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  • Feb 14, 2015 4:27pm Feb 14, 2015 4:27pm
Quoting Checkz
{quote} Did I plot my fib right by putting it on the second candle skunny? {image}
Sorry misunderstood - you should anchor your entry or target line and then have the 62 use the second candle for the push - or anchor on the second candle with the entry or target and then get confirmation.
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  • Feb 14, 2015 5:11pm Feb 14, 2015 5:11pm
Quoting raselnet
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  • Feb 14, 2015 5:32pm Feb 14, 2015 5:32pm
I believe in holygrail. holygrail is exist. but someone who have holygrail will never give to others, its like jesus can rise the dead. jesus cant told how to do that.

for me the question is "can I have that holygrail?"

cheers happy trading
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  • Feb 14, 2015 5:39pm Feb 14, 2015 5:39pm
Quoting Skunny
{quote} I'll try to explain like this - cycles consist of a Robonacci range from -138.2 to +138.2 so if you are using the entire cycle you must anchor at a S/R using the -138.2 and finish at +138.2. Targets aren't necessarily S/R but when they are they are significant. In my pursuit of creating more trade opportunities I chopped that cycle into smaller section - this created issues with wins and losses as it allowed for single trade set ups to fail more often - it created more trades and more pips but was an issue for many that only traded once...

-38.2 to 138.2 or -138.2 to 138.2? Either way, i think we need 161.8 in there for the
Golden Ratio, Fractals, etc. don't we?

Thanks
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  • Feb 14, 2015 5:44pm Feb 14, 2015 5:44pm
Quoting cakrajaya
I believe in holygrail. holygrail is exist. but someone who have holygrail will never give to others, its like jesus can rise the dead. jesus cant told how to do that. for me the question is "can I have that holygrail?" cheers happy trading
yes only a hand full of trader have it last year was a very very good forum or they where about to break if or near but unfortunately FOREX FACTORY did ban them huhu remember we have been watch it 24 hrs a day and be monitored remember that site sponsor are the brokers so they do not want you to win to much beside the FOREX has been manipulated 24 hrs a day and only the big fat boy get the $$$$$$$$$$$$ unless you know how to trade with them.
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  • Feb 15, 2015 6:56am Feb 15, 2015 6:56am
Quoting dagoods
{quote} -38.2 to 138.2 or -138.2 to 138.2? Either way, i think we need 161.8 in there for the Golden Ratio, Fractals, etc. don't we? Thanks
we use 161.8 - it is all designed around 161.8 - it is just how you look at it and/or trade it.
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  • Feb 15, 2015 8:49am Feb 15, 2015 8:49am
Quoting cakrajaya
I believe in holygrail. holygrail is exist. but someone who have holygrail will never give to others, its like jesus can rise the dead. jesus cant told how to do that. for me the question is "can I have that holygrail?" cheers happy trading
Allow me to share some very important subject matter - there is much I have learned over the past 2 years of my 10 year trading fiasco. The "Holy Grail" as we have all come to know it here in the trading world does exist. It exists if you understand the natural order of all things in the universe. Everything expands whether it be our bodies or consciousness - this growth is created in a series of numbers that eventually show up as patterns to us. By identifying these patterns in the forex markets we are seeing nothing but the results of our collective actions. (supposedly)

Collective actions left on their own and the ability to recognize these patterns is THE HOLY GRAIL and there is absolutely no question about this fact.

So how do we use this information?
How do we identify the natural from the supposed "natural"?

We know what natural is so what is left is unnatural or purposeful manipulation.

Purposeful manipulation is built into the system itself - it disguises our collective natural input in the effort to keep the system from failing. Look at it this way - if we collectively input 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9 the system will understand it is at 9 but it wont go to 9 in the order we input - it will go 1,2,5,7,4,3,6,8,9. This is important for the system because of the incredible technology available on the highest end. This is why you see so many spikes in the market nowadays. If it needs to get to 9 at a certain time and if it is scrambled and on 5 it needs to jump 4 to get there quickly. When this happens brokers/banks report this as volatility and protect themselves with spread or price manipulation. This also shows up on our charts.

So if you can comprehend my brief explanation the first thing you might say is "WE ARE SCREWED". This would be a normal and warranted reaction but it isn't true. The Holy Grail can be hidden but the system MUST have natural movement as it's base/core or it will not exist.

You cannot just draw a fib and trade one fib any longer like you could before super computers. We now must use our tools and create multiple confirmations or have the ability to recognize the cover ups and confusion from the real movement. There is NO indicator and there will be NO indicator that give any reliable information about the markets, they can only give you a reason to trade and then you are either right or wrong but that decision was based on nothing substantial.

