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  • #2,021
  • Apr 5, 2016 11:44am Apr 5, 2016 11:44am
ya the grid settings seems similar, with steps and PO stuff. but the method of collecting profits is a little different.
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  • Apr 5, 2016 11:49am Apr 5, 2016 11:49am
JaggWaa and Zigler,

JaggWaa, I appreciate you sharing your code, your coding style is very professional.

Zigler, while I think your idea has merit, I believe it takes on too much risk vs the reward. Right now, I have the EA fired up on EUR/USD with the same settings you have. It has 2 buys and 3 sells, and is losing $50.17 currently - with all five trades in a loss. You might consider this a 'no loss' system, but taking on 5x risk vs reward (since the trade wins are capped at $10), I am not thinking the same. I did the math on this system, and it can get much worse than this.

To be positive, I have another system in mind that is similar (Grid trading in the direction of the trend), but will experience much less of a drawdown in a ranging market (which is much of the time). I would be happy to propose this idea, and the logic and math behind it, but I do not wish to take steam away from Remons thread to do so. As such, I would propose we fire up another thread to introduce this concept, and allow others to add their two cents to see if it a viable concept or not.

If that is ok, I would ask that JaggWaa comes along as I have nowhere near the skill he does in coding. Everyone is welcome, of course.

Your thoughts?
  • #2,023
  • Apr 5, 2016 11:52am Apr 5, 2016 11:52am
OK, it's the FF "Show your test rig" competition!

Winner will test Remon final EA 24 hours before anyone else!

I'm running 12 MT4 in 3 VPS, only one chart per account/MT4 to better check results:

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Now serious guys, show how you do it so we can learn!
  • #2,024
  • Apr 5, 2016 12:12pm Apr 5, 2016 12:12pm
Quoting kilion
Now serious guys, show how you do it so we can learn!
You have to completely understand what system is doing, then you barely need to test...

I run my Idea in my head, no need to test, just tune up, perhaps, to find best settings which is

not a biggy... Low DD is a must, nobody will actually drain their accounts with real money! Ain't gonna happened.
  • #2,025
  • Apr 5, 2016 12:17pm Apr 5, 2016 12:17pm
you can set a take profit orders only of 'EA Zigler V1.1 and not of the total profit?
  • #2,026
  • Apr 5, 2016 12:39pm Apr 5, 2016 12:39pm
Can anybody please explain to me what is trend? I am still fighting to understand that what actually is meant by trend. I suggest, we should not release too many versions. Khalil and Thread Owner, i think are authoritative in code. Everything they release, I will trust.
Forex; the game of movements not the game of candles.
  • #2,027
  • Apr 5, 2016 12:49pm Apr 5, 2016 12:49pm
Quoting genasea
JaggWaa and Zigler, JaggWaa, I appreciate you sharing your code, your coding style is very professional. Zigler, while I think your idea has merit, I believe it takes on too much risk vs the reward. Right now, I have the EA fired up on EUR/USD with the same settings you have. It has 2 buys and 3 sells, and is losing $50.17 currently - with all five trades in a loss. You might consider this a 'no loss' system, but taking on 5x risk vs reward (since the trade wins are capped at $10), I am not thinking the same. I did the math on this system, and it...
Its the ranging and that kills this idea....eur usd is not that great unless you can spot a good move and get on it with 1 or 2 trades the wrong way. You say you have 2 buys open....maybe the thing to do is close them after 1 level is reached....so you would have had 1 take profit at 5 pips (assuming you use 5 pips grid )

Then it turned and you would have had another TP going in the sell direction. It gets messy anyway....as it never moves straight down or straight up. So you get orders all over then hope to get out if it trends.

I like the idea....and think it works better on more volatile pairs like gbpjpy....in the hope that when it moves...it will move enough to get you out of the losers.

Would be interesting to hear your idea...Will you start a new thread?
  • #2,028
  • Apr 5, 2016 12:59pm Apr 5, 2016 12:59pm
Quoting [URL="http://www.forexfactory.com/showthread.php?p=8855244#post8855244"
genasea[/url]]{quote}
JaggWaa and Zigler, JaggWaa, I appreciate you sharing your code, your coding style is very professional. Zigler, while I think your idea has merit, I believe it takes on too much risk vs the reward. Right now, I have the EA fired up on EUR/USD with the same settings you have. It has 2 buys and 3 sells, and is losing $50.17 currently - with all five trades in a loss. You might consider this a 'no loss' system, but taking on 5x risk vs reward (since the trade wins are capped at $10), I am not thinking the same. I did the math on this system, and it...
We didn't share the Code... I asked for it and JaggWaa Create this Version for me and maybe few others who share this view...

