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- Aug 5, 2015 10:22am Aug 5, 2015 10:22am
Why You Should Not Be Day Trading With a Full Time Job Do This Instead
Youve been told day trading is easy.
Make 10 pips a day, and in a month, youre up 200 pips.
On a standard lot, thats equivalent to $2000.
But heres the truth..
1. The above statement is misleading as it doesnt take into account losses.
2. If you have a full time job, day trading is not encouraged.
Why?
Transaction cost is a killer
A large part of your success as a trader depends on your transaction cost.
Imagine:
Youre a retail Forex trader with a $50,000 account.
You pay an average spread of 2 pips, which amounts to $20 per lot.
If you trade an average of 100 lots a month, your transaction cost is $2000!
Think about this..
You need to make 4% a month just to break even.
From a yearly standpoint, you need to make 48% a year just to break even.
Compare that with a professional futures trader, who pays commission averaging $2 per lot.
Trading an average of 100 lots a month, transaction cost is $200, or 0.25% a month.
As a retail trader, youre paying 10 times more in transaction costs.
Day trading requires you to trade multiple times a day. This leads to higher transaction cost which erodes your edge in the markets.
And Ive yet to mention brokers increasing their bid/ask spread during major news release..
More stress on you
Day trading requires you to devote lots of attention to the markets.
Youve seconds to make trading decisions like: 
For swing trader, you are looking to capture swings in the market.
You will have: 
For position trader, you are looking to capture trends in the market.
You will have: 
Yes. In fact you can incorporate both trading styles.
You can capture a swing in the market and take half your position off.
Then let the remaining half ride the longer term trend.
Conclusion
Day trading is something I do not encourage if you currently have a full time job.
You will add more stress to yourself, lose your social life and incur higher transaction costs.
Instead you can adopt a higher time frame perspective, and look to be a swing or position trader.
It comes with less stress, better work life balance, and transaction cost is almost negligible.
Youve been told day trading is easy.
Make 10 pips a day, and in a month, youre up 200 pips.
On a standard lot, thats equivalent to $2000.
But heres the truth..
1. The above statement is misleading as it doesnt take into account losses.
2. If you have a full time job, day trading is not encouraged.
Why?
Transaction cost is a killer
A large part of your success as a trader depends on your transaction cost.
Imagine:
Youre a retail Forex trader with a $50,000 account.
You pay an average spread of 2 pips, which amounts to $20 per lot.
If you trade an average of 100 lots a month, your transaction cost is $2000!
Think about this..
You need to make 4% a month just to break even.
From a yearly standpoint, you need to make 48% a year just to break even.
Compare that with a professional futures trader, who pays commission averaging $2 per lot.
Trading an average of 100 lots a month, transaction cost is $200, or 0.25% a month.
As a retail trader, youre paying 10 times more in transaction costs.
Day trading requires you to trade multiple times a day. This leads to higher transaction cost which erodes your edge in the markets.
And Ive yet to mention brokers increasing their bid/ask spread during major news release..
More stress on you
Day trading requires you to devote lots of attention to the markets.
Youve seconds to make trading decisions like:
- Where will I enter?
- Where will I exit if Im wrong?
- Where will I exit if Im right?
- Do I take partial profits?
- How much risk do I put on?
- How do I manage this trade?
- Are there major news release coming up?
Youre making all these decisions on the fly.
If you hesitate too long, you could miss a trading opportunity.
But does the stress comes from trading only?
I doubt so.
Heres why:
If you have a full time job, youd bring work related stress to your day trading endeavor.
And for those with family and kids to attend to..
Would you want to risk your trading capital while putting your kids to sleep?
Forget social life
Imagine this:
You work from 8 to 6 everyday.
You head home and eat your dinner.
Then you open your trading platform, and trade till the wee hours before going to bed.
The next day you wake up, and rinse repeat all over again, from Monday to Friday.
Slowly, you start to neglect your family, friends and loved ones.
Is this what you want?
I wouldnt wish that on you.
Youve work hard at your day job, and when you get home, youre a slave to the markets.
It could be a consolation if youre consistently profitable.
But what if youre consistently losing every night?
You lose your family, friends, loved ones and your hard earned money. A horrible risk to reward if you ask me.
However if you dont mind the stress and not having a social life, transaction cost is still a major issue.
My suggestion would be to get a job in proprietary trading, or lease a seat in a trading arcade. Youd lower transaction costs and also have interaction with other traders.
But what if you dont want that?
Trade the higher time frame
Now:
You know day trading is not as glamorous as it seems.
You incur insane transaction costs which erodes your trading edge.
Not forgetting the increase in stress and lack of social life.
But what if you still want to be a trader?
Then consider trading the higher time frame.
Advantages of trading the higher time frame:
1. You will have lower transaction cost as your trading frequency is reduced.
2. Your transaction cost have little impact on your risk to reward ratio.
3. Youd be less stressful as you do not need to constantly monitor the markets.
4. You have more time for the important things that matter like family, friends and loved ones.
To understand the pros and cons further, go read Day Trading VS Trend Following, Which is Better?
Now..
If you have decided to trade the higher time frame, there are few ways you can go about it.
You can choose to be a swing trader or position trader.
Swing trader
For swing trader, you are looking to capture swings in the market.
You will have:
- Smoother equity curve as your profit target is simply one swing in the market
- Winning rate varying from 40-50%
- Trades lasting from days to weeks
Position trader
For position trader, you are looking to capture trends in the market.
You will have:
- More volatile equity curve as you watch profits turn into losses, in hope that you will catch a trend
- Winning rate varying from 30-40%
- Trades lasting from weeks to months
You may wonder:
Can I be both?
Yes. In fact you can incorporate both trading styles.
You can capture a swing in the market and take half your position off.
Then let the remaining half ride the longer term trend.
Conclusion
Day trading is something I do not encourage if you currently have a full time job.
You will add more stress to yourself, lose your social life and incur higher transaction costs.
Instead you can adopt a higher time frame perspective, and look to be a swing or position trader.
It comes with less stress, better work life balance, and transaction cost is almost negligible.
Whether you can or you can't, you are both right.