I have found the best way to trade around the manipulation is to get early calculations and project from there. By getting your information early in the first 3 stages it is much more likely the information is correct due to the fact the system in place must react to the natural movement - so it too needs to understand where 9 is to end up. So 1,2,3 might be spot on 90% but after 1,2,3 comes 6,7,8,5,9 might be the code for that cycle. Can you spot the pull backs in those numbers? That is what makes up those numbers (in theory).

I am not able to share everything here on my understanding/findings but I hope this gives you insight that helps you get down the right road instead of trading with blinders on.

Rob
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  • Feb 15, 2015 10:26am Feb 15, 2015 10:26am
Roberto,

couple (hundred) questions about your grail tool and I will add anything positive productive when I can/ if I can.

1.) EU - Why don't you like the big easy anymore? Ii there a FX pair or perhaps an instrument you have found that has an optimal pristine flow or untouched ticks?(that actually has productively tradeable volitility). That being said there is a lot going on with EU so that part is understandable

2.) As to manipulation - I have a drawer full of smaller range fibs that have been torn to shreds by news(I never look back at them I just assume news, but i I could have been operator erroring ) etc... , but even that CHF spike fit right into my charts ( I didn't know it was coming, but it fit in perfectly. ..it just meant my EurChf trade took profit in 2 seconds instead of two weeks). The chf spike ...we were already massively short..we just got there quickly.

Can you share a chart of manipulation as you see it effect larger range fibs? Not adversarial or doubting here, just unclear.


3.) You mention the robot was illuminating to you in a way that previous was not apparent, can you share what came to light for you from working with and watching it run?

4.) It is my understanding that most of the Robonacci methods are derivative of properties of a mother concept or perhaps a full cycle(?) and were distilled from that to provide more trading opportunities (shortcuts?) in any allotted span of time; however, by doing so you sometimes don't get the full story from just one of those fibs and this can lead to "failures/upsidedown".


In light of you coming back to full cycle swing trading on your blog.Do you now feel that being patient outweighs the risk /reward of more trades? Can you show us an example of your understanding of a full cycle as defined by you and fib tool/grail? You have mentioned the 138.2 to 138.2 itself was distilled from a grander concept as well. Your earlier works show 161.8 and I believe 238 (could be wrong here) what does that look like?

5.) Last questions - phew- Since the beginning of all this in a public forum (paid or other wise) there has been a prominent focus on "seeing it work" as price moves forward ( sometimes it is working and we can't see it on our timeframes, but that is imo not optimal for trading). I have found that price agreement moving forward is only part of the story and it needs to work both ways/mirror(sometimes you don't have this option without looking farther back in time) for that optimum confidence that you have found what you are looking for in conjunction with some other things. Sometimes one can just infer those conditions exist by seeing other things though I suppose.

Did you purposefully not focus heavily on this concept for a specific reason? Is it possible to get the full story just looking at current price roll into future price w/o measuring or being aware of past price? How much does mirroring/past price play into your own charting at your current level of understanding?

Thanks mang

Sizz
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  • Feb 15, 2015 10:51am Feb 15, 2015 10:51am
Quoting sizzler
Roberto, couple (hundred) questions about your grail tool and I will add anything positive productive when I can/ if I can. 1.) EU - Why don't you like the big easy anymore? I mean right now - seems every move is swift and without information. Ii there a FX pair or perhaps an instrument you have found that has an optimal pristine flow or untouched ticks?(that actually has productively tradeable volitility). That being said there is a lot going on with EU so that part is understandable 2.) As to manipulation - I have a drawer full of smaller range fibs that have been torn to shreds by news(I never look back at them I just assume news, but i I could have been operator erroring ) etc... , but even that CHF spike fit right into my charts ( I didn't know it was coming, but it fit in perfectly. ..it just meant my EurChf trade took profit in 2 seconds instead of two weeks). The chf spike ...we were already massively short..we just got there quickly. Can you share a chart of manipulation as you see it effect larger range fibs?Manipulation doesn't effect the end game that is why fibs still work Not adversarial or doubting here, just unclear. 3.) You mention the robot was illuminating to you in a way that previous was not apparent, can you share what came to light for you from working with and watching it run?with the myriad of settings on the EA I was able to collect data my brain wouldn't have had the time nor the ability to process and because of this I was able to see more clearly how the markets stay alive 4.) It is my understanding that most of the Robonacci methods are derivative of properties of a mother concept or perhaps a full cycle(?) and were distilled from that to provide more trading opportunities (shortcuts?) in any allotted span of time; however, by doing so you sometimes don't get the full story from just one of those fibs and this can lead to "failures/upsidedown". In light of you coming back to full cycle swing trading on your blog.Do you now feel that being patient outweighs the risk /reward of more trades? more trades should be done by the EA when it is fixed - the full cycle trading is a hybrid of the "shortcut and the longcut" Can you show us an example of your understanding of a full cycle as defined by you and fib tool/grail? You have mentioned the 138.2 to 138.2 itself was distilled from a grander concept as well. Your earlier works show 161.8 and I believe 238 (could be wrong here) what does that look like? the 138-138 is all I use - to extend past that point will only incorporate other 138 combinations anyway 5.) Last questions - phew- Since the beginning of all this in a public forum (paid or other wise) there has been a prominent focus on "seeing it work" as price moves forward ( sometimes it is working and we can't see it on our timeframes, but that is imo not optimal for trading). I have found that price agreement moving forward is only part of the story and it needs to work both ways/mirror(sometimes you don't have this option without looking farther back in time) for that optimum confidence that you have found what you are looking for in conjunction with some other things. Sometimes one can just infer those conditions exist by seeing other things though I suppose. Did you purposefully not focus heavily on this concept for a specific reason? Is it possible to get the full story just looking at current price roll into future price w/o measuring or being aware of past price? How much does mirroring/past price play into your own charting at your current level of understanding? Thanks mang Sizz
Past price sets up the obstacle course that will dictate the mirror when changing directions - so you want to find the retrace of the retrace if possible.

