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  • #2,621
  • Apr 12, 2016 1:35pm Apr 12, 2016 1:35pm
Quoting ydem
Catalin68, i'm still on W1 entry, but i exit on M15 + H1 instead of waiting for M15 + H1 + H4 + D1 , i know it's too early to get out of the trending boat, but at least helped me cut loose the Yen bad turn this week, GBPJPY + USDJPY ones... Let us know how it works for you the D1 exit, maybe my current setting is going to be bad on the long run... Also thanks for mentioning CSM/RT/W1 table on your previous post, helps me understand more the pair strength of the week, looks like CAD is pulling the strings this week, we will see how it goes...
Make entry on m15 + h1 + h4 + d1 + w1 and exit the same configuration without w1.
I use SCM/RT/W1 only vision to confirm power coin. CAD + AUD are the strongest.

Quoting braintheboss
{quote} Using momentum indicators like you, only problem is when market arrive to swing moment. If you can handle that critical moment well, the rest will be easy. Husky it's testing some interesting stuff for range markets. Maybe it's good you speak with him because you can adapt it in your settings
Yet, the more I studied these settings, then I'll add something else, as needed.

Quoting rushamg
{quote} Yesterday, too, caught Loss......Today, too, was a loss of 300 points ..... but after the installation of the basket at $ 7, the entire loss is restored .... look at how to be with a fixed basket
I don't like to do the cutting position when I want ... just when the pair so requests.
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  • #2,622
  • Apr 12, 2016 9:44pm Apr 12, 2016 9:44pm
hey all

can anyone give some advice. i am attempting to set up the trend and strength indicators according to this instruction from www9528ww:

"DASHTZ I use Trend5.15.30.60.srength 5.15"

Does that mean in the inputs for Trend (5.15.30.60) we use timeframe 5, period 15 and bands - upper band 30 lower band 60?

and for strength (5.15) -where does the 5 and 15 go?


any help greatly appreciated thanks

blam
  • #2,623
  • Apr 13, 2016 12:58am Apr 13, 2016 12:58am
Quoting blamshakk
hey all can anyone give some advice. i am attempting to set up the trend and strength indicators according to this instruction from www9528ww: "DASHTZ I use Trend5.15.30.60.srength 5.15" Does that mean in the inputs for Trend (5.15.30.60) we use timeframe 5, period 15 and bands - upper band 30 lower band 60? and for strength (5.15) -where does the 5 and 15 go? any help greatly appreciated thanks blam
i think is trend with TF 15,30,60 then strength with TF 5,15. so this means you will have in one separate chart 3 instances of trend and 2 of strength ,each one of this with his pin/plugin channel number to send signals in dashtz to have a mix.maybe in two separated main PIN's or all 5 indicators to send signals in 5 plugins in one PIN in dashtz.
example:
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  • #2,624
  • Apr 13, 2016 1:32am Apr 13, 2016 1:32am
Quoting blamshakk
hey all can anyone give some advice. i am attempting to set up the trend and strength indicators according to this instruction from www9528ww: "DASHTZ I use Trend5.15.30.60.srength 5.15" Does that mean in the inputs for Trend (5.15.30.60) we use timeframe 5, period 15 and bands - upper band 30 lower band 60? and for strength (5.15) -where does the 5 and 15 go? any help greatly appreciated thanks blam
That means that www was setting up those time frames for each indicator as a server to feed in as pin's. So TF5, then TF15, then TF30 and so on......
My results haven't been good on this setup, very unreliable and way to many bad trades. I still have it running but using EAX to help it along and not open as many trades.
www had the rest of settings default in his indicator. You will see screenshots from him if you read all posts.
Let me know if you want any more specifics, www did share his CFG files but they are point out to external. You need to setup a chart with all the Strength indi servers as per his TF's and trend server indi's as per his TF's and then match up his pin channels in his CFG.
I am trying to filter out the bad trades but the rules are conflicting with each other so no trades happening. www's setup is for trending market.
then to exit when trend changes direction on lower TF's.
Not sure how it is doing with out my filters you might need to ask him and see if it is worth pursuing.
I am starting to think it is not so good to just mix the indi's TF's in DashTZ and rather to bring them in individually to DashEAX and then have a match all scenario.
Brain unless we can do some sort of stringent match on DashTZ so that we could say if PIN1 doesn't match PIN1 then ignore ignals and don't populate to out.
You can do this in DashEAX but you can't say TF15 and TF30 combine to give a signal of a reversal of direction.
I need to learn a little more and understand the trigger min and trigger max, if we were not to use the OUT pin in DashTZ and rather can combine some basic things and use Each Pin in DashTZ for example to combine trend TF15 and 30 for change in direction this might be better and then bring in the SnR's in seperately into DashEAX.

