Astro based Turning Points known in Advance

it is giving anticipation.. along with other methods if buy or sell confirmed means its good... 3 times i predict up side move and as it is gone when golden bar appears... but one time i got locked because our indian market closed and golden bar appears.. remaining time global markets running and moved up when i holded short position.. but later i cover at cost.. but it is crash the mt4 so i went to format sys and after that i am not using

[quote=jnevins;8655091]{quote} Abhay has referred to the turning points lines as being energetic points.. not a prediction of which direction the market will go. Oftentimes it is a reversal, but not always. How many ways can a trend change direction? Let's see... up >down down >up sideways > up sideways > down down > sideways up > sideways Now, depending on what the market hours are, news events, etc., price action can be slow or fast. His advice to be patient and wait for price action to reveal itself by crossing a trendline is the best, and probably only way to trade with these turning points. W.D. Gann is


Totally and utterly correct, I have studied this full time now for about 9 years, Gann was also using mathematics and astrology together not in isolation. I have also rediscovered the work of Gann and simplified his astro work to show me exactly when and where a market might turn, coupled together with Ganns law of vibration that works if you understand how to use it and why you can accurately predict turns in the markets, price is time and time therefore is also price. If you can grasp this concept you will understand what Gann was up to. Gann was a genius, and he certainly knew how the markets worked.

Hurst,
I agree with you about Gann.......a genius. Having said that I have never been able to get my mind around his concepts strong
enough to put a trading method together. I have read some of his works, but still the light is not bright enough for me to follow
his path. I have read Tunnel Thru The Air, but again found nothing I could use. Not doubting the clues are there, but they escape
me. Since you have been a student for nine years I would greatly appreciate you pointing me in a direction that might just
enlighten me to the ways of Gann & his methods. What path should I take?

Many good trades to you my friend.
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The last thing I want is to start a discussion on the merits of Gann but for all the newbies who like to believe in market secrets and discoveries, I would point out the following.

Alexander Elder interviewed W.D. Gann’s son who was then an analyst for a Boston bank.
“He told me that his famous father could not support his family by trading but earned his living by writing and selling instructional courses. When W.D. Gann died in the 1950s, his estate, including his house, was valued at slightly over $100,000".

"The issue of W.D Gann fortune is a very controversial. Gann’s son John told anyone who asked that his father was a swindler and a fraud who made his money by charging thousands of dollars for trading seminars, and that rather than being left millions of dollars his family was left with a modest inheritance. Gann’s supporters point to the soured relationship mentioned above son as a reason for the statements he made. It could be easy to say John Gann had a bad relationship with is father that is why he rubbished his trading techniques. If there was a fortune even if John Gann was cut out of the will it would be logical John Gann and the rest of the family would take the matter to court. There is no evidence of any court cases over W.D. Gann’s estate. This indicates there must be some truth in what John Gann is saying. The estate of W.D Gann was modest and certainly not a fortune".

Absolutely no independent verification exists to prove that Gann ever made a penny from trading. He might have been the greatest trader of all time but there is no evidence whatsoever to support that whereas there is quite a lot of proof that he made money from selling courses and books.

Caveat emptor.

Generally Gann is not for newbies.That comes from the work involved to make any progress at all in this field.For a newbie it suffices to understand that there was someone once a time that made enough effort to understand how the markets work. It is personal choice whether you "believe" he was just a salesman of courses. You need to take up the study yourself to see whether there is merit to the ideas associated with the name. The courses to me for example are rubbish, maybe ten sentences in there are useful.My personal opinion is that the courses are nothing but a cheap version of the knowledge he truly had.There is also the problem of Gann choosing fancy names for his concepts which lead to all those fancy ideas floating around by people believing they understand Gann.Law of Vibration,4th dimension,Master Time Factor are confusing names for actually clear cut methods.The trouble is that it takes many many hours of precious life-time to understand these methods and hardly anybody is willing to throw that out to the public. Then there is also a rather strange aspect that comes with understanding of some of his methods in that they touch upon themes from religion and metaphysics,things you simply do not talk about.

I am back... and we had a very good SELL trade at the break of trendline at the turning point..

3 Turning Points gave average 15-20 pips each..

Gann was not a fraud

I am incline to agree, but with the vale of secrecy surrounding his methods one has got to wonder.
I have his book "Tunnel Thru The Air" & have read it 5 times, but the light has still not come on for me & his
methods. If you are willing to point me in the right direction......the path to take...... I will travel there on my own.
Not wanting a hand out, but just show me the path. I think there are many traders around the world that want to
know more about Gann & his methods, but have given up. I have not given up, but it is not what I focus on as I use
to.
Early on in my quest for more Gann knowledge I discovered Gann Square of Nine. Simplistic in design & to use.
Today I used it to take 30 pips from that move down on EUR/USD just before the New Year holiday close. I want, but
I could write a page on how to use Gann Square of Nine. Most traders are probably well aware of the Square of Nine
& its use. My question is why if the Square of Nine is that simplistic.........why are Gann's other methods so cloaked in
mystery? Have used the Square of Nine for over 2 years & it works. Not all the time, but it works.

Not meaning to rant, but just sharing my views. Any light you are willing to shed on MR. Gann & his methods would
be most appreciate by me & maybe others too.

Happy New Year to you & all who visit this thread.

"It Is Better To Light a Candle Than To Curse The Darkness"
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AceTrader

Abhay,

Thank your for sharing your hard work. May the pips rain down on your in 2016 my friend.

Happy new year to mr abhay and all here.

