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  • #2,481
  • Apr 13, 2016 6:03am Apr 13, 2016 6:03am
Quoting anazri
New report from remon78eg 2 part 1. The increasing lot + small step order + price trending finally show the real picture... for your ack. and action. I am waiting for Mjma01 to modify this version with some filters. Hope it may improve when facing the trending move... {image}
I don't really think that a Grid EA can work 100% autonomously. The problem with this EA is:

1- it abuses of leverage. It is great to acchieve 100% profit a month, but it is not realistic over the long term, as it risks far too much. I would sell my soul for a 10% profit a month.
2- As many grid systems it gets stuck on peaks and bottoms with losing positions that are a struggle to resolve. The solution could be to do some TA and some FA in order to know potential turning points so that you can stop the EA from trading in the overbought or oversold direction.

Those are my thoughts. I have a Grid EA of my own that I'm testing without that much leverage and a bit of manual control. It is still on demo forward test and with room for improvement, but it is giving me on average 1.8% a month. I still have to see how would it work on live if live comissions, spreads and slippage kills this performance.
  • #2,482
  • Apr 13, 2016 6:14am Apr 13, 2016 6:14am
Quoting AntonioLegaz
{quote} Hello Remon , please , in which post ? Once again thank you for your generosity
http://www.forexfactory.com/showthre...52#post8858852
  • #2,483
  • Apr 13, 2016 7:11am Apr 13, 2016 7:11am
Now I'm Coding The EA Using MT5 To Test And Debug The EA ,

To Make This Hedge Idea Work Fine In MT5 Rules,
I Develop The Idea To Have No Hedge At All,
And Get The Same Results , (Or Better Results).

But MT5 Tester Not Have The Ability To Set The Spread To 20=2.0 Pips
So I Use A Fix Spread Broker (Spread Now Is 20=2.0 Pips).



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  • #2,484
  • Apr 13, 2016 7:43am Apr 13, 2016 7:43am
Quoting remon78eg
{quote} What You Ask For Is Done, In Method2 This Already Done. {image} If Uptrend , This Will Lead To Only Buy.
But if it's not big enough... usually .it always like this "up down up up down down up up up up down"...

then method2 will open lot sell trade and it hard to recover after trend back to normal up and down... bottom sell wont have chance to close.

by the way... I really like your idea, it give me a lot idea. Auctully I did code method2 already.. It work sometime, but it crash in 2014/5 - 2014/11 big eur/usd falling down.

I modified method2 a lot. I'm still working on it. But I did pass those time, but less profit, but safe.

Thank you remon!
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  • #2,485
  • Apr 13, 2016 7:55am Apr 13, 2016 7:55am
Quoting MrGray
{quote} But if it's not big enough... usually .it always like this "up down up up down down up up up up down"... then method2 will open lot sell trade and it hard to recover after trend back to normal up and down... bottom sell wont have chance to close. by the way... I really like your idea, it give me a lot idea. Auctully I did code method2 already.. It work sometime, but it crash in 2014/5 - 2014/11 big eur/usd falling down. I modified method2 a lot. I'm still working on it. But I did pass those time, but less profit, but safe. Thank you remon!...
MrGray,

Do you mind sharing your EA for testing and to see u r idea in code?
  • #2,486
  • Apr 13, 2016 8:05am Apr 13, 2016 8:05am
Trading on Hedge pairs AS I want with Trend-AntiTrend Flat lot, also fail.. EA eats 10k of 50k account pretty fast

I'm pretty much done with the testing, none of the versions Method #1 worked for me. it's like floating DD

= "profit".. Well will wait for something new... Good luck..
  • #2,487
  • Apr 13, 2016 8:12am Apr 13, 2016 8:12am
Quoting Sathis
{quote} MrGray, Do you mind sharing your EA for testing and to see u r idea in code?
Sorry, I'm still working on it.
It pass 2014 bad time...but it faill when huge down then huge up...and lot small wave...
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  • #2,488
  • Apr 13, 2016 8:27am Apr 13, 2016 8:27am
Quoting MrGray
{quote} Sorry, I'm still working on it. It pass 2014 bad time...but it faill when huge down then huge up...and lot small wave... {image}
Hahaha! I am working on my EA and the difficult part is having it to pass the test between Nov 2013 to Jan 2014. It is a heavy trend for most pairs with very little retracement!!!
  • #2,489
  • Apr 13, 2016 8:38am Apr 13, 2016 8:38am
Quoting Mjma01
Hello guys, My contribution: I have change the APG_04.mq4 to allow 2 thinks it seamed important First: "trade with the trend", - inside a moving average tunnel buys and sells are allowed - above the top of the tunnel only buys are allowed (strong up trends) - below the bottom of the tunnel only sells are allowed (strong downtrends) Second: After a certain numbers of buy/sell I increase the Lot. example from the first to the 10th Lot= 0.01, from the 11st to the 20th Lot= 0,02, and so on.... {image}
Mjma01 and All..

I do have an Idea to add into APG_04_02 version. The idea is

When price above the tunnel, EA is ONLY allow BUY and STOP SELL, addition to that (My Idea) DO NOT CLOSE BUY TRADE AS LONG AS PRICE STILL REMAIN ABOVE TUNNEL. To Close the Trade is EITHER Price ENTER back to TUNNEL OR When PROFIT (BUY TRADE) >= SELL TRADE (LOSS TRADE). Vice versa for price below Tunnel.

When all trades cleaned, EA can open new trade again BUY OR SELL depends on the position (Above the Tunnel or Below Tunnel). Both BUY and SELL when price inside the tunnel.

Can anyone improve the code, I want to see these features in both EA (remon part 1 and also APG_04).? I will appreciate if anyone can do this.
I believe this solution the only way to avoid high DD when price in trending or Spike due to news.