I am how ever mixing SnR's in the DashTZ and it is trading ok but still not 100% how I want it too.
Does some unwanted things sometimes, like a short on CHFJPY was traded when it clearly wasn't good so I think the signals are not setup right yet on my side. But still making profit fully auto which is my goal, so maybe I should ignore and look at the other 70% profitable trades but this bad one bugs me as I am sure there will be more to come.
Hoping Husky can help me with this odd one. Husky, by the way your PM's are blocked, so couldn't send you a message....
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I am mixing SnR TFH1, TFH2, TFH4, TFH8, TFD1 with priority on 2 for D1 and the rest 1.
And using the SnR signal as my trigger and reversal with some other filters but filtering using lower TF's in DashEAX.
With larger basket take profits and I recently added take profit on a single trade at 35pips as I had lots of pull backs which was reducing my profits.
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Quite different to Catalin as he is trading over much longer periods.
  • #2,625
  • Apr 13, 2016 1:36am Apr 13, 2016 1:36am
Quoting SpencerBizze
{quote} That means that www was setting up those time frames for each indicator as a server to feed in as pin's. So TF5, then TF15, then TF30 and so on......
you can put snr on that chf pair and see every tf you have set in dashtz and see where was taken and why.then if was taken because of one snr with a specific tf and was wrong maybe consider to give priority bigger to another snr tf wich will hold trade until level is good for entry.maybe to give priority bigger to higher tf TFH1, TFH2, TFH4, TFH8, TFD1
like giving priority high to h8 and d1 maybe.so the mix of signal will be made with more weight on those two.
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  • #2,626
  • Apr 13, 2016 1:37am Apr 13, 2016 1:37am
Quoting Catalin68
{quote} Make entry on m15 + h1 + h4 + d1 + w1 and exit the same configuration without w1. I use SCM/RT/W1 only vision to confirm power coin. CAD + AUD are the strongest. {quote} Yet, the more I studied these settings, then I'll add something else, as needed. {quote} I don't like to do the cutting position when I want ... just when the pair so requests. {image}
Are you just using strength here "m15 + h1 + h4 + d1 + w1 and exit the same configuration without w1"?
Can you clarify what you mean only vision on the SCM/TD/W1?

Are you closing off trades manually as well as your exit reversal set "same configuration without w1", as I don't see a Basket Take profit trail locked in on your screenshot.
  • #2,627
  • Apr 13, 2016 1:49am Apr 13, 2016 1:49am
Quoting Husky77
{quote} you can put snr on that chf pair and see every tf you have set in dashtz and see where was taken and why.then if was taken because of one snr with a specific tf and was wrong maybe consider to give priority bigger to another snr tf wich will hold trade until level is good for entry.maybe to give priority bigger to higher tf TFH1, TFH2, TFH4, TFH8, TFD1 like giving priority high to h8 and d1 maybe.so the mix of signal will be made with more weight on those two.
agreed but then it would have taken away my profitable trades.... :nerd:
tough one, I think I will watch if for longer and see what happens.
I am just going to let it ride and will reduce the TP on this one just to get money out at some point. (Dam not fully auto.. ) lol
  • #2,628
  • Apr 13, 2016 1:55am Apr 13, 2016 1:55am
Quoting SpencerBizze
{quote} agreed but then it would have taken away my profitable trades.... :nerd: tough one, I think I will watch if for longer and see what happens. I am just going to let it ride and will reduce the TP on this one just to get money out at some point. (Dam not fully auto.. ) lol
the problem we cant manage is exit as usual.if you see +2$ on one lot of 0.01 you may think can do better but already that 2 profit is more than decent and think to 10 trades like this.if you let it to roll more time than dd will come for sure and maybe later will get back in line.
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  • #2,629
  • Apr 13, 2016 2:19am Apr 13, 2016 2:19am
Quoting Husky77
{quote} the problem we cant manage is exit as usual.if you see +2$ on one lot of 0.01 you may think can do better but already that 2 profit is more than decent and think to 10 trades like this.if you let it to roll more time than dd will come for sure and maybe later will get back in line.
I have been trying to reduce amounts of trades and rather up the risk percentage on each trade. Might increase DD but as long as strat is working, it should continue in profit. well that the goal at least. filtering out news and all the bigger events but of course if you already in trade and news comes then well not much you can do.
My trades are also designed to almost trade out that day or even better that session not run for days like Catalin's strat.
It is a similar strat to yours I think and works in ranging quite well, but you are more about just that session ideally.
So yes something like 10 trades a day, not 30 trades a day.
Bringing in pins separately even for what we are trying to do might be the better way to work will fire up another VM and set this up as well and see if it is better. So it would then start to trade even less trades doing this though as it would need to match all SnR.

