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  • #20,141
  • Nov 24, 2015 4:30pm Nov 24, 2015 4:30pm
Quoting maximinus
{quote} http://tass.ru/en/politics/838825 This guy is smart, appreciates how he tries to isolate Turkey from Nato relatively to this inciedent.



thanks for sharing
  • #20,142
  • Nov 24, 2015 4:39pm Nov 24, 2015 4:39pm
Quoting infinitus
what a farce the presidential election in the US is. It begs the question: do the people of the USA get what they deserve? Hey, get on your lazy feet and get back the spirit of your founding fathers........ What a nightmare, when nearly only idiots run for the president-job Carsonnochio Strikes Again - "Walks Back" Comments He Saw Muslims Cheering On 9/11

what a clown he is:

Trump On Waterboarding: "You Bet Your Ass I'd Approve It, Even If It Doesn't Work"


When I get him in my hands I might show him how waterboarding would work on him


And than this:

Trump: 'I always felt that I was in the military' - POLITICO

Kind of megalomania?
  • #20,143
  • Nov 24, 2015 4:44pm Nov 24, 2015 4:44pm
US Backed "Rebels" Execute Russian Pilots While Parachuting, Caught On Tape

  • #20,144
  • Nov 24, 2015 4:45pm Nov 24, 2015 4:45pm
Russia Deploys Warship Off Syrian Coast To "Destroy Any Threats To Russian Planes"
  • #20,145
  • Nov 25, 2015 3:59am Nov 25, 2015 3:59am
Quoting infinitus
{quote} Russia made a bad mistake - the SU is a bomber - why did they sent a bomber without fighter protection into warzone? That is not the way it should be done properly. Would the SU have been acompanied by two fighter jets, the Turks would have not dared to down the SU
Agree, that is common sense to do, however the reason why they probably didnt send fighters with it is becouse theoretically those bombers dont really have threat that could take them down. There is no actual enemy fighter jets for them in air (unless they backstab like Turkey did), so thats probably why they dont use follow-ups.
  • #20,146
  • Edited 5:13am Nov 25, 2015 4:51am | Edited 5:13am
Quoting infinitus
{quote} Oh wow, EURUSD at 3% bulls, Copper 7% and Crude 12%

There was weakness on USD but it seem already recovered/neutralized with easy,
other thing worth to consider is USD haven't record climax although it's touched level 100.

I think there is 2 possibility for next move :

1) we might see climax soon above 100/101 area, or
2) break above 100 and continue up without reverse (maybe 100 tested from above)

in either case EU long atm. is vulnerable to some kind of shake out.. imo.
  • #20,147
  • Nov 25, 2015 5:19am Nov 25, 2015 5:19am
Quoting infinitus
{quote} Russia made a bad mistake - the SU is a bomber - why did they sent a bomber without fighter protection into warzone? That is not the way it should be done properly. Would the SU have been acompanied by two fighter jets, the Turks would have not dared to down the SU
Ministry of Energy: During unpowered Crimea: the shipment of coal in Ukraine is already suspended.
Gazprom: gas supplies to Ukraine ceased to receipt of payment.

3.Medvedev: the direct consequence would be to avoid a number of important joint projects of Turkish companies and the loss of their positions on the Russian market and a boycott of the sale of tours to Turkey
4 Putin: S-400 will be transferred to Syria
5.Prorabatyvaetsya option transfer of tactical missile systems (PTRC) "Iskander-M" in the 102nd Russian military base in Armenia (Gyumri)
6. The Russian Defense Ministry: All actions in Syria strike aircraft will be carried out only under cover of fighter planes.
7.MO RF: Measures will be taken to strengthen the defense. To this end, the cruiser "Moskva", equipped with air defense system "Fort", similar to the C-300 will take part in the coastal region of Latakia. You are cautioned that any targets, representing a potential danger for us, will be destroyed.
  • #20,148
  • Nov 25, 2015 8:12am Nov 25, 2015 8:12am
Quoting infinitus
http://www.elliottwaveforex.com/2015...medium=twitter elliottwaveforex on EU
Invalidated count, isn' it?
  • #20,149
  • Edited 10:51am Nov 25, 2015 10:02am | Edited 10:51am
Quoting janpec1000
{quote} Agree, that is common sense to do, however the reason why they probably didnt send fighters with it is becouse theoretically those bombers dont really have threat that could take them down. There is no actual enemy fighter jets for them in air (unless they backstab like Turkey did), so thats probably why they dont use follow-ups.
SU-24 was not covered because of:
1/ nobody was awaiting for friendly fire;
2/ The absolute limit of the SU-24 fly height is 6000 meters - so no MANPADS can hit it at this heigh.

now we have no friends out here anymore.
S-400 is about to be deployed soon - http://russia-insider.com/en/politic...turkey/ri11438

Read on the subject as well
Turkey Has Destroyed Russia’s Hope Of Western Cooperation — Paul Craig Roberts
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2015...craig-roberts/

Best
D.P.

