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  • #61
  • Dec 3, 2015 2:28am Dec 3, 2015 2:28am
Hedged yesterday Euro Dollar during its kinda volatile early stage, got in at an ok spot, and then exited long side when the movement started. Came out ontop with a better position than if I'd waited, and with much less stress. It works just fine.
  • #62
  • Dec 3, 2015 2:59am Dec 3, 2015 2:59am
Quoting klaarmann
Hedged yesterday Euro Dollar during its kinda volatile early stage, got in at an ok spot, and then exited long side when the movement started. Came out ontop with a better position than if I'd waited, and with much less stress. It works just fine.
Nice klaarmann!

Would you find the time to elaborate further on the trade you took? Some details, maybe a quick chart showing what you did?
The reason i ask, is because somehow i feel you made money due to reading the situation correctly and not because you hedged!
rgds
SK
  • #63
  • Dec 3, 2015 3:51am Dec 3, 2015 3:51am
I use hedging to cut my losses on open trades, usually on a trending market to protect my assets from price correction and sometime profit from it as well.
  • #64
  • Dec 3, 2015 3:55am Dec 3, 2015 3:55am
When I have time I do as youve asked, and you are correct in that I figured out what was going to happen, but I knew that it had a chance to be volatile give the news about interest rates and the and such... so I took a hedge instead of a stop loss as to not get stopped out ... and then waited for the movement... lucky for me it was not too crazy... prob will get that crazy later on this month lol. but yea ill post a chart later and show more details.
  • #65
  • Dec 3, 2015 5:14am Dec 3, 2015 5:14am
Quoting yonnie
yes nubcake, even you don't know everything - we learn every day - hopefully you do too.....
I can't tell if you are being sarcastic or are being serious. But knowing that I'm on the illustrious Factory I have to assume you have no idea what you just read and are trying to be genuine.

Y'know, when I leave the house I lock the door... but then I think back to all the wisdom on FF and realize that the secret to a safe home is actually locking it then unlocking it, and when I return home I should lock it and then unlock it again. It makes complete factory sense . I'm so glad to be able to learn so much from all of you great intellects. The wisdom here pervades my life, and it's so much better for it. Tomorrow I'm going to take-up sniffing glue and staring directly at the sun.

Why is this thread a) a thing that exists? and b) still going?

Can we please move on to something much more important, such as ensuring everyone spells broker as "br0ker", because misspelling such a mystic word prevents them from hunting your stops and stealing gas out of your car.
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  • #66
  • Dec 3, 2015 9:20am Dec 3, 2015 9:20am
Quoting nubcake
{quote} So what you are saying is... you close your position. Am I reading this right? Have we now gone full-circle and the new secret nedging technique is all about closing a position? For years and years it has been argued that nedging is just masturbatory nonsense that equates to being flat. And now this new secret technique that "some traders" use is... BEING FLAT! That's not a technique that some traders use - ALL traders use it. Being out of the market is a position, but holding 2 opposing tickets on your terminal is just a wank and a half...
I wonder....don't you find it rather difficult going through life with those blinders on all the time? Driving must be tough:

Officer: So what happened sir?
nubcake: I never saw her Officer...she came out of nowhere...I was changing lanes...she should have gotten out of my way.
Officer: Um...sir...you know you are wearing blinders?
nubcake: What blinders?
Officer: Here's your ticket sir.
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  • #67
  • Dec 3, 2015 9:25am Dec 3, 2015 9:25am
Quoting zznbrm
{quote} I wonder....don't you find it rather difficult going through life with those blinders on all the time? Driving must be tough: Officer: So what happened sir? nubcake: I never saw her Officer...she came out of nowhere...I was changing lanes...she should have gotten out of my way. Officer: Um...sir...you know you are wearing blinders? nubcake: What blinders? Officer: Here's your ticket sir. {image}
The blinders are to block out all of the bullshit from the mouth-breathers.

I notice (you are so tricky tricky tricky) you didn't address your highly prized nedging technique of closing the trade. Either you've misrepresented yourself and should do better, or I misunderstood and you are avoiding clarifying, or you are a fool and now realize it so are trying to dodge it.
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  • #68
  • Dec 3, 2015 11:59am Dec 3, 2015 11:59am
hey nubcake.........now I remember why I put you on ignore in 2013 with your mates bluesteele and lillelise
  • #69
  • Dec 3, 2015 12:16pm Dec 3, 2015 12:16pm
Quoting yonnie
hey nubcake.........now I remember why I put you on ignore in 2013 with your mates bluesteele and lillelise
Congratulations? There's plenty of retards who put me on ignore. I'm sure there's no reason why you can't be one too.

I'm sure we can all sit here and discuss the merits of who put who on ignore first and why. Or you fools could find it in yourselves to accept and acknowledge that nedging is a fools game that you have played-into with fervor. You are literally giving your money to your brokers, all for the privilege of confusing yourselves.