I am going to setup a long term TF trend strat which will be more like weekly trades like Catalins and see which performs better.
  • #2,630
  • Apr 13, 2016 2:39am Apr 13, 2016 2:39am
Quoting SpencerBizze
{quote} That means that www was setting up those time frames for each indicator as a server to feed in as pin's. So TF5, then TF15, then TF30 and so on...... My results haven't been good on this setup, very unreliable and way to many bad trades. I still have it running but using EAX to help it along and not open as many trades. www had the rest of settings default in his indicator. You will see screenshots from him if you read all posts. Let me know if you want any more specifics, www did share his CFG files but they are point out to external. You...
The big mistake have people is put many same type of indicators in different TFs. If you put many trends and you need all same signal for send it, then it's same than let higher alone. It's true you have some discrepancies in pullbacks in lower TF but until highest TF don't change direction you will not have opposite signal.
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Same with WWW settings. Split exits in 2 small TFs you are delaying entries and doing fast the exits. It's like you put entry too late in not optimal place and you close it 5 seconds later don't let profits run. You are simulating the typical newbie strategy in manual. How curious thing is fine but we don't want trade how newbies.
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I recommend you only use one indicator of every type you want and try tune it better you can. With that base you can try improve it changing small things. More plugins in the mix, more complex. Now we are trying only with snr and we get same results than using other mixes. The conclusion is you have better performance if you can tune indicators perfectly than do crazy mixes
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  • #2,631
  • Edited 4:18am Apr 13, 2016 3:05am | Edited 4:18am
Sorry Brain, was typing this while you posted. I am effectively a Newbie I guess so I maybe trade like one..
So this is why I post and hope you guys can help me become better and stop doing stupid stuff... lol
So look at below and you will see what is happening, I know you already said I shouldn't mix and I agree but the strat seems to work for daily trading but need to see how it goes over a longer period.

Husky and Brain, take a look here and if you can advise if I am thinking right here why this trade went wrong.
Here is the trades with the SnR indicators shown.
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For other learners here is further info for you to understand what is happening, from what I understand. I marked up the screenshot. (really like this indicator Brain!! )
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Edit: Suddenly not sure if this is right... hmmm. I think I have missed how this SnR works.

Here is the calc of what signal the PIN1/SNR of DashTZ would have read.
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Here are my DashTZ settings for the Pin1/SNR bringing in the mix or external SnR Indi's. (#1 is 60Min, #2 is 120Min and so on)
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Something I need to understand better is the trigger, the min and max setting how does this filter work?
Currently I have it on 0 and 25 as you can see, how is this effecting what goes to the output?
It doesn't seem to be effecting anything I am wrong?

Here is my DashTZ out pin settings
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Once again I don't understand the Trigger Min and Max here?
Currently set on 0 and 49?
If you can help with explaining these trigger values and how they are effecting things?


So what I understand is that this trade was entered because my system thought it was a breakout through the resistance and unfortunately my strength filters were all with it as the strength hadn't changed yet as well on the lower TF's.
Is this correct?

