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  • #581
  • May 9, 2016 4:34am May 9, 2016 4:34am
Quoting Kunay9
{quote} could you please explain a little bit further what you mean when you talk about time?
That one is also simple. To avoid the grids, the mathematicians that stay behind the forex market software (it is a software with rules, if(s) and else(s)) are forced to create multiple grids. And the total number of grids, within day (any period of 24 hours), can and it is very close to: 1440 (M1) + 288 (M5) + 96 (M15) + 48 (M30) + 24 (H1) + 6 (H4) = 1,902 possible grids. This is just to confuse you a little bit. Obliviously, most of the traders are missing that moment.

The next very important thing is to determine what is trend and what is range. How do you do that? Range is about 80-85% of all time on the chart. Seriously outperforming the trend in the meaning of TIME.

What happens within a range?
It is a big party taking place. Stop Loss collection they call it. DD is called by the others who hedge THE WRONG WAY (with stop orders).

Do you know how many pips are within an average D1 candle on the pair you are trading?
I hope you do. Lets say GBPJPY has around 160 pips from top to bottom on a D1 candle.

Do you know how many pips there in the other candles?
I do doubt you are aware of that. Here is a little help, from a friend.
H4 has ~450 pips in a D1 160 pips candle.
H1 has ~1060 pips in a D1 160 pips candle.
M30 has ~1,350 pips in a D1 160 pips candle.
M15 has ~1,850 pips in a D1 160 pips candle.
M5 has ~3,150 pips in a D1 160 pips candle.
M1 has ~5,750 pips in a D1 160 pips candle.

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talking about strong trending market on some pairs, high spread or news trading with a grid?
Trending, does not exist, in reality. It is to TRICK YOUR EYES. It is a delusion. Ranging is the one and only market condition.

I do know you will say I am probably stupid and nuts. I agree, you will be absolutely right on that one! I have an IQ of 75 (below the average of 90) + I am aware I am probably stupid. But it takes a special kind of stupidness, to see what I am showing you here now. And the most of all, the road you are about to walk, I am just getting back from there. I wish you can find something different than the thousands who walked it already, but it is highly unlikely. Why? Because a lot smarter guys than me had been walking it and got the right conclusion. There are no winning grids. They did not know why there are no winning grids (long term). Picking 1 out of 1,900 possible is the reason, they were not consciously aware of.

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i also missed the grid correlation.. as far as i can tell you can consider all the trades you got open as part of the core logic of the grid so for me there is only one grid and its own way to deal trades running
The direction of the move, the tiny 160 D1 pips, which takes 5.5k pips on M1 to make, creates the correlation in between ALL the 1,900 REAL D1 grids created by the charts, within a day, and the exact moment of time, when the major part of these funny 160 D1 pips take place.

Time is the one and only single most important factor in forex. Everything is in a correlation with time. Think simple. Think that way. Disrespect timing and you are gone... All the best money management, all the best strategies will not be able to save your ass. And that moment of time will come closer than you had ever imagine it. Timing is everything...
Maadik Hugiis. IQ 69.
  • #582
  • May 9, 2016 4:48am May 9, 2016 4:48am
Hello Daniel,

I have an idea to improve the EA. Check the picture that I attached here and let me explain.

The EA works perfectly with retracements, but how we can avoid big killer trend? -

Well my idea is this:

The EA have great results when we have laterally period because EA close Buys and Sells when 100 pips are reached and we have some kind of wave, for example price go up....close first all the buys...retracement going down...then close all the sells....retracement up...again close all the buys and maybe you reach your target.

What if the EA detects two or three consecutives close of trades groups? like this:

for example price go up close first all the buys...retracement going down...then close all the sells.... price going down more no retracement...again close all the new Sells...price going down more no retracement...EA close again the new sell trades.

My suggestion is, when EA detects this consecutives group closes maybe he can use the profit (only profit no capital) of the consecutives closes to close the most lossing trades and reduce the DD.

Tell me if you understand my idea, english is not my first language.

Cheers.
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  • #583
  • May 9, 2016 5:04am May 9, 2016 5:04am
Quoting timmy
Hi Yonnie, Some answers for your points: - "I have my own gridding system, but yours works better in tight ranging conditions. did a test on AUD/NZD and NZD/USD and have a few questions........ for the 1 month period 19/3 - 18/4 2015 NZD/USD the best results were for a 70 pip grid. is that about the grid size you would use?" Yes this is a good number for those pairs. But over time as the daily ATR changes you can increase the grid step with it - this too can be built into the EA. - "macro range relative to the daily volatility: don't understand...
hi timmy, just want to let you know one more person is interested on your thought. have been trying hard to figure out how the "dual system" could remove the toxic trades. In order to fully understand what you say, I use below example:


Assuming grid is 5pip
1.1000 Open 2 Sell
(Price goes down 5pip)
1.0095 Closed 1 Sell, Move 1 Sell to BE
(price goes up 5pip)
1.1000 Open 2 Buy (Note: 1 sell @ BE, will automatic closed @ BE)
(price then goes down)

