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Hello Fellowers,

thanks remon for bringing it up. I am a pro martingaler (since two years ago). It is very easy to test how long your EA will last, which draw down it can stand and what profit per year on initial balance you REALLY can gain.

I will calculate later every detail, so you can see if it is worth to try this grid/martingale trading approach.
What I can tell you right away: The key is to get a higher probability to double your account before getting busted. That's all. I have a martingale system which works it has an RR of 3:1 on EUR/USD per Year on average BUT: If you get busted only one time you lose one complette RR (so one lost it is 2:1, never happened for years).

Again, the key is to gain profits faster than to get busted.
Every EA you test is completely worthless without knowing the key factor of total bust per year/per month/per week/per day if you test it. No matter what results you get (e.g. +100% in 5 Days is worthless if your bust rate is higher than 100% in 5 Days).

At the end, the crucial factor is always the Return on Capital. I can tell you that the barriers are very high due to the bust probability. Don't expect more gain than 30% per year by risking 10% per year. These figures are very good on an optimized, realistic martingale approach (grid could be slightly different).

There are better ways to earn money on stock market / forex market. But again, I will go in more detail later.
Quoting kef2138
I had an interesting experience today. I'm currently testing the EA on a 10k demo account with 0.1 lot. Everything went smooth until GBPJPY entered a strong downtrend in the afternoon. Suddenly I did not have enough money, as the used margin rose to more than 7K and the EA was trying to open positions with 3.4 lots. So be careful because sometimes even 10k is not enough. I don't know the principle on which the EA changes from buy trades to sell trades, but perhaps they could be tweaked to change earlier? Just a thought, I've absolutely no knowledge...
using 10k with 0.10 lot is like using 1k with 0.01 lot and it is danger if work all the day
and must leverage to be 1:888 or more, (available in micro accounts)
if 1:400 then need 20k instead of 10k , if 1:200 then need 40k, if 1:100 then need 80k to act as 10k (1:888)
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Quoting denya
Today results... {image} {image} {image}
Hi denya,

Please can you share your indicators ?
thanks
Attention from a (former) professional martingale trader:

Ok, Fellowers, here the facts (one calculation for you):

An easy grid-system without huge stop-loss (as I mentioned before if my SL gets hit I lose 1/3 of all year gains !)
under assumption of a drop
from:

EUR/USD

1,50000
to:
1,00000

you can assume follow stats:

Margin needed: 11360 Euro (highest invest: 568000 Euro)
Max. Lost: 124750*0,8 = 99800 Euro (max. Drawdown)
On invest of: 0,01 Lot per 10 pips (1000 Euro per 10 pips)
Gain: 14*1 Euro per day (average whipsaw on 10 pips) = 14 Euro * 310 days = 4340 Euro p.a.

Conclusion:
If you invest 111160 Euro, you earn 4340 Euro

Return per year:
3,9 % p.a.

Again:
Capital needed: 111160 Euro
Return: 4340 Euro
Probability to get busted for 5000 Pips (1,50-1,00 in one year): 0%
Return per year: 3,9% on capital (doesn't matter how much you invest, it is ALWAYS 3,9% per year).

My System is even more defense than the system from remon. My trades get closed immediately if 10 pips earn reached.
Remon's system only work better because of higher risk taken (e.g. close 4 positions on a gain of 40 pips, not before, if market turns losses are even bigger).

Fact 1:
You don't need a broker with margins like 800:1. 50:1 is sufficient. The max. loss is important for capital issue !
Fact 2:
You better care of max. Loss, that is 10 times higher than your margin needed for investing.
Fact 3:
Martingale/Grid Systems suffer in performance if you do not use huge stop-loss somewhere due to higher capital needed (see fact 2)

Sorry for desillusional facts but that's reality.

@denya: No matter what the EA produces, check the probability of your gains according to getting busted in the timeframe you made the gains.
EVERYTHING ELSE IS JUST WALKING IN THE FOG waiting for the wolve eating you alive.

You need to understand deeply the maximum Earn versus Bust versus Capital.

Huge stop losses boost your return on capital and lower your max. capital needed but lower your ProfitFactor on the system.

YOU YOURSELF have to test that VERY carefully and find the best way how it fits to the money you have.

Again: Expect max. 3 : 1 RR (means if you riks 1% of your capital you can gain 3% per year, means if you risk 10% of your capital you can gain 30% per year),
these figures 3:1 RR are based on knowing market you trade in very deeply (consolidation pips, avg. moves, open strength of traders etc.).

Realistic Ratios are 1,8 :1 RR for a trader not knowing the market very deeply.

Means:
You cannot gain more than 1,8% of risking 1% of your capital.

With renom's system these RR (1,8:1) is impossible or you risk rises for getting busted, sooner or later,

Please think about that what I wrote. You can do the maths on your own, nothing fancy about it.

In deeper Levels (Level 50 + ) the hedging mode which some guys here think is the holy grail, is useless, if you get sucked in deeper. It is the same at the end as just going long or short on one side.

Happy Trading !

