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  • #61
  • Edited 12:14pm Jun 26, 2016 9:41am | Edited 12:14pm
Quoting honestknave
{quote} I'm sorry but I don't know that information. I imagine figuring out the criteria for such an allocation would be difficult and complicated. If it helps, HMRC tax receipts for 2014-2015 show a geographical split of England (86.4%), Wales (3.4%), Scotland (8.1%), Northern Ireland (2.1%)... Source: https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/464199/HMRC_disaggregated_receipts_-_Methodology_Note.pdf#page=8
Thanks honestknave, this paints a clear picture, or as clear as it is possible. Who would have believed a few months ago, this could even be a topic?? Surely, a lot of people will be adding and subtracting numbers in the coming days to answer the myriad of questions that have come up. I have spent a lot of time in the UK, and have very dear friends and colleagues there (mostly in London/Manchester), I hope that whatever the UK decides as a whole works out in a positive way.

Regardless of how this story ends (it's the British people's choice and only theirs), the UK will still have the best fish and chips, best pubs, and best football in the world!!!
My best and most sincere wishes to the people of the UK during these strange times!!! And I hope we can still keep on trading in the future with our favorite UK FCA regulated brokers which is what I wanted to know in the first place!
  • #62
  • Edited 12:00pm Jun 26, 2016 11:28am | Edited 12:00pm
Quoting RoelsMajor
{quote} Should I counter your argument politely? You are just an imbecile. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keumalahayati http://www.wisemuslimwomen.org/muslimwomen/bio/megawati_sukarnoputri/ http://www.wisemuslimwomen.org/muslimwomen/bio/benazir_bhutto/ http://www.wisemuslimwomen.org/muslimwomen/bio/queen_rania/ Should I add more (if U are Christian): Did you have ever read your holy book? Should I call Christianity is the religion of "LOVE" and "MERCY"? {quote} http://www.nobeliefs.com/DarkBible/darkbible7.htm#female-inferiority...
I am an atheist.
I am a strong believer in the separation of church (or mosque, or temple or synagogue, etc ...) and state.
I don't care what crazy s&%t people believe in, just don't legislate it.
  • #63
  • Jun 26, 2016 11:55am Jun 26, 2016 11:55am
Quoting Mingary
{quote} I am an atheist. I am a strong believer in the separation of church (or mosque, or temple etc ...) and state.
Couldn't agree more Mingary. Organized religion is a very dangerous thing, especially when it is involved with governments....
I actually think that organized religion and its involvement in politics is the single biggest contributor to most of the worlds problems.
  • #64
  • Jun 26, 2016 12:10pm Jun 26, 2016 12:10pm
Quoting Sis.yphus
{quote} Couldn't agree more Mingary. Organized religion is a very dangerous thing, especially when it is involved with governments.... I actually think that organized religion and its involvement in politics is the single biggest contributor to most of the worlds problems.
Exactly..
  • #65
  • Jun 26, 2016 1:06pm Jun 26, 2016 1:06pm
Quoting meyoik
Have you guys seen this? It started yesterday, and now +165,000 and counting have signed for London's independence...!? https://www.change.org/p/sadiq-khan-declare-london-independent-from-the-uk-and-apply-to-join-the-eu Is this even possible??
Hi Meyoik, seen it signed it.
The chances of it success is miniscule but stranger things have happened.
Everything will be okay in the end. If it's not okay, it's not the end.
  • #66
  • Jun 26, 2016 1:16pm Jun 26, 2016 1:16pm
Quoting theras2000
{quote} Hi Meyoik, seen it signed it. The chances of it success is miniscule but stranger things have happened.
Hi theras2000, indeed anything can happen
  • #67
  • Jun 26, 2016 1:37pm Jun 26, 2016 1:37pm
Quoting itsallover
{quote} ,,,no it wouldn't meyoik. London would have to absorb all the costs of the EU which has in the past been shared between the whole union - Northern Ireland , Wales Scotland and England. And the entire costs are well over the net 10 billion Sterling that we actually spend annually on EU after factoring healthcare, housing and schools. Doesn't look that great now does it?
Come on ITSALLOVER do some homework.
If London remained in the EU and the rest of UK left, it would not be stuck with all the " entire costs". It would negotiate a new deal for the EU membership fee which would be much less than the current fee for all of the UK.
London is well placed to be able to afford this. London has approximately 13.% of the UK's population but creates about 22% of UK GDP (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_London). ie the UK needs London not the other way around.
Everything will be okay in the end. If it's not okay, it's not the end.
  • #68
  • Jun 26, 2016 2:23pm Jun 26, 2016 2:23pm
Quoting eurotrash
Even the leftist BBC understands the petition for a second referendum is nonsense: {quote}
What Iain Watson wrote might be technically correct but misses a major point.