Am interested to know how the Dual system, remove the 2 Buy toxic?
  • #584
  • May 9, 2016 5:10am May 9, 2016 5:10am
Quoting MoneyZilla
{quote} That one is also simple. To avoid the grids, the mathematicians that stay behind the forex market software (it is a software with rules, if(s) and else(s)) are forced to create multiple grids. And the total number of grids, within day (any period of 24 hours), can and it is very close to: 1440 (M1) + 288 (M5) + 96 (M15) + 48 (M30) + 24 (H1) + 6 (H4) = 1,902 possible grids. This is just to confuse you a little bit.
ahahaha i like you you use a divergent thinking process, outside of the box and it is very important in forex to think what others don't

anyway i'm well aware of the concept of ATR and every strategy should be based on that parameter ( not sure you were referring at that )

you are never gonna see me trading an half pip grid like some guys do on Remon thread HAHA

anyway if i guess right you are saying that a grid works only if you can get the lucky entry point where the grid its gonna later build up around it

yeah perhaps its true but it is a parameter out of control.. i'm aware than for a few pips i could miss a partial close that later could bring to blow up the account

but i believe that changing the entry point its not so important if you use the right money managment and low risk profile

i mean, if missing a partial close in profit could save my life i'm probably trading a too tight grid.. in fact my goal and our goal its to find setting that works months after months, just avoiding high impact news periods...

anyway, gonna prove you wrong this time buddy ehehe

get ready cause i'm ready to improve this thing onto a monster capable to survive in the worst and most avverse condition.. be sure of it eheheh
  • #585
  • May 9, 2016 5:21am May 9, 2016 5:21am
Quoting MoneyZilla
{quote} Do not worry E, they have not find anything special anyway. Do not want to spoil the loving party here, but my experience tells me it is IMPOSSIBLE to have a grid based winning strategy. Just look all around you. Where are these magical grid winners? Surely for 10+ yrs of grid trading already, there should be some, at least... The grid conception is absolutely stupid, cause the rate does not move ONLY based on a grid, but TIMING also plays very important role here. And it does create a grid over grid over grid over grid, ext. Multiple grids...

If I remember correctly, 4xpipaholic has been using a grid-based system for years profitably now. He is on this forum aswell (High-impact member). I don't know which system he uses though, since it was just something I read casually while browsing through the forums.
  • #586
  • May 9, 2016 5:26am May 9, 2016 5:26am
Quoting Kunay9
{quote} ahahaha i like you
Likewise, Kunay9!

I do know how your system works and to be honest you have my credit for that. One way to improve it substantially is to face the hedged trades against each other, rather than position them from their backs. It is not so big improvement, cause it is in a grid... but that will have some positive impact and it is always better to face-to-face the hedged trades rather than to back-to-back them instead.
Maadik Hugiis. IQ 69.
  • #587
  • May 9, 2016 5:43am May 9, 2016 5:43am
I have been testing piggy v4 from 14th of April. Results and set file attached. Quite impressive if one is willing to be patient during draw down phase.
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  • #588
  • May 9, 2016 5:48am May 9, 2016 5:48am
Quoting shiva
I have been testing piggy v4 from 14th of April. Results and set file attached. Quite impressive if one is willing to be patient during draw down phase. {image} {file}
Hello shiva,

You leave 24hrs/5 days the piggy working?

and the .Set file is the same for GBPJPY and USDJPY?
  • #589
  • May 9, 2016 5:51am May 9, 2016 5:51am
After 11 days account 2 gave up. I planned to reduce the equity profit percentage but I forgot because I broke my leg so was more interested on my health.

Anyway my conclusion is equity profit with small percentage will be profitable for this system. Others using 2% will still have chance to get out of toxic trades. I will stop posting for a while but will follow the thread closely.

Cheers guys.
  • #590
  • May 9, 2016 5:53am May 9, 2016 5:53am
Quoting Invermac
{quote} Hello shiva, You leave 24hrs/5 days the piggy working? and the .Set file is the same for GBPJPY and USDJPY?
Hi Invermac, yes, 24/5 and same set file. You'll see some lot sizes were inconsistent, that was because to start with I fiddled around a bit with that.
  • #591
  • Edited 6:09am May 9, 2016 5:57am | Edited 6:09am
Quoting tundex
After 11 days account 2 gave up. I planned to reduce the equity profit percentage but I forgot because I broke my leg so was more interested on my health. Anyway my conclusion is equity profit with small percentage will be profitable for this system. Others using 2% will still have chance to get out of toxic trades. I will stop posting for a while but will follow the thread closely. Cheers guys.
Hello Tundex,

My account loss so much today too, not broke but this 2% today not reached, let's see if anybody can improve the EA. Take care of your leg friend.
  • #592
  • May 9, 2016 5:58am May 9, 2016 5:58am
Quoting shiva
{quote} Hi Invermac, yes, 24/5 and same set file. You'll see some lot sizes were inconsistent, that was because to start with I fiddled around a bit with that.

