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  • #1,241
  • Edited 10:26am Mar 31, 2016 10:01am | Edited 10:26am
Quoting PipBank
Don't confuse the following comments with negativity - I'm heavily into grid strategies and would love to see this work out. The fact of the matter is this: writing an EA that follows the strategy shown in the 'part 2' video is not that difficult - the issue is that the strategy (as described) simply won't work. If you study the 'part 2' video then you'll see that everything's great as long as price trends upward (or bounces within a very small channel), but everything unravels pretty quickly as soon as price begins to drop below the lowest profitable...
@PipBank

I disagree. If you look at "Video Part 2" more carefully you can see that the EA is ABLE come out profitably from heavy DD.

As I have already shown in my Post No. 138 a scenario (see attached below) in which the EA is in -$30/pips NET LOSS - due to the phenomena you have mentioned - but still, it can come out successfully by the end of the Video when price is NOT TRENDING... Which is 70% of the time...

Bottom line:

1. When the market is trending (30% of the time) net floating losses WILL accumulate. No question about it.

2. Hedging will soften the - unavoidable - negative impact of the trends, but of course will not eliminate it. Otherwise it would be the "Holy Grail".

And most importantly:

3. Net profits AND closure of the most toxic trades happen when the market is NOT trending; i.e. 70% of the time.

In my opinion the genius ("edge") of the strategy is taking advantage of this 70% "non-trending" time of the market while being able to survive the trending periods.

This scenarios is at 8:14 of Video Part 2:
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  • #1,242
  • Mar 31, 2016 10:09am Mar 31, 2016 10:09am
for backtest

->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
OrderProfit()+OrderCommission()+OrderSwap()
-↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓

#define _TEST_
#ifdef _TEST_
#define ORDERPROFIT (OrderProfit()-7*OrderLots()-0.10)
#else
#define ORDERPROFIT (OrderProfit()+OrderCommission()+OrderSwap())
#endif

->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
void OnDeinit(const int reason)
{
Comment("\n"
,"AB="+NUM(AccountBalance(),2),"\n"
,"TP="+NUM(TesterStatistics(STAT_GROSS_PROFIT),2),"\n"
,"SP="+NUM(TesterStatistics(STAT_GROSS_LOSS),2),"\n"
,"DD="+NUM(TesterStatistics(STAT_EQUITY_DD),2),"\n"
,"TPF="+NUM(TesterStatistics(STAT_PROFIT_FACTOR),2),"\n"
);
}
  • #1,243
  • Mar 31, 2016 10:13am Mar 31, 2016 10:13am
I've tried remons new EA. result for 6 hours
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  • #1,244
  • Mar 31, 2016 10:14am Mar 31, 2016 10:14am
Quoting MasterGuru
{quote} @usfantasy I was visually observing EQUITY GAIN for the day and when it has reached +5%, I have used a "CloseAll" script. Nevertheless, statistically I am not sure if it was worthwhile or made any difference... Floating pips will be ALWAYS in loss with this EA.
OK thanks.
  • #1,245
  • Mar 31, 2016 10:20am Mar 31, 2016 10:20am
Quoting soeasy69
{quote} I just quickly plopped this EA on my chart. Yes you are right its messed up. Voldemar you should be proud of the EA you posted yesterday is the final one that works as far as I am concerned. Thank You so much for coding it. I doubt that remon can make his better...we shall see.
Which settings you use??
my eq and Profit goes down...
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  • #1,246
  • Edited 11:11am Mar 31, 2016 10:22am | Edited 11:11am
Today's trades: +649 Euros NET profit as of now (also see Trade Explorer).
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  • #1,247
  • Mar 31, 2016 10:30am Mar 31, 2016 10:30am
My Result for 5 Hours...

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I Win, I Lose, It's my Job... And I Love it!
  • #1,248
  • Mar 31, 2016 10:32am Mar 31, 2016 10:32am
Quoting MasterGuru
{quote} @PipBank I disagree. If you look at "Video Part 2" more carefully you can see that the EA is ABLE come out profitably from heavy DD. As I have already shown in my Post No. 138 a scenario (see attached below) in which the EA is in -$30/pips NET LOSS - due to the phenomena you have mentioned - but still, it can come out successfully by the end of the Video when price is NOT TRENDING... Which is 70% of the time... Bottom line: 1. When the market is trending (30% of the time) net floating losses WILL accumulate. No question about it. 2. Hedging...
Heelo, what you think about this idea: upside and downside from the channel we put sellstop and buystop with larger Lots. in a long downtrend the buystop is trigger and with this profit we close the biggest buytrades...!?
  • #1,249
  • Mar 31, 2016 10:32am Mar 31, 2016 10:32am
Quoting MasterGuru
Today's trades: +828 Euros closed profits as of now (also see Trade Explorer). {image}{image}
it looks very good. congratulations
  • #1,250
  • Mar 31, 2016 10:33am Mar 31, 2016 10:33am
Quoting MasterGuru
{quote} @PipBank I disagree. If you look at Video Part 2 more carefully you can see that the EA is ABLE come out profitably from heavy DD. As I have already shown in my Post No. 138 a scenario in which the EA is in -$30/pips NET LOSS - due to the phenomena you have mentioned - but still, it can come out of it successfully when price is NOT TRENDING... Which is 70% of the time... Bottom line: 1. When the market is trending (30% of the time) net floating losses DO and WILL accumulate. No question about it. 2. Hedging will soften the impact of the...
With enough capital, the strategy will come out of any trend eventually, but none of us have the money needed to sit out that flaw in the strategy.