Thanks.
Regards : Nazri
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  • #2,490
  • Apr 13, 2016 8:48am Apr 13, 2016 8:48am
Quoting anazri
{quote} Mjma01 and All.. I do have an Idea to add into APG_04_02 version. The idea is When price above the tunnel, EA is ONLY allow BUY and STOP SELL, addition to that (My Idea) DO NOT CLOSE BUY TRADE AS LONG AS PRICE STILL REMAIN ABOVE TUNNEL. To Close the Trade is EITHER Price ENTER back to TUNNEL OR When PROFIT (BUY TRADE) >= SELL TRADE (LOSS TRADE). Vice versa for price below Tunnel. When all trades cleaned, EA can open new trade again BUY OR SELL depends on the position (Above the Tunnel or Below Tunnel). Both BUY and SELL when price inside...
@anazri

Excellent idea!

What do you have in mind for "tunnel" settings and on what time frame (I guess the tunnel is Boellinger Band)?
  • #2,491
  • Apr 13, 2016 9:05am Apr 13, 2016 9:05am
Quoting MasterGuru
{quote} @anazri Excellent idea! What do you have in mind for "tunnel" settings and on what time frame (I guess the tunnel is Boellinger Band)?
Dear MG,

I am not really expert to give the good answer. It's a point for us to discuss about that. For me, BB still does not work, because if you can see EU today...
Price are trending slowly within the BB area (you can check from M1 to H1).
May be others could add something in here. To stay the open position just on the direction of the trending movement.

Market trending is the major challenge for Grid trading system, as well as for Martiangle (MA) system.
If we could apply this method even to MA system.. it could save your account, I think..
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  • #2,492
  • Apr 13, 2016 9:21am Apr 13, 2016 9:21am
Quoting remon78eg
Now, You Think What Is The Benefit From Programing That Simulator. Why Not Programing The EA Instead !! {image} The Simulator Is Like Test The Idea [On The Paper], Can You Build A Car Engine Without Draw It In A Paper Or Test It In A Computer Program (CAD Simulator). With This Simulator I Can Easily Imagine And See Errors And Develop/Fix it . After That, I Will Take That Code From The Simulator And Put It In The EA, Without Caring About The Idea, Just Converting The Code To MQL. Like Taking A CAD Design And Put It In Auto Create Machine To Create...
Very true and great! Idea.
  • #2,493
  • Apr 13, 2016 9:44am Apr 13, 2016 9:44am
Quoting MasterGuru
{quote} @anazri Excellent idea! What do you have in mind for "tunnel" settings and on what time frame (I guess the tunnel is Boellinger Band)?
Maybee last X Bars high low to create a tunnel ...
  • #2,494
  • Apr 13, 2016 10:03am Apr 13, 2016 10:03am
@anazri

Excellent idea

What do you think about BB MTF ? Check if price is above/below the BB of the M5/M15 TimeFrame for example if you are on a M1 chart.
Just an idea... it allow you to follow the trend and don't leave the train when a big move occurs !
  • #2,495
  • Apr 13, 2016 10:24am Apr 13, 2016 10:24am
Quoting eatrade
{quote} Maybee last X Bars high low to create a tunnel ...
Yes, we can take previous HIGH and LOW as the BAND for the TUNNEL..
Is there any available Indi for this?

To Remon, please apologize if this discussion is out of your topic. I love your original Idea and EA, just want to see it can has sustainability in the real trading situation.
May be it could be apply in your implementation as a filter.
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  • #2,496
  • Apr 13, 2016 10:26am Apr 13, 2016 10:26am
Quoting anazri
{quote} To Close the Trade is EITHER Price ENTER back to TUNNEL {image}
Your idea is quite simple: just use a crossover moving average EA!

When price is up to the channel buy, viceversa for sell.

What does that have to do with a grid/hedge system?
  • #2,497
  • Apr 13, 2016 10:27am Apr 13, 2016 10:27am
someone who is making forward test?
  • #2,498
  • Edited 11:13am Apr 13, 2016 10:51am | Edited 11:13am
Quoting anazri
{quote} Yes, we can take previous HIGH and LOW as the BAND for the TUNNEL.. Is there any available Indi for this? To Remon, please apologize if this discussion is out of your topic. I love your original Idea and EA, just want to see it can has sustainability in the real trading situation. May be it could be apply in your implementation as a filter.
The "Envelopes" indicator might be a good choice. Of course, parameters should be fine-tuned.

Using the below "rough" example, the EA would have added SELL-AFTER-SELL trades today below the channel (without any BUY) until all previously opened BUY trades had been compensated with some profit (or at BE) when the EA would have closed ALL open trades.

After that new BUY/SELL trades would be opened only within the "sweet spot" of the EA, i.e. within the channel.

In summary: the EA would make most profits within the channel, going into "escape mode" - with trend direction trades - outside of the channel, and so - in case of a sudden major market move - it could get out of all trades even with some profit.
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  • #2,499
  • Apr 13, 2016 11:18am Apr 13, 2016 11:18am
Quoting sanmiguell
{quote} Your idea is quite simple: just use a crossover moving average EA! When price is up to the channel buy, viceversa for sell. What does that have to do with a grid/hedge system?
The Grid/Hedge still applies within the TUNNEL. This only to make them save during the trending or spike.
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  • #2,500
  • Apr 13, 2016 11:19am Apr 13, 2016 11:19am
I would just leave a collaboration that discussion
see the right way to work with the Medium:
H4 - MA 21
H1 - MA 60
M30 - MA 120
M15 - MA 240
M05 - MA 780
OBSERVATION: I would like them to see the price in your graphic in M15 and MA 240
to add in only suggested here ideas
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