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  • #11,761
  • Jan 10, 2016 11:50pm Jan 10, 2016 11:50pm
70c for a 5 buck vert is as good as 15c for a $1 spread
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  • #11,762
  • Jan 11, 2016 12:14am Jan 11, 2016 12:14am
Hi, anyone trade DAX options here? I would like to ask what is the margin requirement for EUREX for 1 standard dax contract = EUR 25 per index points. I mean if a naked call.
  • #11,763
  • Jan 11, 2016 2:15am Jan 11, 2016 2:15am
I don't know about that, China - maybe somebody else here can help, or you might find it on a futures broker's website....
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  • #11,764
  • Jan 11, 2016 2:31am Jan 11, 2016 2:31am
Quoting ChinaTraderz
Hi, anyone trade DAX options here? I would like to ask what is the margin requirement for EUREX for 1 standard dax contract = EUR 25 per index points. I mean if a naked call.
Depends.....right now a Jan 9800 Call for instance has a Margin Requirement of 4366 at my Broker (Interactive Brokers). 1 Point = 5

A Feb 10500 Call for Instance has 3260...
  • #11,765
  • Jan 11, 2016 2:33am Jan 11, 2016 2:33am
Quoting Schmidt
{quote} Depends.....right now a Jan 9800 Call for instance has a Margin Requirement of 4366 at my Broker (Interactive Brokers). 1 Point = 5
I am going to use Interactive Brokers as well but IB with 5 multipliers isn't it? Which means each contract is at EURO 25 right? You mean you can have 1 point for EUR 5?
  • #11,766
  • Jan 11, 2016 2:36am Jan 11, 2016 2:36am
Quoting The Fool
I don't know about that, China - maybe somebody else here can help, or you might find it on a futures broker's website....
Thanks anyway mate. Schmidt help me with my question especially he is using IB as well. This is because I use IG previously and now have to use IB as I work in a new China prop company. I also blur when I read on IB there, it is written multiplier 5, so I thought a minimum of EUR 25 per contract.
  • #11,767
  • Jan 11, 2016 3:16am Jan 11, 2016 3:16am
Quoting ChinaTraderz
{quote} Thanks anyway mate. Schmidt help me with my question especially he is using IB as well. This is because I use IG previously and now have to use IB as I work in a new China prop company. I also blur when I read on IB there, it is written multiplier 5, so I thought a minimum of EUR 25 per contract.
DAX Future = €25/Point
DAX Mini Future = €5/Point
DAX Options = €5/Point
  • #11,768
  • Jan 11, 2016 3:20am Jan 11, 2016 3:20am
Quoting Schmidt
{quote} DAX Future = 25/Point DAX Mini Future = 5/Point DAX Options = 5/Point
Thank you so much mate, really helpful from your information. I know that DAX do have mini future, but I thought Options same as Future EURO 25 as it is written there with multiplier 5. I should ask here earlier then I won't be headache anymore because money management need to be run on 300k account if with EUR 25 per point.
  • #11,769
  • Jan 11, 2016 3:27am Jan 11, 2016 3:27am
Quoting Schmidt
{quote} DAX Future = 25/Point DAX Mini Future = 5/Point DAX Options = 5/Point
1 more question mate. It will reduce margin as well isn't it if position is on covered call.
  • #11,770
  • Jan 11, 2016 3:48am Jan 11, 2016 3:48am
Margin Requirements are less on covered calls.

What is your Trading Platform? Do you use TWS?
If so, you can click on New Window - Strategy Builder

