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  • First Post: Jun 2, 2015 8:04am Jun 2, 2015 8:04am
Yes, it is possible to make money with completely random trades.

This thread to accumulate ideas on how to do so.

My best ideas so far;
- Close winners against losers
- SL==TP but SL is traced back up at various intervals

Give input to this thread, and I'll test your ideas on high quality tick data + provide feedback.
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  • Jun 2, 2015 9:51am Jun 2, 2015 9:51am
Chances are, the trades were acted as random, but generally you probably got into a profitable situation without even knowing it more often than not.
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  • Jun 2, 2015 10:04am Jun 2, 2015 10:04am
Quoting roel13
Yes, it is possible to make money with completely random trades. This thread to accumulate ideas on how to do so.
Is it really going to be random then?
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  • Jun 2, 2015 11:41am Jun 2, 2015 11:41am
Use two accounts, in one only sell and in the other only buy, or open the trades both ways - hedge ("nedge") in a single account in order to test it is worth it.
Otherwise, it is difficult to distinguish a successful strategy within the ensemble of random entries and just one backtest doesn't mean much. In other words, if you use random trades you would need to backtest with random inputs over and over again and average over all the possibilities...

k
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  • Jun 2, 2015 3:45pm Jun 2, 2015 3:45pm
Quoting roel13
Yes, it is possible to make money with completely random trades. This thread to accumulate ideas on how to do so. My best ideas so far; - Close winners against losers - SL==TP but SL is traced back up at various intervals Give input to this thread, and I'll test your ideas on high quality tick data + provide feedback. {image}
There was this physics professor. He had the problem of positioning an electron at a certain point in time. They tried to calculate where it was going to be. Didnt work. So finally he guessed. It worked. Better then the calculations. Why? Not sure, maybe because the universe is one big interconnected thing, always communicating with itself? So you could try that, guessing.
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  • Jun 2, 2015 6:11pm Jun 2, 2015 6:11pm
There are two points :
1) your life's lucky degree;
2) if random, should buy several pairs with against your base currency bit by bit.
(the several pairs should be less-correlative.)
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  • Jun 2, 2015 7:46pm Jun 2, 2015 7:46pm
Quoting kprsa
Use two accounts, in one only sell and in the other only buy, or open the trades both ways - hedge ("nedge") in a single account in order to test it is worth it. Otherwise, it is difficult to distinguish a successful strategy within the ensemble of random entries and just one backtest doesn't mean much. In other words, if you use random trades you would need to backtest with random inputs over and over again and average over all the possibilities... k
I agree with this, to truly test this kind of system you would need to buy in one account and sell in the other at the same time, then do whatever trade management rules you have, then do the same thing once both trades have closed (or maybe do it the same time everyday, etc.) That way you could truly see if it works on random trades. It should make money in both accounts. This definitely seems like an interesting experiment, it seems like it would revolve around what you do once you are in the trade.
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  • Jun 3, 2015 12:48am Jun 3, 2015 12:48am
Quoting yaed
{quote} There was this physics professor. He had the problem of positioning an electron at a certain point in time. They tried to calculate where it was going to be. Didnt work. So finally he guessed. It worked. Better then the calculations. Why? Not sure, maybe because the universe is one big interconnected thing, always communicating with itself? So you could try that, guessing.
I am becoming more and more convinced (by studying price action versus sentiment) that one should try to guess, and then do the opposite.
Cheers,
k
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  • Jun 10, 2015 2:48pm Jun 10, 2015 2:48pm
Quoting kprsa
{quote} I am becoming more and more convinced (by studying price action versus sentiment) that one should try to guess, and then do the opposite. Cheers, k
Ok, i would be boring and predictible if i said "Well if it works for you."
So instead im going to say: Well then you are already a good trader, only you got it backwards.
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  • Jun 10, 2015 3:14pm Jun 10, 2015 3:14pm
Quoting yaed
{quote} Ok, i would be boring and predictible if i said "Well if it works for you." So instead im going to say: Well then you are already a good trader, only you got it backwards.
Thanks for the encouragement - I would say that I am actually a crappy trader, but knowing that to be a fact, I can earn some ice-cream money every now and then.

Cheers,
k
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  • Jun 11, 2015 1:47am Jun 11, 2015 1:47am
1 to 2..
put TP double the SL distance
if you lose 6 and win 4 out of 10 trades you will still a winner
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  • Last Post: Apr 1, 2020 7:29pm Apr 1, 2020 7:29pm
Quoting roel13
Yes, it is possible to make money with completely random trades. This thread to accumulate ideas on how to do so. My best ideas so far; - Close winners against losers - SL==TP but SL is traced back up at various intervals Give input to this thread, and I'll test your ideas on high quality tick data + provide feedback. {image}

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