If this is correct then my following thoughts are to try and filter these out, if I wanted to I could do the following:

 

  1. I could increase my signal in the Indi's from 76.4 up above what produced this signal for the TF's that produced the signal.
  2. I could setup another SnR indi on Pin 1 with TF1440 or TF480 and then take this straight into EAX and have this as a required Pin match but this might remove quite a few of my profitable trades.
  3. I am not sure if I could adjust my Trigger Min and Max on the DashTZ to also assist, need to understand these trigger values better as per above.

Just looking at 1. and 2. I am not sure which would be better, I might need to test both and bring up another two VM's to forward test. lol
Let me know what you guys think?

  • #2,632
  • Edited 4:46am Apr 13, 2016 3:38am | Edited 4:46am
Quoting SpencerBizze
Sorry Brain, was typing this while you posted. I am effectively a Newbie I guess so I maybe trade like one.. So this is why I post and hope you guys can help me become better and stop doing stupid stuff... lol So look at below and you will see what is happening, I know you already said I shouldn't mix and I agree but the strat seems to work for daily trading but need to see how it goes over a longer period. Husky and Brain, take a look here and if you can advise if I am thinking right here why this trade went wrong. Here is the trades with...
For parts. I don't blame anybody for their knowledge. I try explain that settings simulate newbie behavior. This is enter late and exit too early. For that you never will have good results in long term. The rest of answer later. I have analyze your questions
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1) That calculation table is wrong. When trade enter you have neutral signal in that PIN (1+1+1-1-2). And values you are showing in table are buy but it's impossible snr show buy signal when you have sell zone. Why opened buy trade I don't have idea. There don't must open trade
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2) DashTZ levels are simple. You have 2 areas inside fibo range 0-100. Buy area start in 0 ( or trigger min) and ends in trigger max. Sell area is mirrored. If you out 0/25 your sell area will be 75/100. If you have 0/49 then you are getting all fibo are a how signal. You don't have neutral signals
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3) Trigger affects when you have more plugin/pin in the mix. In every pin you have one output value. Depending trigger that value will send signal or not. If you have pin mix with 87 and your trigger is 10 then that signal will not valid (0/10 and 90/100 valid areas). I use trigger for example when I have 2 plugins and I want both show same signal for have valid signal. I put 0/0 in trigger and this force pin signal have show 0 or 100 for be valid. If you have one plugin with buy signal and one with neutral the mix is (0+50)/2=25. With trigger 0 this value it's outside valid range
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  • #2,633
  • Edited 4:06am Apr 13, 2016 3:44am | Edited 4:06am
Quoting braintheboss
{quote} For parts. I don't blame anybody for their knowledge. I try explain that settings simulate newbie behavior. This is enter late and exit too early. For that you never will have good results in long term. The rest of answer later. I have analyze your questions
Thanks Brain, would help if I understand better, and then I can help others have more green pips.
I think Maybe thinking that those are break outs is wrong. Anyways would like to understand these indi's better. So if you can answer then maybe I will be able to correct strat.

I have also got VM's setup with PIN's coming straight into EAX so it gives more control but I have left this running above it was something Husky and I discussed, as it seems to be making profit, even with the mixed TF's of the SnR.
  • #2,634
  • Apr 13, 2016 4:22am Apr 13, 2016 4:22am
Quoting SpencerBizze
Sorry Brain, was typing this while you posted. I am effectively a Newbie I guess so I maybe trade like one.. So this is why I post and hope you guys can help me become better and stop doing stupid stuff...
is ok i think to give priority 2 more weight to daily snr so that signal will be taken first in consideration ,but you made max trigger in pinout 49 wich means there's no neutral zone ,and that neutral zone in D1 may help you to not have that order open there cos will lock signals from other plugins.
maybe this example will help you understand the basic of max trigger.so max trigger lower it will look for better fit your plugins in signals area and more high neutral zone,wich can give a bit more ( in fact really more ) sense to that order.
less open orders but with more chances.
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  • #2,635
  • Apr 13, 2016 4:30am Apr 13, 2016 4:30am
Quoting Husky77
{quote} is ok i think to give priority 2 more weight to daily snr so that signal will be taken first in consideration ,but you made max trigger in pinout 49 wich means there's no neutral zone ,and that neutral zone in D1 may help you to not have that order open there cos will lock signals from other plugins. maybe this example will help you understand the basic of max trigger.so max trigger lower it will look for better fit your plugins in signals area and more high neutral zone,wich can give a bit more ( in fact really more ) sense to that...
This is the info I was missing. Thank you...