"It has 2 buys and 3 sells, and is losing $50.17 "

Blahh.. Blahh then run Original EA where you have 10's of Orders open in 1 direction and All LOSS.. Yea $50 Big F* DD...

Don't use this Version, it's toxic... Let me use it cause I know how...
  • #2,029
  • Apr 5, 2016 1:01pm Apr 5, 2016 1:01pm
Quoting sajidkust
Can anybody please explain to me what is trend? I am still fighting to understand that what actually is meant by trend. I suggest, we should not release too many versions. Khalil and Thread Owner, i think are authoritative in code. Everything they release, I will trust.
I would gladly put Voldemar in this list as he has actually pioneered part 1 of the strategy.

On a personal note, I am getting better results in terms of profit and low DD by just letting both buys and sells with a part 1 EA (fix lot anti-trend) trade a currency pair than I am to use the full strategy as in APG 4.0. The DD of APG 4.0 stays similar to the DD in remoneg78 fix lot anti-trend but the profits are lower in APG 4.0. This is why it is imperative to nail these closing trades that close in negative profit and make them stop. If I knew how to program, I would give it a go. The best I could do is post a message to Ab on this thread but I have had no reply from him and I don't see him online on this thread at this time.

If a coder wants to tinker with the mq4 of APG 4.0 and see if he can program the EA to never close at a loss, it would be appreciated. Voldemar had a setting for this in his EA version and although some closures ended up at sum negative, I think this was due to PA moving quick before all trades closing. Otherwise, I think the function was working fine from what I saw. Almost every trade closed profitable because there was a minimum TP function. I only set this to £1 and seemed to work very well in testing.

Cheers!

Daniel
  • #2,030
  • Apr 5, 2016 1:02pm Apr 5, 2016 1:02pm
Quoting zigler
{quote} Blahh.. Blahh then run Original EA where you have 10's of Orders open in 1 direction and All LOSS.. Yea $50 Big F* DD... Don't use this Version, it's toxic... Let me use it cause I know how...
Are you drunk again.....ha ha ?
  • #2,031
  • Apr 5, 2016 1:04pm Apr 5, 2016 1:04pm
Quoting genasea
JaggWaa and Zigler, JaggWaa, I appreciate you sharing your code, your coding style is very professional. Zigler, while I think your idea has merit, I believe it takes on too much risk vs the reward. Right now, I have the EA fired up on EUR/USD with the same settings you have. It has 2 buys and 3 sells, and is losing $50.17 currently - with all five trades in a loss. You might consider this a 'no loss' system, but taking on 5x risk vs reward (since the trade wins are capped at $10), I am not thinking the same. I did the math on this system, and it...
Dear Genasea, that is great actually. I myself feel like iam hacking Remaons thread, So it would be great to open a new thread. Iam in....
  • #2,032
  • Apr 5, 2016 1:11pm Apr 5, 2016 1:11pm
Zigler, sorry to be so blunt, but if you think a system that has drawdowns in excess of 5 times your winning trades, then your calculator may not working well - since it will take more than an 80% win rate just to break even. You said yourself that you do not do the math, but it can get much worse than this. I do not think pointing out the math will serve any purpose however - you seem very comfortable with your system, so I wish you well.

Since we are all here to have a constructive dialogue, I will go ahead and start another thread. My hope is to have JaggWaa join us, but all are welcome. I do not wish to take away from Remons original idea, as he put a lot of time and effort into this and it is much appreciated ...
  • #2,033
  • Apr 5, 2016 1:14pm Apr 5, 2016 1:14pm
Quoting Forexmeoff
{quote} It gets messy anyway....as it never moves straight down or straight up. So you get orders all over then hope to get out if it trends.
Get messy..??? I can Give you an IDEA, Stick ZIGANDZAG indi on 15 min Chart, Everytime you have an ERROR (UP or DOWN), drop EA

On IT... Generally it's bad Idea to Open Trades on the Middle like PIVOT.. BUT squeezing GRID STEP and lowering TP

can guarantee that even small Move can generate Slight +++ IN the total balance and Exit with profit...
  • #2,034
  • Apr 5, 2016 1:18pm Apr 5, 2016 1:18pm
Quoting genasea
Zigler, sorry to be so blunt, but if you think a system that has drawdowns in excess of 5 times your winning trades, then your calculator may not working well - since it will take more than an 80% win rate just to break even. You said yourself that you do not do the math, but it can get much worse than this. I do not think pointing out the math will serve any purpose however - you seem very comfortable with your system, so I wish you well. Since we are all here to have a constructive dialogue, I will go ahead and start another thread. My hope is...
You have no CLUE what you are talking about! This Version has been released 14 hours ago.. When did you test it???