P.S.

One of 2 Russian pilots shot down by Turkey rescued, back to airbase in Syria
https://www.rt.com/news/323377-russi...t-saved-syria/

There were no warnings from the Turkish F-16 before they shot down SU-24.
https://www.rt.com/news/323431-saved...-turkish-su24/
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  • #20,150
  • Nov 25, 2015 11:01am Nov 25, 2015 11:01am
Quoting Dr.Phoenix
{quote} SU-24 was not covered because of: 1/ nobody was awaiting for friendly fire; 2/ The absolute limit of the SU-24 fly height is 6000 meters - so no MANPADS can hit it at this heigh. now we have no friends out here anymore. S-400 is about to be deployed soon - http://russia-insider.com/en/politic...turkey/ri11438 Read on the subject as well Turkey Has Destroyed Russia’s Hope Of Western Cooperation — Paul Craig Roberts http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2015...craig-roberts/...
Exactly that was my point. There was no need to use backups of fighter jets, becouse only threat was backstabbing.

Why is S-400 being deployed i am not sure. It looks very wierd, the only logical reason i can find is that they are deploying it to scare any proxy country such as Turkey to consider shooting down any plane again, couse S-400 would get their plane in retaliation for sure. Would make no sense to put it as offensive weapon becouse there is nothin to shoot at, unless you plan to go full scale war with NATO ofcourse.
  • #20,151
  • Edited Nov 26, 2015 5:45am Nov 25, 2015 11:54am | Edited Nov 26, 2015 5:45am
Quoting janpec1000
{quote} Exactly that was my point. There was no need to use backups of fighter jets, becouse only threat was backstabbing. Why is S-400 being deployed i am not sure. It looks very wierd, the only logical reason i can find is that they are deploying it to scare any proxy country such as Turkey to consider shooting down any plane again, couse S-400 would get their plane in retaliation for sure. Would make no sense to put it as offensive weapon becouse there is nothin to shoot at, unless you plan to go full scale war with NATO ofcourse.
It is being said the first reason is to cover the air of Syria fully in order for the Turkish Air Force to know what if they "accidentally" cross the Air Space of Syria over, they may be shot down, the second reason is to cover the bases in Latakia and Khmeimim.

Today and For now, I hardly belive in the full scale war with NATO.

Best, D.P.
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  • #20,152
  • Nov 25, 2015 1:41pm Nov 25, 2015 1:41pm
Quoting Dr.Phoenix
{quote} It is being said the first reason is to cover the air of Syria fully in order for the Turkish Air Force to know what if they "accidentally" cross the Air Space of Syria over, they may be shot down, the second reason is to cover the bases in Latakia and Khmeimim. Today and For now, I hardly belive in the full scale war with NATO. Best, D.P.
Ye full scale war is still low possibility. However lets not follow the current events to see what might happen in future, wars have never been predictable in that fashion becouse railing events can happen very quickly to escalate dangerous situation into full scale event. To see what might happen in future, let me ask you this:
In order for current conflict to switch the gear one thing has to happen, which is non of the main forces of either side to give up. Lets group Iran - Russia in first one, and US, NATO and proxy countries in second. Lets see the stakes on each side. I would say stakes on each side are long term high enough on each side, meaning no side can call retreat. If Russian-Iran side loses conflict (eg Syrian army destroyed and Russian-Iran forces flee) it means that Russia looses presence of any control over middle East militarility, which gives US and proxy countries full open invitation of Iran inviasion in future, thus setting in stone that Petro-yuan-rubble setup is for sure thrown in the bin. Petro-yuan "Brent" system is thrown as Iran is passed from picture, main gas supplies are conduct in future all exclusevly in petrodollar (Syrian - Turkey pipeline)(considering that Ukraine is already forget and forgot deal for Russia), and Gazprom is company of the past due to reshaping of middle East petrodollar system (which at the end is one of main reasons why Russia is in middle East). So that means in future 10-15 years, Russia becomes Soviet Union in 1990. This was set in stone by plan for new american century that was concluded by US globalists in 94 and as you can see its all shaping out 100% exactly as written then (and added to in 2000-01). So no Russia cannot back-off without facing economical collapse in future.

