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  • #8,941
  • Oct 18, 2015 7:03am Oct 18, 2015 7:03am
D/T
I am not going to get stuck in the middle of you and Clive's battle to be called the King of the World Top Trader but Clive does make a fair point, I can vouch for Clive's trading after all he trades with my friend, I have no reason to doubt you, but for the sake of being open and transparent may be some trades before the event would be fair to cement your points to the thread and it would give guidance to anyone that wants to run with your ideas and trading style
  • #8,942
  • Oct 18, 2015 7:12am Oct 18, 2015 7:12am
Quoting OAPDave
D/T I am not going to get stuck in the middle of you and Clive's battle to be called the King of the World Top Trader but Clive does make a fair point, I can vouch for Clive's trading after all he trades with my friend, I have no reason to doubt you, but for the sake of being open and transparent may be some trades before the event would be fair to cement your points to the thread and it would give guidance to anyone that wants to run with your ideas and trading style
as ive stated before for 2 reasons...1.i personally do not disclose my live accounts.2.when i obtained my trading strategy and setup from a good friend and professional trader the legal agreement was non disclosure...that i fully respect and maintain.As for bickering etc all ive merely done is posted a method and made points...it is someone else who is starting to kick off which i will not entertain...period no matter what he wants to post.Ive nothing to prove as im well off and comfortable.in my life.
so.me posting my accounts is never going to.happen ever.
  • #8,943
  • Oct 18, 2015 7:15am Oct 18, 2015 7:15am
Quoting devontrader
{quote} as ive stated before for 2 reasons...1.i personally do not disclose my live accounts.2.when i obtained my trading strategy and setup from a good friend and professional trader the legal agreement was non disclosure...that i fully respect and maintain.As for bickering etc all ive merely done is posted a method and made points...it is someone else who is starting to kick off which i will not entertain...period no matter what he wants to post.Ive nothing to prove as im well off and comfortable.in my life. so.me posting my accounts is never...
D/T I am not asking you to show your live account, just to show when you open a new trade and how you manage it
  • #8,944
  • Oct 18, 2015 7:20am Oct 18, 2015 7:20am
Quoting OAPDave
D/T I am not going to get stuck in the middle of you and Clive's battle to be called the King of the World Top Trader but Clive does make a fair point, I can vouch for Clive's trading after all he trades with my friend, I have no reason to doubt you, but for the sake of being open and transparent may be some trades before the event would be fair to cement your points to the thread and it would give guidance to anyone that wants to run with your ideas and trading style
Dave, with all due respect, I think that posting live accounts is irrelevant, this is forum where traders helping traders, not place where we judge one or the other so I believe we shouldnt go this way.

Second, and maybe more important - this is Clive's thread, devoted to studying his strategy, we agreed on this before so it would be nice to respect that and cutting off everything else, I mean personal issues.
  • #8,945
  • Oct 18, 2015 7:34am Oct 18, 2015 7:34am
Quoting TwoBooks
{quote} Dave, with all due respect, I think that posting live accounts is irrelevant, this is forum where traders helping traders, not place where we judge one or the other so I believe we shouldnt go this way. Second, and maybe more important - this is Clive's thread, devoted to studying his strategy, we agreed on this before so it would be nice to respect that and cutting off everything else, I mean personal issues.
well done twobooks good points.I personally am done with posting anything on here but for putting ideas out there for traders to find there own way.All i will say is.lagging indicators dont work.Use price action and tools.If you look on my charts what do.i have? Suply demand zones which draw the zones..this is niether a lagging or leading indicator....can be done manually.Also i have hurst envelopes...again niether a lag or.lead.indicator...just a roadmap.Finally the fractals which plot fractal swings.My other template i have no supply demand zone or fractals because i do them.manually.
  • #8,946
  • Oct 18, 2015 7:42am Oct 18, 2015 7:42am
Quoting OAPDave
{quote} D/T I am not asking you to show your live account, just to show when you open a new trade and how you manage it
TwoBooks please read the post again I was not asking and would never ask to see any ones live account, just asking for a heads up for next live trade entry so I can watch how it pans out , that's what you post after all, I will gladly post my next trade on the Gbp/Usd now if you want but I guess no one would be interested in it as it will carry a 40 pip stop. Bored with all this I am a better trader than you stuff but I am not going to show you when I take any live trades, already regret my baited breath reply to the guy
  • #8,947
  • Oct 18, 2015 7:43am Oct 18, 2015 7:43am
Quoting devontrader
{quote} as ive stated before for 2 reasons...1.i personally do not disclose my live accounts.2.when i obtained my trading strategy and setup from a good friend and professional trader the legal agreement was non disclosure...that i fully respect and maintain.As for bickering etc all ive merely done is posted a method and made points...it is someone else who is starting to kick off which i will not entertain...period no matter what he wants to post.Ive nothing to prove as im well off and comfortable.in my life. so.me posting my accounts is never...
That old chestnut.....give me a break....