And make no mistake, you aren't confusing the rest of us. It's very clear what you are doing, and why, and why it's so sad that you think you are doing something clever, let alone something so deeply silly at best and outright deluded at worst.
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  • #70
  • Dec 7, 2015 7:36am Dec 7, 2015 7:36am
I don't "nedge" to reduce expose or as an alternative to a stoploss, but I do enter both long and shorts on the same pair, which I suppose is the same as "nedging". If I'm short and my system gives me a long signal, I enter and let the winner of the two trades run. I guess I could close the short, and set up pending orders to cover a drop below my long stoploss or a rise above my original short stoploss, but the difficulty with this is it's fiddly and it messes with my tracking/trade analysis, as it's hard to tell what the risk was for each individual entry signal. For this convenience/simplicity I realise I pay an extra spread, but makes it much easier from an order entry perspective and a tracking perspective, and on a longer timeframe the extra spread doesn't hurt too much.
  • #71
  • Dec 22, 2015 5:49pm Dec 22, 2015 5:49pm
quote:
I know only my story, where SL was used against me. Lost $30, 2 weeks later it had been in $600 profit.
Defining the game as mathematical mislead me. Ones I started to see it as ideological gamble my mindset changed. As soon I enter a bet, the devil wants to take it. His best tool is SL. The retail traders, who claim success all started to avoid SL after they got burned all the time.
/end quote.

Hedging is not for scalpers and day "traders". They lose anyways. This technique enables you to move an existing position away if (of course) the price goes into the other direction. It may take a long time to turn it profitable, but the same time is enough for the SLs to grind of all your capital. This isn't a mathematical game, but a gamble against the "casino".
  • #72
  • Dec 23, 2015 2:18pm Dec 23, 2015 2:18pm
Quoting nubcake
Nedging is never useful. Or should I say, nuseful. Yeah, that's it. Nedging is nuseful you nucking netards. Get it in your thick heads, please. Opening a long and a short at the same time on the same pair is like wearing two condoms to hump a Hasselhoff pillow. You've paid twice for the privilege with no actual payoff and are just embarrassing yourself when you admit it to the public.
nubcake, my advise to you is to think twice. start thinking and you will find the extra powers hedging delivers. i do hope you are not expecting me to serve and digest all the benefits of hedging, for you are lazy to think them over, don't you? you just have no idea how wrong you and the rest with that mind set are...

using hedging, you will never, ever, lose a trading session. it is impossible to lose a trade. focus over that one only: it is impossible to lose a trade. how about if you never lose a trade? whatever the direction might be? totally eliminate the guess work? never suffer from final stop losses? i am sure you can do better than that. put your brain into thinking and you will find it out. good luck!
Maadik Hugiis. IQ 69.
  • #73
  • Dec 23, 2015 6:03pm Dec 23, 2015 6:03pm
Quoting MoneyZilla
{quote} nubcake, my advise to you is to think twice. start thinking and you will find the extra powers hedging delivers. i do hope you are not expecting me to serve and digest all the benefits of hedging, for you are lazy to think them over, don't you? you just have no idea how wrong you and the rest with that mind set are... using hedging, you will never, ever, lose a trading session. it is impossible to lose a trade. focus over that one only: it is impossible to lose a trade. how about if you never lose a trade? whatever the direction might be?...
With posts like that I advise you to think once before advising others to think twice. I bet you believe yourself, too.

What a fucking joke.
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  • #74
  • Dec 23, 2015 7:10pm Dec 23, 2015 7:10pm
I don't get your example and your scenarios do not represent the same exposure over the same time.
  • #75
  • Dec 23, 2015 7:40pm Dec 23, 2015 7:40pm
Quoting Kilian19
{quote} I don't get your example and your scenarios do not represent the same exposure over the same time.
That's because none of these retards have any idea what they are doing. Literally, no idea.
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  • #76
  • Dec 23, 2015 7:54pm Dec 23, 2015 7:54pm
hedging is good for brokers and middleman.
  • #77
  • Dec 23, 2015 9:58pm Dec 23, 2015 9:58pm
Quoting theprofessor
{quote} Can you look at the picture and point out what is wrong about it?
This topic has BEEN DONE TO DEATH. All that is left is to pity idiots like you... Professor. If you can't figure-out how you are so wrong, despite the thousands of posts on this one stupid fucking topic, then that's on you.

You seem to think you have it figured-out, whereas I know for a fact you don't. Go put some work in, and get off the forum.

Forex hedging / nedging is the litmus test for who are THE most uninformed people in the muppet wannabe trader realm. You win a pony.

Hopefully some day some of you will figure-out that claiming to save the spread cost... ever... IS FUCKING IMPOSSIBLE AS A RETAIL FOREX TRADER. None of you muppets are market makers. Get it in your thick heads.
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  • #78
  • Dec 23, 2015 11:09pm Dec 23, 2015 11:09pm
Quoting theprofessor
Here is a picture. {image}
In my interpretation they are not the same.
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  • #79
  • Dec 24, 2015 12:33am Dec 24, 2015 12:33am
This thread is funny.
Quoting theprofessor
Here is a picture. {image}
You are basically trying to illustrate that apples make better baby food by comparing mushed apples to a whole orange.
  • #80
  • Dec 30, 2015 6:53pm Dec 30, 2015 6:53pm
Quoting Kilian19
{quote} In my interpretation they are not the same. {image}
Mathematically looks the same, but gambling is not about that.
With sl players keep loosing. Hedging gives an opportunity to move the bet away. Or play an other range.

Illustrating how to win in a losing game is not correct. Hedging is to stop losses. SL is to realize it.
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