The referendum was an advisory, non-binding referendum. There is nothing to stop parliament saying that this being such a momentous decision with possibly huge ramifications that a 2nd referendum is warranted. After all only 37.4% of eligible voters voted for Brexit.

As I mentioned in a previous post Farage is quoted as saying that if the vote was close and Remain win it is unfinished business and a 2nd referendum is warranted.

Brexiteers whinge that this would be un-democratic. On the contrary leaving the EU on a 37.4% vote is totally UN-DEMOCRATIC.

Do I think a 2nd referendum is likely. Unfortunately no. Most MPs supported Remain but as a group they are too spineless and gutless to put the United Kingdoms future ahead of their own political careers.
Everything will be okay in the end. If it's not okay, it's not the end.
  • #69
  • Jun 26, 2016 2:39pm Jun 26, 2016 2:39pm
Quoting Mingary
{quote} I am an atheist. I am a strong believer in the separation of church (or mosque, or temple or synagogue, etc ...) and state. I don't care what crazy s&%t people believe in, just don't legislate it.
I believe people should be free to believe what they want but not force it down the throat of others, you can believe the law of gravity does not exist and I wont force you not to jump off a cliff.

Just don't legislate what I have to wear, where or on which day I have to worship, What I can or cannot eat, and whether or not I cannot flip which side I choose to belong to.
Let it turn and find your entry.
  • #70
  • Jun 26, 2016 4:39pm Jun 26, 2016 4:39pm
Quoting theras2000
Brexiteers whinge that this would be un-democratic. On the contrary leaving the EU on a 37.4% vote is totally UN-DEMOCRATIC. Do I think a 2nd referendum is likely. Unfortunately no. Most MPs supported Remain but as a group they are too spineless and gutless to put the United Kingdoms future ahead of their own political careers.
There was a 72.2% voter turnout, and obviously those who didn't vote are intentionally getting no say, so no, it's not at all undemocratic. In fact a referendum is the most democratic way to decide things.

A valid argument is that it's not fair for such a slight majority to decide something as big as leaving the EU. Personally I agree that a "win" in the referendum should have been set at a higher percentage, not a simple majority, but the rules were the rules - presumably Cameron thought he might not get a large enough majority on the Remain side to introduce such a rule - and cannot be changed retrospectively by those unhappy with the outcome.

If MPs went against the referendum result, that would be completely undemocratic. What's the point of having a referendum if the politicians will just override the result if they don't like it?
  • #71
  • Jun 26, 2016 7:25pm Jun 26, 2016 7:25pm
".....After all only 37.4% of eligible voters voted for Brexit."

So looking at the results, there were even LESS people who give a shit about staying in Europe.

In recent local elections the councilor elected to represent the area where I live won even when over 70% of those eligible to vote did not vote for him. He certainly did not complain about the poor turn out. It is a very straight forward situation; you know the rules before the voting starts.