How did I know you wouldn't post that trade?????

Because you couldn't because you never took it , thats how I knew...
Feel the Fear and do it anyway!!!
  • #8,948
  • Oct 18, 2015 7:56am Oct 18, 2015 7:56am
Quoting clivepackham
{quote} That old chestnut.....give me a break.... How did I...

same old chestnut ? Dont ask the same old stupid question.....we all notice how now you.seem to be trading and supposedly making good.pips that your no longer posting your ideas.case of.selfishness now.....you.got.the winning way no longer sharing.AndDont turn it on me for not sharing cos.this is nkt my thread or my trading method !!! Its all about you sharing your method in your fathers.memory....but now.only 95% of.the method
  • #8,949
  • Oct 18, 2015 8:02am Oct 18, 2015 8:02am
Quoting devontrader
{quote} well done twobooks good points.I personally am done with posting anything on here but for putting ideas out there for traders to find there own way.All i will say is.lagging indicators dont work.Use price action and tools.If you look on my charts what do.i have? Suply demand zones which draw the zones..this is niether a lagging or leading indicator....can be done manually.Also i have hurst envelopes...again niether a lag or.lead.indicator...just a roadmap.Finally the fractals which plot fractal swings.My other template i have no supply demand...
You are so full of bullshite, You are beyond a joke......

I am not gonna waste another minute of my time replying to your weird posts about "Hindsight trades" that never even took place, only in your imagination. Stop deceiving yourself, but more importantly stop trying to deceive the followers of my thread...

Please at least keep your word this time and leave this thread once and for all....
Feel the Fear and do it anyway!!!
  • #8,950
  • Oct 18, 2015 8:35am Oct 18, 2015 8:35am
Nah im sticking around to see this thread die cos you not sharing the FULL system

If your now.making serious.money you.woukd.be sharing everything from pictures to indicators.to templates to everything you.need to.know to.make the success....my gut instincts is that you are holding back that last jigsaw piece from all here that followed you.

You.are letting them.down shame on you
  • #8,951
  • Oct 18, 2015 9:18am Oct 18, 2015 9:18am
Quoting devontrader
Nah im sticking around to see this thread die cos you not sharing the FULL system If your now.making serious.money you.woukd.be sharing everything from pictures to indicators.to templates to everything you.need to.know to.make the success....my gut instincts is that you are holding back that last jigsaw piece from all here that followed you. You.are letting them.down shame on you
D/T I am going to try one last calm and true post to you to get this matter sorted once and for all. You seem to feel after all this time that Clive is holding something back, I and I think a few more guys on here no that not to be the case, he as given everything lock stock and barrel, how do I know well I have live traded with my friend and Clive in a few sessions, now, I have to admit I was watching them both rack up pips galore my friend even more than Clive, me well I was looking a bit of a fool were they were skipping from pair to pair clicking here there and every were I was no were to be seen just getting the odd trade here and there just because I could not monitor all the trades nearly as good as them, so quickly I had to own up and say to them its a fantastic method to trade but I just could not cope with that style of trading and take what ever I could and add to my own way of trading that suited me better. To put the matter to rest the method as you and the thread no it is complete and there is no secrets missing, the only secret is you must keep doing the trades.
Now you and your method, when you first put it up, I just did not fancy it at all and told you so right from the off, then the balloon went off with you and Clive name calling and insults, but after awhile watching you stalk the thread and seeing you research Murrey maths you appeared again, I made a gesture saying you had made some good points and shown some good charts now I was hoping that you would expand your ideas just as Clive as done in well over 400 pages but no off the balloon goes again so how can I or any one else who even wants to study your method ever under stand or follow a trade, all I can say is if you think Clive is hiding anything how can I follow your method on the limited information that you divulge but in fairness to you it would take something really special to move me from the way I trade now, and to be honest Clive's method is good but mines better hahahahahaha
  • #8,952
  • Oct 18, 2015 9:29am Oct 18, 2015 9:29am
Quoting OAPDave
{quote} D/T I am going to try one last calm and true post to you to get this matter sorted once and for all. You seem to feel after all this time that Clive is holding something back, I and I think a few more guys on here no that not to be the case, he as given everything lock stock and barrel, how do I know well I have live 5traded with my friend and Clive in a few sessions, now, I have to admit I was watching them both rack up pips galore my friend even more than Clive, me well I was looking a bit of a fool were they were skipping from pair to...
every one has there method so.i would say stick to it.If you.notice i posted suggestion...but soon as clive posted it was clive who let the balloon go off as you would day....was my posting aimed at clive? No!Was clives postings aimed at me?yes! Why? Did i say anything to him? No so maybe you shoukd be asking clive the question of why get personal instead of concentrating on the thread.
  • #8,953
  • Oct 18, 2015 9:39am Oct 18, 2015 9:39am
OK
Quoting devontrader
{quote} every one has there method so.i would say stick to it.If you.notice i posted suggestion...but soon as clive posted it was clive who let the balloon go off as you would day....was my posting aimed at clive? No!Was clives postings aimed at me?yes! Why? Did i say anything to him? No so maybe you shoukd be asking clive the question of why get personal instead of concentrating on the thread.
OK I give up, circles after circles just have not got the time or interest for all this, you have not took any points I have made to you onboard
  • #8,954
  • Oct 18, 2015 10:03am Oct 18, 2015 10:03am
Quoting OAPDave
{quote} D/T I am going to try one last calm and true post to you to get this matter sorted once and for all. You seem to feel after all this time that Clive is holding something back, I and I think a few more guys on here no that not to be the case, he as given everything lock stock and barrel, how do I know
Yes I don't think Clive is hiding something, the only thing he differs from us and his results from ours is quality screen time. The method is simple, enter at supposed end of a pullback - signalled by CCI - in the direction of a bigger trend. Thats the system in a nutshell, the rest is as you said to take trades after trades after trades and gain experience. That's all, two, three months of trades and I believe everyone will be good at it and in profit. Or four, or five because people are different, but thats all.
  • #8,955
  • Oct 18, 2015 10:39am Oct 18, 2015 10:39am
Quoting TwoBooks
{quote} Yes I don't think Clive is hiding something, the only thing he differs from us and his results from ours is quality screen time. The method is simple, enter at supposed end of a pullback - signalled by CCI - in the direction of a bigger trend. Thats the system in a nutshell, the rest is as you said to take trades after trades after trades and gain experience. That's all, two, three months of trades and I believe everyone will be good at it and in profit. Or four, or five because people are different, but thats all.
Yes I think you have summed it up perfect, now can we all move on
  • #8,956
  • Oct 18, 2015 12:00pm Oct 18, 2015 12:00pm
Quoting devontrader
{quote} well done twobooks good points.I personally am done with posting anything on here but for putting ideas out there for traders to find there own way.All i will say is.lagging indicators dont work.Use price action and tools.If you look on my charts what do.i have? Suply demand zones which draw the zones..this is niether a lagging or leading indicator....can be done manually.Also i have hurst envelopes...again niether a lag or.lead.indicator...just a roadmap.Finally the fractals which plot fractal swings.My other template i have no supply demand...
One has to understand that it does not matter if you use zero, one or 100 indicators. If they lag, lead or whatever. What matters is that the person using them, knows what he/she is doing. I personally use CCI 20 and a MA Histogramm to see the trend. Since going full-time, I have tripled my account on roughly 500 trades, risking no more than 2% in any trade. I know some can do better with less indicators. And I know some will do worse with more indicators.