Happy New Year,

What you have to do with this book is look at the dates and times referenced and sit with an ephemeris and a SQ9 chart

While he laces the book with numerous references to “wheels within wheels,” possibly a loose allusion to the “clothed in veiled language” spiral of the Square-of-9, he discusses none of the tools required for cracking this book’s secret.
Without an application of the Square, its angles and the era’s cotton chart, it is impossible to analyze Gordon’s trades. It appears that a great deal of the material Gann said is in the book is missing. He does send this signal on page 78, where, in capital font, he boldly tells the reader that “it is not my aim to explain the cause of cycles.” He then adds, rather patronizingly, that “the general public is not yet ready for it and probably would not understand or believe it if I explained it.”
To put the puzzle together, we must refer to Gann’s Master Commodities Course, as well as plot a chart of Gordon’s trades.
On page 331 of the Master Commodities Course, Gann vaguely refers to the Square, saying: It is “important because nine digits are used for measuring everything. If we divide 360 degrees by nine, we get 40, which measures 40 degrees, 40 days, 40 weeks and 40 months, and shows why bottoms often come out on angles measuring one-ninth of the circle.
In Chapters 5A and 5B of the course, Gann elaborates upon the strength of the 180- and 360-degree angles, saying: “the 360-degree angle is strong because it ends the circle and returns to the beginning degree, and because it is opposite the 180-degree — the angle that equals half of the circle. As summer becomes hot and winter reaches frigid temperature extremes, 182 days later, so too does stock market action reach volatile extremes.” This is as far as Gann had ever gone to show the connection between the Square-of-9 and its 180- and 360-degree angles.
He had most certainly extrapolated from stories in the Bible that the seven years of famine followed by another seven years of plenty, and the 40 nights and 40 days of the Great Flood, indicate a 360-degree revolution of time. Eager to find a calendar-calculator capable of measuring time, and track the angular positions of spans, Gann turned to astrology where he discovered the zodiac’s cosmic clock — his Square’s prototype. It was humanity’s first instrument designed to track the movements of the sun, moon and the arrangement of planets that ancient civilizations used for maritime navigation at night and in projecting a river’s ebb and flow. Gann’s version of the zodiac navigates the ups and downs of markets.

My advice is pull all the dates out and look at what was happening astronomically on those dates, also look at the cycles he talks about. He made it hard because he wanted the people that read it to be his intellectual equal. Get the charts from that period and draw all the references he made on them. Then you can see why he made them.

Abhay : Thank you for sharing the knowledge and your time.

Hi abhay thankyou for your thread,are your Astro Turning Points based on the same concepts as Steve Copan's Market Matrix?
I notice he mentions Gann in his introductory video

Steve Copan Market matrix is a complete scam, it does not work, the turning points are miles out and he then uses elliot waves and fib number counting as an overlay. Pure and absolute crap, you will spend hour drawing turning points and coloured lines on your chart only to wonder do you ignore weekends or include them. I personally know that in his video course he used data that was already known to draw his delta points, knowing where the market was going to turn give you a great ability to plot your data points using what ever bullshit reason you want to draw the dots in the right place.

I actually bought the course as did many others a scam of the highest order. Avoid if possible.

Other scammers are Larry Pesavento having paid him to teach me his method, I got email after email with his patterns on, each one failed. I asked him how he made money, his reply was he was busy promoting his book in China and did not have time to answer my mail. I told him his patterns were a crock of shit and he could remove me from his mailing list. Larry talks about embracing your losing trades, you certainly will if you follow his method.

Robert Minor, a good frend of Pesavento so you can guess whats coming next, having met traders that used his method and really studied it, not one I know is trading now, in fact all the guys I know that used his methods are working, because yes you guessed it its another crock of shite. My new years mission is to keep the new traders away from the parasites that keep turning out methods that do not work so they can finance their lives. Not one of these clowns will show you a real trading account, because they don't make money trading.

Hi Abhay; spent quite a bit of time with Hinduism in the form of the "Hare Krishna" movement - and learned about and studied Vedic astrology. Are you using Vedic or western - just curious. For me it is not safe to use gmail, so I sent you a private message. The reason is that I am in the us - and everything is tracked by google; I don't want them to know anything unnecessary. (; My two accounts are unauthorized to use the indicator. Now back to reading. Subscribed.

Here is an excellent discussion about Gann's "Square of 9" on Mattei's blog, "Gann Master Trader"... he is Romanian so you'll have to let Google translate it for you...

http://gannmasterforex.blogspot.com/...tul-lui-9.html

"For those passionate about Gann analysis techniques, there is no secret that he used and developed mathematical techniques, astronomical, astrological, numerological as well. Probably one of the most difficult concepts to understand in Gann techniques is the "vibration"."

A good demonstration of using the square for EUR/USD....

Happy New Year & Thank You. I will look into what you have shared. It is obvious you had spent many hours in the study of Gann. Yes the
trading arena is full of scam artist seeking to extract money from those trying to learn. I stopped buying into their lies long ago. Square of Nine
is part of my trading & it works. Thank you for sharing your knowledge. I will always be interested in learning more about Gann & his ways.
If you know of anything else I can dig into to learn more..............feel free to share it.
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His example is great and I would advise you all to study it, I am also going to see how it can be used to extract the correct vibration because I personally think this was one of Ganns most powerful tools, this tool actually gives you all the answers, if you have the correct mindset you will experiment with it, and you will start to see the rules that the markets follow.

All that type of movements are useless if your desire is to touch the deeper essence of spirituality... What I do is neither of those streams of astrology. I have been meditating for long time. As a result of that one day was sitting with my mind clear without clutter and I was looking at something and just then a thought/idea crossed my mind and that opened the door...