When you click on some contract the Window will show you the margin Impact at the bottom.
  • #11,771
  • Jan 11, 2016 3:51am Jan 11, 2016 3:51am
Quoting Schmidt
Margin Requirements are less on covered calls. What is your Trading Platform? Do you use TWS? If so, you can click on New Window - Strategy Builder When you click on some contract the Window will show you the margin Impact at the bottom.
Oh I see. I also just downloaded TWS today. Still waiting for the account to be funded on IB now. Probably by tomorrow or latest will start on Wednesday on IB. Haven't done any research with TWS yet because couldn't login yet.
  • #11,772
  • Jan 11, 2016 4:00am Jan 11, 2016 4:00am
Quoting ChinaTraderz
{quote} Oh I see. I also just downloaded TWS today. Still waiting for the account to be funded on IB now. Probably by tomorrow or latest will start on Wednesday on IB. Haven't done any research with TWS yet because couldn't login yet.
You'll have to get used to the TWS, definitely not the best Charting Software. But it has all I need and a lot of features. You can not use MT4 with IB. So if you need better charting software, you need something like Ninja Trader.
  • #11,773
  • Jan 11, 2016 6:37am Jan 11, 2016 6:37am
Quoting The Fool
{quote} /CL last had a day around $49.50-$51 on 10/9, when USO ranged right around $16, so you're right about that. I am looking for another leg down for wti, a break of $30, which would drop USO down to $8.50 or so. I am gonna try to wait on that, & I think it will be good to catch that kind of low because I don't think we will have a huge v-bottom, just a bounce to wti $55 or so in Q2......oil is a real tough call and I am not putting all my huevos in that basket....I already lost money (not much) on long oil exactly a year ago....
Have a pending for the USO 20 calls Jan '17 @ .10 in case of spike...that's probably being a bit too hopeful

Depending on how quick we find this bottom, may move out to '18

If $25 hits I'm pretty sure it'll be gobbled up pretty quick, dont expect it to linger long
  • #11,774
  • Jan 11, 2016 9:05am Jan 11, 2016 9:05am
Quoting Pharm0r
{quote} Have a pending for the USO 20 calls Jan '17 @ .10 in case of spike...
well, you're in the hunt - watch the Jan'17 and earlier chains - you may be able to make a spread - you could sell an earlier month $20 call for $0.10 or more to make a calendar - IF USO puts on some gains....doing so you'd at least nullify your debit or lock in small gains....if you could make a wide calendar at $20 the b/e would be (see below)....if you waited til expiry (Jul as shown) you might make a little money @ USO> $15 on your free trade, then you could look to sell calls again....
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  • #11,775
  • Jan 11, 2016 9:11am Jan 11, 2016 9:11am
Quoting Schmidt
You'll have to get used to the TWS,
thanks for your responses Schmidt - are you trading options?
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  • #11,776
  • Jan 11, 2016 9:30am Jan 11, 2016 9:30am
I see FF started making the weekly EIA crude storage number a "red" release....it used to be "orange"....
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  • #11,777
  • Jan 11, 2016 9:39am Jan 11, 2016 9:39am
TWS is a bear.

Especially compared to TOS.....mine is up and running smoothly now after windows 10 released an update.

Have my roth/forex on IB, chart via mt4 on another broker, and equities/options on td ameritrade......during news things can get crazy quick, but I hardly trade options or equities, that will change this year. Hopefully my computer doesnt burst into flames
  • #11,778
  • Jan 11, 2016 9:40am Jan 11, 2016 9:40am
Quoting The Fool
{quote} well, you're in the hunt - watch the Jan'17 and earlier chains - you may be able to make a spread - you could sell an earlier month $20 call for $0.10 or more to make a calendar - IF USO puts on some gains....doing so you'd at least nullify your debit or lock in small gains....if you could make a wide calendar at $20 the b/e would be (see below)....if you waited til expiry (Jul as shown) you might make a little money @ USO> $15 on your free trade, then you could look to sell calls again.... {image}
Having to refresh my noggin on complex options strategies.

Any place you prefer to read from?
  • #11,779
  • Jan 11, 2016 10:06am Jan 11, 2016 10:06am
Quoting The Fool
{quote} thanks for your responses Schmidt - are you trading options?
Sometimes. I daytrade Futures and Forex, but last weekend I was holding CL Puts for instance....felt better holding Puts than shorting Futures over the weekend. I'm barely trading Option Strategies.

Not too experienced with that.
  • #11,780
  • Jan 11, 2016 11:07am Jan 11, 2016 11:07am
Quoting Schmidt
{quote} DAX Future = 25/Point DAX Mini Future = 5/Point DAX Options = 5/Point
Exactly... I used to trade DAX options on IB also, but I don't like their working time.
DAX options seems to be options on DAX cash index, and that is why they have different multiplier and working time.
Hope is dangerous in this game.
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