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  • #341
  • Mar 31, 2016 11:24am Mar 31, 2016 11:24am
Any percentage is POSSIBLE in trading, even +20000% a day if you know what I mean. The real question is how could you do it "CONSISTENTLY"?

1 advice though, don't limit you trading or have specified set in stone targets... just take what the markets is willing to give you.
  • #342
  • Apr 3, 2016 9:40am Apr 3, 2016 9:40am
The simple answer is 'NO'. I haven't seen a trader that can produce 20% average trading results for a long term track record. If someone like that exists he will aggressively headhunted by Banks and hedge funds.

An issue that i always find with investors into this market is asking about the return without giving any important to what kind of risk are you allocating. now if you are looking to leverage your investment to 10:1 or 100:1, and also increase your allocated risk to the strategy to a maximum of the total pool of funds. Then yes, 20% is possible per month. Although that will be a very high risk program and that is something that is not recommended especially when your main target is to create a portfolio that preserves capital and increases capital growth opportunities.

Investing into capital markets with the right tools and the right diversification opportunities can reap great rewards. Although you to outline what are your goals of the investment before looking what kind of percentage are you targeting per month. Also, please avoid monthly calculations. You should calculate your ROI annually. Create a diversified portfolio of multiple managers and strategies in different asset classes, limit your losses to each investment type and model, and based on that you can obtain a more consistent return on your portfolio while your strategies will always have different results depending on market conditions.

My optimum annual gain would be anywhere between 45 - 75% annual. And this is on what i would call a medium - high risk program. in which capital allocation that is put at risk is anywhere between 10-25% per strategy and around 15-20% on the whole portfolio. Of course you will never have 100% positive months.

Treat this as a long term investment and you can reap a lot of benefits out of capital markets. Although please exercise logic and avoid unrealistic numbers. Study the risks before the gains, and Diversify, diversify and diversify.
  • #343
  • Apr 5, 2016 5:32am Apr 5, 2016 5:32am
Quoting abstractwlth
The simple answer is 'NO'. I haven't seen a trader that can produce 20% average trading results for a long term track record. If someone like that exists he will aggressively headhunted by Banks and hedge funds. An issue that i always find with investors into this market is asking about the return without giving any important to what kind of risk are you allocating. now if you are looking to leverage your investment to 10:1 or 100:1, and also increase your allocated risk to the strategy to a maximum of the total pool of funds. Then yes, 20% is possible...
+20% is easily possible per month if you don't panic when things go wrong.
Price-Action Extremist
  • #344
  • Apr 5, 2016 10:05am Apr 5, 2016 10:05am
Everything depend on you! You just need to find the right broker and a certain strategy (always test it on demo accounts ) But after my 4 years of amateur trading I would not recommend setting some kinds of goals - just follow the market, because some months market goes against all your trades and the other one you can receive for example 1000% return. Just have patience !
  • #345
  • Apr 6, 2016 2:09am Apr 6, 2016 2:09am
Quoting bagman
{quote} +20% is easily possible per month if you don't panic when things go wrong.
From my point of view, i always like and prefer that traders and investors especially people that are new to the market. Look more into the law of averages. Now when we look at any professional trader of fund manager or a hedge fund manager trading statement for the past 3-4 years. We always aim to look at consistency, volatility, risk management and then of course profitability. As of my experience in this market for the past 10 years. I would say that '20% per month is easy' an very unrealistic. I haven't met or ever seen a trader that can run an easy 20% consistently over the course of their live trading for long periods.

So If i have a new or novice trader that is coming into the market, and as soon as they put their feet in the door i would put or base their expectations to be at 20% per month. This is basically a recipe for self destruction. The main reason why trades fail, and many investors burn out very very quickly is due to the inflated expectations that people have in this market. There is a huge difference when you look at this from a prospect of a investor and a gambler. 20% per month is definitely unrealistic and if it exists this is very exceptional. and not your normal or average trader. I haven't seen a single professional trader than can produce such results over the course of as low as 6 months or 1 year.
  • #346
  • Apr 11, 2016 1:11am Apr 11, 2016 1:11am
I can do 10% per month on amounts up to $10B easily. 20% per month... not possible with my models cause of leverage decay.
Number #1 in PnL and Pips on Dukascopy Trader Contest since 2011
  • #347
  • Apr 11, 2016 1:57am Apr 11, 2016 1:57am
Quoting rahulkghosh
I can do 10% per month on amounts up to $10B easily. 20% per month... not possible with my models cause of leverage decay.
just my 2 cents:

