking even on the JPY positions that he shorted starting in December 2012 all the way to July 2015 thanks to the magical PVSRA ? My guess, as a good student and PVSRA enthusiast (are you a paying member now? ) you probably are long from July 2015 ? ... {image}
lol but it always comes back right?
All posts are my personal opinion
  • #197
  • Jul 3, 2016 2:31am Jul 3, 2016 2:31am
Quoting Rtm
{quote} lol but it always comes back right?
Indeed, this is the backbone of the PVSRA method (:
  • #198
  • Jul 3, 2016 3:11pm Jul 3, 2016 3:11pm
Quoting Fisher755
{quote} I discovered a while ago that it is a waste of time and words for such sociopath that thinks he ate all the smartness in this world but in reality cannot see bigger distance than the size of his nose.
Quoting Mingary
{quote} Indeed, this is the backbone of the PVSRA method (:
Hey guys? No offence but are these these posts in the right thread??
  • #199
  • Edited 4:33am Jul 5, 2016 2:29am | Edited 4:33am
This thread is a about consequences.
For most people the consequences of Brexit are vague, and will only become clear over time.
However it has come through to me that for some, the unbelievable stupidity of this decision, is having immediate serious consequences.
I have tried throughout to approach the Brexit issue dispassionately.
I no longer can.
I post this morning as a very angry man.
And in the coming days weeks and months I fully expect to become part of a very angry majority of UK citizens,
...those Bremainers that saw and appreciated the dangers and those Brexiteers that now increasingly realize the size of the Pup they were sold.


In the last week Ive had dozens of emails from friends and colleagues, British living in the EU (1.3 million) and EU citizens working and living in the UK.
(who represent 7% of the working population of the uK.. more productive and who percapita pay more tax than UK native citizens whose skills are essential in so may areas, including that sacred cow of UK social policy, the NHS, and whos contributions have been taken by the UK government and then NOT spent on the public services they need as residents... thus squeezing UK native citizens rights but very cleverly putting the blame on all those freeloading "Migrants".

What angers me, more than anything, is the fact that this vote has put in immediate jeopardy, the stability, future, lives and family's of 1.5 million UK citizens living in the EU and the nearly 3 million EU citizens in UK (7% of working UK population.)
These Lives that are now effectively hostage to "to negotiation of Brexit terms" ????
( see recent statements by May and Hammond)Ironically these matters do not effect me personally, happily because of the good grace of having dual nationality.

I read and listen every day to the Brexit mantras of people whos real understanding of either the operation of the EU, or the issues and the consequences of Brexit when put under any rational lens, turns out to be NIL. Ignorance of legislative process, Ignorance of operation of FMoL and Shenken issues that dont effect UK, ignorance of their debt to EU consumer, employment and Human rights laws, and on and on.

The true cost of the insanity of this "democratic" Brexit cluster-fkuc has been now belatedly appreciated by the twin judas goats (Farage and Boris) that led a very ignorant and rightly frustrated British electorate into this... with a toxic mix of lies, misrepresentation xenophobia and jingoism. Aided by a highly biased media that has for years colluded with the establishment, UK politicians and government to conduct a campaign to discredit everything EU, and excuse Westminster horrific betrayal of the British people. Their reluctance to take responsibility for the cluster-fkus they have created speaks for itself.
I laugh at the people who desperate for change have been taken in by the idea that Brexit was a blow against the establishment?
Its the biggest Establishment stitch-up in UK democratic history.

I am indeed a very angry man this morning.
  • #200
  • Jul 5, 2016 4:44am Jul 5, 2016 4:44am
Quoting cliffedwards
This thread is a about consequences. For most people the consequences of Brexit are vague, and will only become clear over time. However it has come through to me that for some, the unbelievable stupidity of this decision, is having immediate serious consequences. I have tried throughout to approach the Brexit issue dispassionately. I no longer can. I post this morning as a very angry man. And in the coming days weeks and months I fully expect to become part of a very angry majority of UK citizens, ...those Bremainers that saw and appreciated the...
Wholeheartedly agree
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