For US/globalists to back off it means same strenght of consequences. With Asad staying in power, Middle East and Iran remain under supply provision-milatary that is from Russia, meaning that any attack of proxy or mercenary armies by US is impossible becouse Iran can stand of their attack with help of nearby countries and Russia the most. And without restructuring Iran and Syria, petrodollar system will be gone in next decade. With new petro-regime set from 2 largest producers that is Russia and Iran and one of largest consumers that is China, petrodollar is past if those countries can remain to build the block. And without petrodollar system US empire is gone. No financing of mercenary off-balance sheet armies, no control over crude price, no supplying of derivate markets trough petrodollar inflows, no petrodollar trade from China, no inflows into T-bills and bonds....its gone. 350% debt and 1.4 qdrill derivates would start going rotten. So no US cannot back of from restructuring of middle East.

Now how can that end if none of the side can actually give up without serious consequences? Would Russia risk open conflict to preserve itself? Lets see what history tells. Cold war 1 says no. Proxy war in Afgan (and weaponry scaling) has eaten up Russian budget, becouse they simply werent ready to go full scale on (thankfully). I think that is the most likely scenario, even though that we shouldnt exclude full conflict.
  • #20,153
  • Nov 26, 2015 2:11am Nov 26, 2015 2:11am
excellent find:


Quoting forexings
{quote} Here is an interesting article against turkey's claim (logic proves what's correct): http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-dow...lated_articles But something doesn’t sound right. Journalists: Learn to do basic maths. Look at Turkey’s statement to UN: 1.15 miles / 17 seconds x 60 x 60 = 243 miles/hour = 391 km/hour — WikiLeaks (@wikileaks) November...

what did I say two days before:


Quoting infinitus
{quote} the Turks gave some picture of the tracing of the SU. On that picture one can see, that the SU may have overflown a very small part of Turkey. Funny is: the SU would have had only a few seconds in Turkey airspace, but the Turks insist, that they warned the SU repeatedly over 10 minutes or so.

you know the saying: when it looks like a duck and talk like a duck..........
  • #20,154
  • Nov 26, 2015 2:23am Nov 26, 2015 2:23am
Meet The Man Who Funds ISIS: Bilal Erdogan, The Son Of Turkey's President
  • #20,155
  • Nov 26, 2015 2:27am Nov 26, 2015 2:27am
Quoting infinitus
{quote} thanks for sharing
You are welcome
Don't be smart. Be rich.
  • #20,156
  • Nov 26, 2015 3:18am Nov 26, 2015 3:18am
Quoting maximinus
{quote} You are welcome


great response in the EU thread - made my day


  • #20,157
  • Edited 6:04am Nov 26, 2015 5:05am | Edited 6:04am
Quoting janpec1000
{quote} Ye full scale war is still low possibility. However lets not follow the current events to see what might happen in future, wars have never been predictable in that fashion becouse railing events can happen very quickly to escalate dangerous situation into full scale event. To see what might happen in future, let me ask you this: In order for current conflict to switch the gear one thing has to happen, which is non of the main forces of either side to give up. Lets group Iran - Russia in first one, and US, NATO and proxy countries in second....
As to your theses, I have nothing to add. Logically.

As to your questions, I must say that I have had the same thoughts about "Afgan scenario" today. It is really possible.
However do not forget that we was not invited into Afgan, it was the only international help.
Yes, the scenario is alike, but consequenses might be different.

So, the only thing we can do is to seat on our chairs, fasten our belts and watch how the world is changing.

Best
D.P.

P.S. My father used to said - if the thing comes to a smart head (or two heads at the same moment) one day, it is very possible that such a thing has already come to another smart heads.


Turkey Is Lying Paul Craig Roberts
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2015...craig-roberts/

Quoting janpec1000
{quote} S-400 would get their plane in retaliation for sure.

Deployed.
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  • #20,158
  • Nov 26, 2015 5:52am Nov 26, 2015 5:52am
Quoting Dr.Phoenix
{quote} As to your theses, I have nothing to add. Logically. As to your questions, I must say that I have had the same thoughts about "Afgan scenario" today. It is really possible. Nowever do not forget that we was not invited in Afgan, it was the only international help. Yes, the scenario is alike, but consequenses might be different. So, the only thing we can do is to seat on our chairs, fasten our belts and watch how the world is changing. Best D.P. P.S. My father used to said - if the thing comes to a smart head (or two heads at the same moment)...
Wondering why keeping S-500 in warehouses though. If you got war going on makes more sense to deploy your best toys to cut the loses.
  • #20,159
  • Nov 26, 2015 6:07am Nov 26, 2015 6:07am
Quoting janpec1000
{quote} Wondering why keeping S-500 in warehouses though. If you got war going on makes more sense to deploy your best toys to cut the loses.
Do not be bloodthirsty !
S-400 is enough.

Best
D.P.
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  • #20,160
  • Nov 26, 2015 6:14am Nov 26, 2015 6:14am
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