Ok I will follow your settings, looks very interesting like you say, just have a little patient.
  • #593
  • May 9, 2016 6:31am May 9, 2016 6:31am
Quoting jarek455
I put this ea on experts, scripts and indicators- nothing work. what is going wrong?
Without seeing screenshots of your chart and EA settings, I am guessing that you did not hit a round number according to your settings to have a trade open.
  • #594
  • May 9, 2016 6:32am May 9, 2016 6:32am
Quoting happytrade38
i am the fan of the grid EA trading too. Have been reading the thread over the weekend, drop by to say well done!! going to try the v4.2 now.
Welcome !
  • #595
  • May 9, 2016 6:34am May 9, 2016 6:34am
Quoting Invermac
{quote} Great, can't wait to test your new EA. Is the EA that you make with semafor?
Yes, it is the one using the 3 Level ZZ Semafor but it will be the version without the Stream ZZ indicator. I believe this will be much better, I just need to tidy up a few things before I post it to FF in my other thread.
  • #596
  • May 9, 2016 6:43am May 9, 2016 6:43am
Quoting happytrade38
{quote} hi daniel, if i am running in vps (which desktop time is different from broker server time), how do i select LocalTime or server time? and what will happen if it pass the end time and there is still active trades? how's the EA react?
You simply need to type in the box "server" or "local" whichever one you wish to use.

As far as time passing? I am not 100% sure because I have not used the function but I believe it will stop functioning in all manners. No new trades will be opened and currently opened positions will just run without having a TP. Although I am not 100% sure, I don't think it will manage its last trades open.
  • #597
  • May 9, 2016 6:59am May 9, 2016 6:59am
Quoting Invermac
Hello Daniel, I have an idea to improve the EA. Check the picture that I attached here and let me explain. The EA works perfectly with retracements, but how we can avoid big killer trend? - Well my idea is this: The EA have great results when we have laterally period because EA close Buys and Sells when 100 pips are reached and we have some kind of wave, for example price go up....close first all the buys...retracement going down...then close all the sells....retracement up...again close all the buys and maybe you reach your target. What if the...

I think I understand what you are saying. There is a difficulty in the programming of getting the EA to have sells manage buys and buys manage sells when the existing structure does what it is doing. I so would like to get this EA to be able to change modes according to conditions and am unsure how I am going to do it. I think I have lost a little bit of focus on the improvement of this EA due to my work on the 2nd EA I am developing. I will try to dedicate some time and see if I can do something about this. I think what you are suggesting is possible, it just might take a bit of time. I am not sure...

Thanks for this input!

Daniel
  • #598
  • May 9, 2016 7:03am May 9, 2016 7:03am
Quoting happytrade38
{quote} hi timmy, just want to let you know one more person is interested on your thought. have been trying hard to figure out how the "dual system" could remove the toxic trades. In order to fully understand what you say, I use below example: Assuming grid is 5pip 1.1000 Open 2 Sell (Price goes down 5pip) 1.0095 Closed 1 Sell, Move 1 Sell to BE (price goes up 5pip) 1.1000 Open 2 Buy (Note: 1 sell @ BE, will automatic closed @ BE) (price then goes down) Am interested to know how the Dual system, remove the 2 Buy toxic?
I just want people to know that I have not ignored Tim's thoughts on grid trading. I have tried to program what he was talking about but have not been successful. The best attempt to do anything close to what he was saying is to change the lot size to set your buy lots in step up to 0.02 and sell lots in step down to 0.02 when leaving the hedged side to 0.01. Maybe another programmer wants to have a crack at what Tim said? I'm sorry to be unable to do this myself.
  • #599
  • May 9, 2016 7:10am May 9, 2016 7:10am
Quoting tundex
After 11 days account 2 gave up. I planned to reduce the equity profit percentage but I forgot because I broke my leg so was more interested on my health. Anyway my conclusion is equity profit with small percentage will be profitable for this system. Others using 2% will still have chance to get out of toxic trades. I will stop posting for a while but will follow the thread closely. Cheers guys.
Hope you have a fast recovery!
  • #600
  • May 9, 2016 8:19am May 9, 2016 8:19am
good morning, I have a few days testing this EA so similiar to tundex, but with a grid of 10 pips.
-grid 10 pips.
-TP 100pips
-lots 0.01
-Close all when equitity 10%
EA today carries 200 pips (from 154.5 to 156.5) rise against and keep holding on, I think a way to survive would be for example, when it comes to -2000pips (top right pipsometre observe currently in -3954) doubled the purchase ordendes increasing the size to 0.02, thus even a little balance.
The EA would execute Sells 0.01, and 0.02 Buys until you reach the daily equitity (10%) once it back to normal.
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