Jack
I Want To Say

This EA May Be Risky And Also Much Profitable.

So, To Resolve This Equation, To Get Profits And Be Safe
We Have To Trade Only 1/5 Our Balance.
And Once We Double Our 1/5 Traded Balance We Have To Withdraw It Soon And Start Trade 1/5,

Example
Balance is 5000$
Trade Only 1000$
If We Lose Our 1000$, Deposit Another 1000$ And Restart Again.

When Reach 2000$ (from 1 week to 1 month) Withdraw 800$ And Start Again With 1200$

If We Double Our Balance It Will Be 5000$+1000$ (Profits) Total Of 6000$
6000$/5=1200$
So, Withdraw 800$ And Start Again With 1200$
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Quoting remon78eg
I Want To Say This EA May Be Risky And Also Much Profitable. So, To Resolve This Equation, To Get Profits And Be Safe We Have To Trade Only 1/5 Our Balance. And Once We Double Our 1/5 Traded Balance We Have To Withdraw It Soon And Start Trade 1/5, Example Balance is 5000$ Trade Only 1000$ If We Lose Our 1000$, Deposit Another 1000$ And Restart Again. When Reach 2000$ (from 1 week to 1 month) Withdraw 800$ And Start Again With 1200$ If We Double Our Balance It Will Be 5000$+1000$ (Profits) Total Of 6000$ 6000$/5=1200$ So, Withdraw 800$ And Start...
how do i set up this EA, i cant find the instructions?
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Thanks for that info jackinthebox. I agree sooner or later EA will blow your account even trading 25k on .01 lot is too much risk as you have shown us.

@Remon what do you mean trade only 1/5th of the balance? I don't see how it is possible to do this. you mean you only use 1/5 of the margin total? Is the current ea programmed to do this, and is there a stoploss programmed into it?
Hi Remon,
My micro a/c with XM still not activated. This broker has some problem in verifying my address despite all documents provided to them. I am old customer of XM, now seems they not bothered about customers!!!
Hi Remon, I'm trying the new EA in a mini demo account 100€ and 0,01 lots. Survive button works very good and closes fast the trades. I have to use it in trend , we are bearish and EA only buy. Can we choose to buy or to sell? Or not yet? Thank you!
If it's important to you, you'll find a way. If not, you'll find an excuse
Mhunt, today results ....
Today caput
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And I have question. See in the picture the EA working. The EA profit says -0,25 but my profit is -1,01 . It should be the same?
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If it's important to you, you'll find a way. If not, you'll find an excuse
Quoting Gemmafx
And I have question. See in the picture the EA working. The EA profit says -0,25 but my profit is -1,01 . It should be the same? {image}
left top profit will show delay ... nothing.
Everyone can find their HolyGrail
New Balance All Time Return: 46.8%
Quoting dustovshio
Thanks for that info jackinthebox. I agree sooner or later EA will blow your account even trading 25k on .01 lot is too much risk as you have shown us. @Remon what do you mean trade only 1/5th of the balance? I don't see how it is possible to do this. you mean you only use 1/5 of the margin total? Is the current ea programmed to do this, and is there a stoploss programmed into it?

Trade Only 1/5 Of The Balance By Opening Another Account (As A Bank/wallet Not For Trading)
And Let 4000$ In It (It Will Be Safe There)
And Only Trade 1000$ In The Trading Account
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Quoting radadiya
Hi Remon, My micro a/c with XM still not activated. This broker has some problem in verifying my address despite all documents provided to them. I am old customer of XM, now seems they not bothered about customers!!!
Adding Another Account Not Need To Verify It Again If You Already Verified User.
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Quoting Gemmafx
Hi Remon, I'm trying the new EA in a mini demo account 100€ and 0,01 lots. Survive button works very good and closes fast the trades. I have to use it in trend , we are bearish and EA only buy. Can we choose to buy or to sell? Or not yet? Thank you!
Yes, You Can Choose Buy Or Sell Or Auto , It Is Ready To Work.
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Quoting denya
Mhunt, today results .... Today caput {image} {image} {image}
Strange , I Will Check It Again.
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Quoting Gemmafx
And I have question. See in the picture the EA working. The EA profit says -0,25 but my profit is -1,01 . It should be the same? {image}
It Is Delayed To Not Close Trades In Fast Price (False Movement).
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ok, thank you!
If it's important to you, you'll find a way. If not, you'll find an excuse
http://www.forexfactory.com/showthre...10#post8962010

For Your Account Safety This Is Some Notes:

1. Don't Trade If You Feel That You May Lose Today.
2. Don't Trade If You Feel That You 100% Will Not Lose Today (Its A Bad Sign).
3. Don't Face The Trend, And If Happen, Quit At First Chance, (It May Be The Last Chance).
4. Stop Trading To Next Day If You Make Your Goal Profits .
5. Don't Trade Friday Night , It Is The Bad Trend Moments (Trend With No Retrace, And Gaps At Market Open).
6. Try To Trade Only The Slow Safe Hours (8:00 PM-5:00 AM GMT+00) To Have The Big Chance To Survive.
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