You just cannot say, this indicator will not work, or this will work 100%. What makes it work is the trader himself.
  • #8,957
  • Oct 18, 2015 5:13pm Oct 18, 2015 5:13pm
http://www.moillusions.com/wp-conten...ca_o_vieja.jpg

This is Clive and Devon. The truth is, this is a picture of a woman. The perception of young or old is left to the observer. For one to say the other is wrong is not correct. It is how the mind sees the picture and it is true for that person.

This is a chart. That is true. Without the time on the bottom, you would have no idea what TF it is. It does not matter. Devon is simply saying, you need to look from higher to lower TF. Clive says, M1 and M5 trend are enough for him. So be it. If both of them are taking money from the banks, are either of them wrong? NO! If I trade higher TF I have to have larger SL, which means a lowered risk per pip. I have to have more pips to succeed. With a smaller TF, I can use a lower SL and TP with a higher risk per pip. That is all. If your mind sees the young woman or the old woman does not matter. If you cannot see the women at all, that would be bad. On the chart, as long as I analyze it consistently each time and have a tool to show me the strong trender on my TF, who cares how I get there? If I use the TT, or a CSM or a higher to lower TF with SR analysis....it is just perception based on how I view the world. That is what makes Forex exciting...and tough. That is why seeing someone else's chart will not make you a better trader.

Clive has laid out his principles here and given all that needs given. Devon has a different approach that should be addressed in a different location.

@Devon: you don't have time for a thread, but you have time to stay with this thread? Move on. It is only perception.
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  • #8,958
  • Oct 18, 2015 5:49pm Oct 18, 2015 5:49pm
Well said Capstone

I am reading Clive's thread because I like his methodology. I like short time frames. That being, longer time frames work well for many people but that is not the intent of this thread. So I agree, Devon should take his methodology elsewhere where his approach will be appreciated by those who tune in.

Peter
  • #8,959
  • Oct 18, 2015 9:32pm Oct 18, 2015 9:32pm
Quoting clivepackham
{quote} ...... I am not gonna waste another minute of my time replying to your weird posts ....
Very good idea.
  • #8,960
  • Oct 19, 2015 6:13am Oct 19, 2015 6:13am
Well after a week end of nonsense glad to be back trading my boring pair, with your (there is nothing missing system) still do not click the button as often as the better guys but 20.5 pips in the bag, even a little slow taking this one hahahaha
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