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  • #1,801
  • Apr 4, 2016 7:02am Apr 4, 2016 7:02am
Quoting MasterGuru
{quote} @keydcuk Nope. These were fresh trades with the new AGP_04 EA.
If it was your first basket, I would still go check the dates and data out. In the past, I have ran strategy tester by setting dates of Jan 1st and strategy tester had a mind of it's own and decided to start on December 19th! lol
  • #1,802
  • Apr 4, 2016 7:04am Apr 4, 2016 7:04am
is there any way to get around FIFO restrictions here in the US with this system? i know, i know, open an offshore account or similar. but barring that, iz we citizins of the US just plumb out of luck?
  • #1,803
  • Apr 4, 2016 7:06am Apr 4, 2016 7:06am
Quoting keydcuk
{quote} If it was your first basket, I would still go check the dates and data out. In the past, I have ran strategy tester by setting dates of Jan 1st and strategy tester had a mind of it's own and decided to start on December 19th! lol
@keydcuk

It was a forward test with live data. (All my tests are done with LIVE market data.)
  • #1,804
  • Apr 4, 2016 7:06am Apr 4, 2016 7:06am
Quoting remon78eg
This Is The Visual Virtual Tester, I Made It To Test This Strategy Like On The Paper, Because Testing On Metatrader Will Lead To Wrong Results, And This Tester Can Work On Real Prices Or Our Up And Down Button Hits. I Will Do Some Modifications And Attach it Soon. {image}
This is amazing
  • #1,805
  • Apr 4, 2016 7:08am Apr 4, 2016 7:08am
Quoting MasterGuru
{quote} @keydcuk It was a forward test with live data. (All my tests are done with LIVE market data.)
Oh right!

I noticed though that it is not just Ab's EA that does this. When I was testing Voldemar's EAs I was seeing this too. Can't complain... THEY'RE PIPPING MACHINES! Just want to see the strategy work as it should.

Haven't seen Voldemar for a while. I wonder if he's lost the interest?
  • #1,806
  • Apr 4, 2016 7:08am Apr 4, 2016 7:08am
https://charts.mql5.com/10/743/usdch...al-markets.pngng

Does anyone know why all positions are open a long, Nor even one short.
  • #1,807
  • Apr 4, 2016 7:15am Apr 4, 2016 7:15am
Quoting keydcuk
HA! Just seen my first negative basket closed. As I didn't think it was due to EA, I went to see what I thought the real problem was... IT WAS A MONDAY CLOSING BASKET AFTER A WEEKEND GAP IN THE MARKET THAT MADE THE GRID POSITION SLIGHTLY ASYMMETRICAL TO THE REST! I wonder if this happened in your earlier scenario MG?
There will often be baskets closed negative because of the profit buffer / shared profit
So you have to give some back from time to time
  • #1,808
  • Edited 7:33am Apr 4, 2016 7:21am | Edited 7:33am
Quoting iwjw
{quote} There will often be baskets closed negative because of the profit buffer / shared profit So you have to give some back from time to time
Can you elaborate on this a bit?

I am trying to get an understanding of how the strategy incorporates this.

If you could provide an example with a bit more detail, it would greatly be appreciated.

It's one thing to be elated about this strategy and EA but it is better if I knew why things happen the way they do.

I'm not sure in what you are saying because the whole purpose is to analyse this and to close only in profit.

Any input from anybody else?
  • #1,809
  • Apr 4, 2016 7:26am Apr 4, 2016 7:26am
Quoting Eli3423
https://charts.mql5.com/10/743/usdch...al-markets.pngng Does anyone know why all positions are open a long, Nor even one short.
i believe you will see sell positions once trend go up
  • #1,810
  • Apr 4, 2016 7:30am Apr 4, 2016 7:30am
Quoting mojepole
{quote} i believe you will see sell positions once trend go up
https://charts.mql5.com/10/744/eurus...al-markets.png

I thought so but is not working
  • #1,811
  • Apr 4, 2016 7:33am Apr 4, 2016 7:33am
Quoting keydcuk
{quote} Oh right! I noticed though that it is not just Ab's EA that does this. When I was testing Voldemar's EAs I was seeing this too. Can't complain... THEY'RE PIPPING MACHINES! Just want to see the strategy work as it should. Haven't seen Voldemar for a while. I wonder if he's lost the interest?
I guess he is working on his cash project for Indian investors... At least that is what he mentioned...
  • #1,812
  • Apr 4, 2016 7:37am Apr 4, 2016 7:37am
Quoting MasterGuru
{quote} I guess he is working on his cash project for Indian investors... At least that is what he mentioned...
What is your take on IWJW's comment?