We have plenty of politicians but a vacuum of true leaders. Someone needs to quickly "grow a pair of balls" and command respect not just from polite colleagues but from everyone. That will help Great Britain and Europe.
  • #72
  • Jun 26, 2016 7:31pm Jun 26, 2016 7:31pm
Quoting Aspire
".....After all only 37.4% of eligible voters voted for Brexit." So looking at the results, there were even LESS people who give a shit about staying in Europe. In recent local elections the councilor elected to represent the area where I live won even when over 70% of those eligible to vote did not vote for him. He certainly did not complain about the poor turn out. It is a very straight forward situation; you know the rules before the voting starts. We have plenty of politicians but a vacuum of true leaders. Someone needs to quickly "grow a pair...
Put your name forward .
  • #73
  • Jun 26, 2016 7:58pm Jun 26, 2016 7:58pm


I'll give that a miss. I have a track record of upsetting people when I have been proven correct with my solitary opinion.
  • #74
  • Jun 26, 2016 8:04pm Jun 26, 2016 8:04pm
The Consequences , leee leeeezz da kraken .....




https://youtu.be/DSmXZfdP6io
  • #75
  • Jun 26, 2016 8:14pm Jun 26, 2016 8:14pm
Finally I found out what British people mean with freedom.They could not say that before but finally after Thursday they can say it and they do it.Well done B.J.(european Thrump).N.F. ect.
Bloody hell even new London major should go)).Last one just switch off light please.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/eu-referendum-brexit-immigration-immigrants-campaign-latest-baroness-warsi-a7104426.html
  • #76
  • Jun 26, 2016 8:55pm Jun 26, 2016 8:55pm
Quoting Aspire
I'll give that a miss. I have a track record of upsetting people when I have been proven correct with my solitary opinion.
Might be just what the country needs. piss off a few more .lol
  • #77
  • Edited 10:13pm Jun 26, 2016 9:30pm | Edited 10:13pm
Quoting Mingary
{quote} I am an atheist. I am a strong believer in the separation of church (or mosque, or temple or synagogue, etc ...) and state. I don't care what crazy s&%t people believe in, just don't legislate it.
Yeah what ever your preferences today, just don't be so Dumb! Good and Bad thing depend on perceptive reality.

There are two types of humans:
1. People who care about learning things and objective reality
2. People who dont give a shit about all that science craps.

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You are trying to use your education and logic to argue with #2 and you're completely missing the point that they dont speak your langguage, and moreover, they dont want to. You'll never win those people over. No matter how righteous and brilliant and peer-reviewed your arguments are. No matter how nice your chart and graphs. No matter how many footnotes you have. NEVER. You only chance is somehow improve our nations education system so their CHILDREN give a shit about that science craps. And good luck with that.
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  • #78
  • Jun 26, 2016 11:34pm Jun 26, 2016 11:34pm
Quoting eurotrash
{quote} There was a 72.2% voter turnout, and obviously those who didn't vote are intentionally getting no say, so no, it's not at all undemocratic. In fact a referendum is the most democratic way to decide things. A valid argument is that it's not fair for such a slight majority to decide something as big as leaving the EU. Personally I agree that a "win" in the referendum should have been set at a higher percentage, not a simple majority, but the rules were the rules - presumably Cameron thought he might not get a large enough majority on the Remain...
ya, agreed.majority percentage should be bigger
  • #79
  • Jun 27, 2016 1:34am Jun 27, 2016 1:34am
Quoting RoelsMajor
{quote} Yeah what ever your preferences today, just don't be so Dumb! Good and Bad thing depend on perceptive reality. There are two types of humans: 1. People who care about learning things and objective reality 2. People who dont give a shit about all that science craps. {quote}
At the very least your statements are contradicting each other.
And, I don't have the patience to comment on the absurdity of it.
Good luck believing the earth is flat... and other moronic "objective" reasoning.
  • #80
  • Jun 27, 2016 2:10am Jun 27, 2016 2:10am
Quoting theras2000
{quote} If anyone reading this is a UK citizen and voted Remain in yesterday's referendum please sign this (https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215) petition. Site appears to be down at the moment (because it is being overloaded) but keep trying.
My football team lost so we need a re-match until we get the right result! Really! I don't think you understand democracy.
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