I already built an EA to trade exactly as per the 'part 2' video and that's why I'm saying the concept is incomplete - a 400 / 500 / 600 pip downtrend will destroy a $10k account - even when all positions are 0.01 lots.
  • #1,251
  • Mar 31, 2016 10:38am Mar 31, 2016 10:38am
Quoting eatrade
{quote} Heelo, what you think about this idea: upside and downside from the channel we put sellstop and buystop with larger Lots. in a long downtrend the buystop is trigger and with this profit we close the biggest buytrades...!?
I think that is exactly REMON'S idea but without the "channel" part and without the "preset" sellstop/buystop orders.

In my opinion this strategy works very well in the "channel", too. Furthermore, as I have mentioned in Post 1242 the strategy's "edge" seems to be operating during the non-trending periods, i.e. in the "channel".
  • #1,252
  • Edited 10:51am Mar 31, 2016 10:40am | Edited 10:51am
Quoting PipBank
{quote} With enough capital, the strategy will come out of any trend eventually, but none of us have the money needed to sit out that flaw in the strategy. I already built an EA to trade exactly as per the 'part 2' video and that's why I'm saying the concept is incomplete - a 400 / 500 / 600 pip downtrend will destroy a $10k account - even when all positions are 0.01 lots.
@PipBank

If the concept does not work long term, would you be so kind sharing the EA...?

P.S. As mentioned before, if the account crashes 4x a year, but makes 100% a month, it is still 800% profit a year. In other words: a few crashes "here and there" do not exclude that the EA can make net profit.
  • #1,253
  • Mar 31, 2016 10:41am Mar 31, 2016 10:41am
Quoting Eddd
So ea works well in ranging markets, so if the symbol start trading outside of range than it might be breaking into a trend and possible bad conditions. What if a filter is added where you set a value above and below the range (once one is identified) and if it is broken, all positions can be closed, or at least you will be aware of that, and must start looking for a good place to get out.
So i have modified the EA to so that you can input the top resistance level and the bottom support level, when the the price hits one the ea will close.

- Spot a ranging symbol

- set the support and resistance a couple of pips above and below the trend

- set your step to have a certain amount of steps in the range

and leave it until it closes out.

The EA makes sl and tp on the SR levels chosen, so if the EA stops without closing the positions, there is some protection.
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  • #1,254
  • Mar 31, 2016 10:46am Mar 31, 2016 10:46am
Quoting MasterGuru
{quote} I think that is exactly REMON'S idea but without the "channel" part and without the "preset" sellstop/buystop orders. In my opinion this strategy works very well in the "channel", too. Furthermore, as I have mentioned in Post 1242 the strategy's "edge" seems to be operating during the non-trending periods, i.e. in the "channel".
Yes, im invest in a pamm with Hourglass Strategie this works over 3 Years now, this Year the Team add a EA now and works very well and fast. EA use first EQ. to build Channel , was 20000$ Down and some Days later 50000$ Profit. But the EA is Top Secret....
  • #1,255
  • Mar 31, 2016 10:59am Mar 31, 2016 10:59am
what can i say
10k account steel growing pips, 5 pairs, two of them with fix lot, DD its free from initial account balance
+45%
GJ its a real mashine of making pips, fixlot EA, its have DD, but is less than profit fore shure.
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  • #1,256
  • Mar 31, 2016 11:04am Mar 31, 2016 11:04am
Voldemar is the great EA traders!

Using this settings...

In less than a day its made BANK!!!

The most I seen in DD was $500

Now up $1,000
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  • #1,257
  • Mar 31, 2016 11:10am Mar 31, 2016 11:10am
Quoting soeasy69
Voldemar is the great EA traders! Using this settings... In less than a day its made BANK!!! The most I seen in DD was $500 Now up $1,000 {image} {image}
what pair is this?
in my vew, the best one is audusd
  • #1,258
  • Mar 31, 2016 11:11am Mar 31, 2016 11:11am
Quoting soeasy69
Voldemar is the great EA traders! Using this settings... In less than a day its made BANK!!! The most I seen in DD was $500 Now up $1,000 {image} {image}
Which the version fo the system are you using , will you give us the link or the .mql or ex4 file?
  • #1,259
  • Mar 31, 2016 11:24am Mar 31, 2016 11:24am
I'm looking forward to try this part 2 EA but am too busy at the moment trying some settings on the part1 EA. I've got this baby in BUY&SELL mode and I am thoroughly impressed of it's capabilities as is.

SAYING THIS, I am more eager to see what Mr Remon will come up with when he presents HIS EA.

Let's get this straight guys, I'm not going to quote the person who praised Voldermar and then off the back said that he doubted Mr Remon would come up with something as good. THIS IS BAD!

Who started this thread? THANK YOU MR. REMON! YOUR EFFORTS ARE IMMENSELYAPPRECIATED!!!

Both Remon and Voldermar have been a great help in this development. There is no need to say one is better than another.

We are all here to collaborate where we can and how we can, whether it's a little or a lot.

THANK YOU TO ALL OF YOU! Even if all you ever did was post just even once!

My 2 cents.

Daniel
  • #1,260
  • Mar 31, 2016 11:28am Mar 31, 2016 11:28am
Quoting keydcuk
I'm looking forward to try this part 2 EA but am too busy at the moment trying some settings on the part1 EA. I've got this baby in BUY&SELL mode and I am thoroughly impressed of it's capabilities as is. SAYING THIS, I am more eager to see what Mr Remon will come up with when he presents HIS EA. Let's get this straight guys, I'm not going to quote the person who praised Voldermar and then off the back said that he doubted Mr Remon would come up with something as good. THIS IS BAD! Who started this thread? THANK YOU MR. REMON! YOUR EFFORTS ARE IMMENSELYAPPRECIATED!!!...We are all here to collaborate where we can and how we can, whether it's a little or a lot.
Well said! That is what FF is about.
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