Brain still processing what you wrote I see that I missed how the signals are working and will update my post.
Will reply now.
  • #2,636
  • Apr 13, 2016 4:30am Apr 13, 2016 4:30am
Quoting SpencerBizze
{quote} Thanks Brain, would help if I understand better, and then I can help others have more green pips. I think Maybe thinking that those are break outs is wrong. Anyways would like to understand these indi's better. So if you can answer then maybe I will be able to correct strat. I have also got VM's setup with PIN's coming straight into EAX so it gives more control but I have left this running above it was something Husky and I discussed, as it seems to be making profit, even with the mixed TF's of the SnR.
I answered in prev post. About you have more PIN control in EAX, I'm sorry but I have discrepancy about that thinking. DashTZ have more advanced control with pins. The problem is that do it more complex. In EAX don't have trigger or priorities for control pin behavior. And really for dont lose EAX compatibility I'm loosing a lot of precision in PINs because SnR use new model internally. You can see values showed in single mode and compare it with simple 0/1/2 of EAX.
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  • #2,637
  • Edited 4:57am Apr 13, 2016 4:43am | Edited 4:57am
Quoting SpencerBizze
{quote} This is the info I was missing. Thank you... Brain still processing what you wrote I see that I missed how the signals are working and will update my post. Will reply now.
dont ask Brain how much his fingers hurt when we start talking to explain me all the stuff hahahah
imagine two guys that dont have english main language talking this shit
he is like :
- No!
- not that way!
-you forget how things work?
- like this not like that
and i am like WTF! i will sleep late again in asia

new tool tests
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  • #2,638
  • Apr 13, 2016 4:56am Apr 13, 2016 4:56am
Quoting braintheboss
{quote} I answered in prev post. About you have more PIN control in EAX, I'm sorry but I have discrepancy about that thinking. DashTZ have more advanced control with pins. The problem is that do it more complex. In EAX don't have trigger or priorities for control pin behavior. And really for dont lose EAX compatibility I'm loosing a lot of precision in PINs because SnR use new model internally. You can see values showed in single mode and compare it with simple 0/1/2 of EAX.
Ok I now see that I was looking at incorrect bars and was very confused...
I now see how this works.
will post again.
  • #2,639
  • Apr 13, 2016 4:58am Apr 13, 2016 4:58am
Quoting Husky77
{quote} dont ask Brain how much his fingers hurt when we start talking to explain me all the stuff hahahah imagine two guys that dont have english main language talking this shit new tool tests {image} {image}
understand.
Looks awesome, I think I saw that and then suddenly thought breakouts were in this SnR version and this is how I was explaining my bad trade setup.
Looking forward to that tool.

This is still doing kinda of well, not sure if I should fiddle with it just yet. Even if it is wrong.
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  • #2,640
  • Apr 13, 2016 5:43am Apr 13, 2016 5:43am
Ok some more training needed from the masters please before I re-post 2631 which is wrong.

  1. Post 2,631


I have setup another DashTZ where the SNR's Channels are in separate Pin's to see how the Pin Out is calculated.

Original Setup all mixed in first PIN
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So each SNR time frame 60, 120, 240, 480, 1440 is brought into PIN1
And then you can see OUT is calculated.

Second Setup separated each TF into it's own PIN. (Same TF's and SnR setup.
PIN1 TF60
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Through to PIN5 TF1440
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Now the OUT gives completely different results comparing these, the screenshots were taken at very similar times.

Screenshot1

  1. How is the PIN1 Calculated in the first Screenshot? (Can't understand why there is no display on this PIN1)
  2. How is the PIN OUT calculated in the first Screenshot, would it just equal PIN1 because there are no other PIN's?

Screenshot2 and 3

 

  1. How is each PIN calculated?
  2. Does the Priority in the PIN effect how it is calculated, doesn't seem to from tests?
  3. How is PIN OUT calculated?

Want to understand why there is such a difference between Screenshot1 and Screenshot2and3?

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