1. I don't think the OP would be looking for answer concerning 10 billion capital.
2. beyond constant talk, I would like you to show something about that 10% on 10 billion. ( and non that used to do good in a contest BS!, but real money. for ease I would be impressed if you show 10% gain on 10 million, not with the "b"). I wont hold my breath though.
there is always, always another trade!!
  • #348
  • Apr 11, 2016 2:31am Apr 11, 2016 2:31am
Quoting profitfarmer
{quote} just my 2 cents: 1. I don't think the OP would be looking for answer concerning 10 billion capital. 2. beyond constant talk, I would like you to show something about that 10% on 10 billion. ( and non that used to do good in a contest BS!, but real money. for ease I would be impressed if you show 10% gain on 10 million, not with the "b"). I wont hold my breath though.
It's easy to earn 10% per month on 10B. You would need 33:1 leverage(some prime brokers can offer this to $10B). You would need to earn just .5% per month unleveraged. After leverage decay it turns out to about 10% per month.
Number #1 in PnL and Pips on Dukascopy Trader Contest since 2011
  • #349
  • Apr 11, 2016 2:39am Apr 11, 2016 2:39am
Quoting rahulkghosh
{quote} It's easy to earn 10% per month on 10B. You would need 33:1 leverage(some prime brokers can offer this to $10B). You would need to earn just .5% per month unleveraged. After leverage decay it turns out to about 10% per month.
theories...
prove it that you know what you are talking about, then I will believe you It is easy!
talk is cheap.
there is always, always another trade!!
  • #350
  • Apr 11, 2016 2:45am Apr 11, 2016 2:45am
Quoting profitfarmer
{quote} theories... prove it that you know what you are talking about, then I will believe you It is easy! talk is cheap.
It is really simple. You would need to execute 5% of daily volume for the pair you are trading. You would have to spread out the execution over the whole day to not move price against you to much. The method you are trading should be on daily charts or higher. Yes it is certainly possible to make 10% per month on $10B. I will within 15 years.
Number #1 in PnL and Pips on Dukascopy Trader Contest since 2011
  • #351
  • Apr 11, 2016 3:12am Apr 11, 2016 3:12am
Quoting rahulkghosh
{quote} It is really simple. You would need to execute 5% of daily volume for the pair you are trading. You would have to spread out the execution over the whole day to not move price against you to much. The method you are trading should be on daily charts or higher. Yes it is certainly possible to make 10% per month on $10B. I will within 15 years.


It's really simple...Just watch my acc...oh...wait...I'm losing again!
Wealth comes from what you keep, not what you earn
  • #352
  • Apr 11, 2016 3:24am Apr 11, 2016 3:24am
I think 5-7% is possible monthly but I like to measure it as quarterly 18-20% per quarter(3 months) is attainable consistently but you have to be good experienced trader for that.
  • #353
  • Apr 11, 2016 3:30am Apr 11, 2016 3:30am
Quoting Skat
I think 5-7% is possible monthly but I like to measure it as quarterly 18-20% per quarter(3 months) is attainable consistently but you have to be good experienced trader for that.
Yes I certainly believe those numbers are possible.
Number #1 in PnL and Pips on Dukascopy Trader Contest since 2011
  • #354
  • Apr 11, 2016 3:33am Apr 11, 2016 3:33am
Quoting rahulkghosh
{quote} Yes I certainly believe those numbers are possible.
More realistic of very experienced traders returns with large accounts.
When the going gets tough , the tough get going
  • #355
  • Apr 11, 2016 12:41pm Apr 11, 2016 12:41pm
Set a realistic 2%
If you can manage that for a year, you'll see why 20% is not a good option to think about
Hard work and patience.
  • #356
  • Apr 11, 2016 9:11pm Apr 11, 2016 9:11pm
Quoting rahulkghosh
{quote} Yes I certainly believe those numbers are possible.
anything is possible, but it doesnt mean its achievable..
it is possible for any1 to win lottery but doesnt mean everyone will win

i have not seen any of your TE that produce profits..
and you want to make 20% per month?
why dont you talk when you can make 5% per month for 1 year..
if 20% is easy, then 5% is child works for you right?
  • #357
  • Apr 11, 2016 9:12pm Apr 11, 2016 9:12pm
Quoting Q4x
Set a realistic 2% If you can manage that for a year, you'll see why 20% is not a good option to think about
that is the problem with alot of people.. they think 2% is peanuts and should aim for much higher %..
and they ended up with losses after losses..
if they cant make consistent profits.. dont try to aim for the sky..
  • #358
  • Apr 11, 2016 9:15pm Apr 11, 2016 9:15pm
Its not the percentage that matters lets have an example

1. If you give me $500 then I can turn that easily into $1000.
2. If you give me 1,000,000 then not so easy to turn that into 2,000,000

the approach is the same the mental game is the hardest thing to overcome in trading, you almost have to turn off the money gene, easier said than done for most as 1,000,000 is way more money than most would ever see.

Simon
99% of Traders fail, so don't follow the herd
  • #359
  • Apr 12, 2016 2:46pm Apr 12, 2016 2:46pm
Quoting Gwan
Drop the target.... it will cause you to over trade or let an opportunity goes away....
I support it form my own experience.
Man , don't chase such goals, you will fail for sure.
  • #360
  • Apr 12, 2016 4:16pm Apr 12, 2016 4:16pm
here is something for you to think about...
this EA is 20 lines, it does not follow anything apart from a simple indicator.
Unfortunately it does not work after the recession in 2008. it used to work on most major pairs with the old spreads taken into considerations (3pips for GPBUSD)
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