I don't care what you said... I make money with it.. Constantly.. Yes it's slower in Range but still working... And DD is not exist, compare to

Original Version...
  • #2,035
  • Apr 5, 2016 1:21pm Apr 5, 2016 1:21pm
Quoting genasea
Zigler, sorry to be so blunt, but if you think a system that has drawdowns in excess of 5 times your winning trades, then your calculator may not working well - since it will take more than an 80% win rate just to break even. You said yourself that you do not do the math, but it can get much worse than this. I do not think pointing out the math will serve any purpose however - you seem very comfortable with your system, so I wish you well. Since we are all here to have a constructive dialogue, I will go ahead and start another thread. My hope is...
@genasea

Please do that and attach the link, so interested parties can join your thread.

I wish this thread would settle around Remon's strategy, as it is becoming too chaotic here due to excessive brainstorming and uncrelated discussions.

Firstly, our goal should be to be able to test Remon's "Video Part 2" strategy in its cleanest form, so I suggest holding back the brainstorming at least until we can get through that.
  • #2,036
  • Apr 5, 2016 1:23pm Apr 5, 2016 1:23pm
Quoting keydcuk
{quote} I would gladly put Voldemar in this list as he has actually pioneered part 1 of the strategy.
Yes Brother, You are 1000% right. Sorry i forgot his name. I am really sorry. But you also the real hero of this thread. You have really did the hardwork to master the strategy. Hats off to you brother .
Forex; the game of movements not the game of candles.
  • #2,037
  • Apr 5, 2016 1:24pm Apr 5, 2016 1:24pm
Quoting MasterGuru
{quote} @genasea Please do that and attach the link, so interested parties can join your thread. I wish this thread would settle around Remon's strategy, as it is becoming too chaotic here due to the excessive brainstorming and uncrelated discussions. Firstly, our goal should be to be able to test Remon's "Video Part 2" strategy in its cleanest form, so I suggest holding back the brainstorming at least until we can get through that.
100% agree!
  • #2,038
  • Apr 5, 2016 1:37pm Apr 5, 2016 1:37pm
Hello guys, I think brainstorming is allowed here. Why else would Remon be presently working on the calculator to allow us crate other similar concept. What zigler suggested is an follow up of video 1 and it makes sense. Have tried it and its cool. Do the maths. Let's not limit ourselves in this thought of Remon. It shows there are more opportunities , or why else is Remon coding the calculator.
i have tried to start trades with a trend, now i prefer to follow the trend
  • #2,039
  • Apr 5, 2016 1:45pm Apr 5, 2016 1:45pm
Quoting jereajali
Hello guys, I think brainstorming is allowed here. Why else would Remon be presently working on the calculator to allow us crate other similar concept. What zigler suggested is an follow up of video 1 and it makes sense. Have tried it and its cool. Do the maths. Let's not limit ourselves in this thought of Remon. It shows there are more opportunities , or why else is Remon coding the calculator.
You are right! Brainstorming is allowed and even encouraged on FF. That is the whole purpose of FF!

The "only" technical problem is that after 3 weeks - even with exceptional EA programmers on board like Remon, Voldemar, Abokwaik, JaggWaa - we still do not have a workable EA which would exactly replicate Remon's "Video Part 2" strategy...

In this context all the brainstroming is creating just chaos.
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  • #2,040
  • Apr 5, 2016 1:46pm Apr 5, 2016 1:46pm
No need creating a new thread, we have not left the concept. We are trying to reduce DD while making enough money. Check out Ziglers modification. Yes you risk $50 each time to get $10 and you can do this 15 times in a day with confidence that your account will hardly crash. Two classes that can crash your account here is if you attach it to many charts or I price on market moves in a triangular manner starting buy and sell order without reaching the magic $10
i have tried to start trades with a trend, now i prefer to follow the trend
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