Do you think that it is the strategy's profit buffer and shared profit that will bring occasional baskets to close negatively or do you think there is something in the EA that needs to be scrutinized?
  • #1,813
  • Apr 4, 2016 7:40am Apr 4, 2016 7:40am
Quoting keydcuk
{quote} Can you elaborate on this a bit? I am trying to get an understanding of how the strategy incorporates this. If you could provide an example with a bit more detail, it would greatly be appreciated. It's one thing to be elated about this strategy and EA but it is better if I knew why things happen the way they do. I'm not sure in what you are saying because the whole purpose is to analyse this and to close only in profit. Any input from anybody else?
we got A-side and B-side filled with a few positions while price is moving up
Now there is a pullback of one level and we close the highest position on B together with the lowest (means pricelevel)
Let's assume we made a profit of 20$
Half of that profit goes into a virtual pool
If we now look at the A-Side we want to get rid of the worst position
So we add the profit positions of A plus what's in the pool and this must be >= the negative profit of the worst position
And because of the virtual pool the balance can decrease after the close
  • #1,814
  • Apr 4, 2016 7:45am Apr 4, 2016 7:45am
Quoting iwjw
{quote} we got A-side and B-side filled with a few positions while price is moving up Now there is a pullback of one level and we close the highest position on B together with the lowest (means pricelevel) Let's assume we made a profit of 20$ Half of that profit goes into a virtual pool If we now look at the A-Side we want to get rid of the worst position So we add the profit positions of A plus what's in the pool and this must be >= the negative profit of the worst position And because of the virtual pool the balance can decrease after the close...
Hmmm... seems to be taking a lot of negatives if you are right.

I don't think I fully understand this virtual pool thing. Maybe I need to watch the video YET AGAIN!
  • #1,815
  • Apr 4, 2016 7:49am Apr 4, 2016 7:49am
Quoting keydcuk
{quote} What is your take on IWJW's comment? Do you think that it is the strategy's profit buffer and shared profit that will bring occasional baskets to close negatively or do you think there is something in the EA that needs to be scrutinized?
@keydcuk

Based on "Video Part 2" some countertrend trades can be closed in loss, but ONLY IF these losses are completely balanced out by profits of already closed "trend direction" trades. In other words: losses can (and should) happen only after closed profits.

P.S. @IWJW's explanation is in line with Remon's concept.
  • #1,816
  • Apr 4, 2016 7:53am Apr 4, 2016 7:53am
Quoting MasterGuru
{quote} @keydcuk Based on "Video Part 2" some countertrend trades can be closed in loss, but ONLY IF these losses are completely balanced out by profits of already closed "trend direction" trades. In other words: losses can (and should) happen only after closed profits.
maybe increasing lots with every step using the first lot size will be more helpful
  • #1,817
  • Apr 4, 2016 7:55am Apr 4, 2016 7:55am
Quoting keydcuk
{quote} What is your take on IWJW's comment? Do you think that it is the strategy's profit buffer and shared profit that will bring occasional baskets to close negatively or do you think there is something in the EA that needs to be scrutinized?
Keyduck and MasterGuru, You people really doing an excellent job. I wish i can give you people a party.
Forex; the game of movements not the game of candles.
  • #1,818
  • Apr 4, 2016 8:08am Apr 4, 2016 8:08am
I'm running APG_04 on 3 differents pairs - E/U, U/J and G/U - with differents magic number. I choose pais with high volatility to see how it handle the trades and to check the DD.
I will post the results here tonight with my settings to discuss.

Hope there is no bug because i'm not in font of my PC.

Best regards
JB
  • #1,819
  • Apr 4, 2016 8:21am Apr 4, 2016 8:21am
As the screenshot shows 10 SELL trades have created 1.52 Euros "Recovery Cash" while the floating DD of BUY trades is still increasing.

Once the sum of the top and bottom BUY trades (marked by red arrows) becomes more than "Recovery Cash", the EA is expected to close these BUY trades and we have 1 less "toxic" BUY trade (and 5 more to go).
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  • #1,820
  • Apr 4, 2016 8:24am Apr 4, 2016 8:24am
Quoting Jb38
I'm running APG_04 on 3 differents pairs - E/U, U/J and G/U - with differents magic number. I choose pais with high volatility to see how it handle the trades and to check the DD. I will post the results here tonight with my settings to discuss. Hope there is no bug because i'm not in font of my PC. Best regards JB

What is the meaning of the magic number? Can somebody please explain?
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