I enjoy sharing things I think might help you guys but my focus is posting charts that will benefit your trading while I fight this EA into submission. I can't however spend too much time trying to explain myself because I just don't have it in me - please just take anything I say or post and trust yourself to understand it the best you can. Feel free to ask questions but the problem I will have is the hundreds of different directions I have had to travel in the past to get to this point needs to be somewhat in the past as I try to finish this gigantic mess I created for us all. I am nearing the end but I have no idea how long the end part is - it is like a fib that takes a while to hit the target and keeps retracing just as it gets close.

I will do my best to get this done for us.

Rob
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  • Feb 15, 2015 11:08am Feb 15, 2015 11:08am
Quoting Skunny
{quote} we use 161.8 - it is all designed around 161.8 - it is just how you look at it and/or trade it. {image}

The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth.
Niels Bohr

Yes. I choose to slice my PI with The 61.81, that is also the 1.6181.

You posted a GJ chart early on in this thread showing the monthly top hitting the 1.6181. That chart is what i was referring to.

the chart appeared to follow this concept>

http://vashti.net:44131/mceinc/PHIGRAPH.htm









Thanks
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  • Feb 16, 2015 6:27am Feb 16, 2015 6:27am
Rob,

heard and understood mah good man. Thanks for replying what you did. Do you want us to post trade charts here, method application, sit and observe hands folded, pepper in witty comments? Whatever helps the herd get to the pond. Let me know.

Sizz
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  • Feb 16, 2015 11:13am Feb 16, 2015 11:13am
Gold Fib hit target
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  • Feb 16, 2015 3:09pm Feb 16, 2015 3:09pm
Quoting Skunny
{quote} Allow me to share some very important subject matter - there is much I have learned over the past 2 years of my 10 year trading fiasco. The "Holy Grail" as we have all come to know it here in the trading world does exist. It exists if you understand the natural order of all things in the universe. Everything expands whether it be our bodies or consciousness - this growth is created in a series of numbers that eventually show up as patterns to us. By identifying these patterns in the forex markets we are seeing nothing but the results of...
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  • Feb 17, 2015 11:13am Feb 17, 2015 11:13am
Quoting Skunny
{quote} Nice - Professor Sizz - I loath E/U I won't even trade that backwards.
Skunny I have a question I noticed that you don't care for the Eur/Usd so which currency works best with your Robonacci system/style of trading?
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  • Feb 17, 2015 5:40pm Feb 17, 2015 5:40pm
Quoting Checkz
{quote} Skunny I have a question I noticed that you don't care for the Eur/Usd so which currency works best with your Robonacci system/style of trading?
The Euro isn't driving any market pair - it is hanging on for dear life - the Euro is designed for control of multiple countries it is not an experiment or an attempt to hold any certain value. The value will be a result of control issues - anything inside a 4 hour chart base is not somewhere I want to be with the Euro.

The USD had it's turn hanging on to the others but is now driving the markets with more stability as far as natural movements - this is why A/U and U/J and few others less affected by the Euro is more attractive ATM.

I trade charts - so the best charts get my orders - there is no longer a pair that rules for a long time. You saw what they did to the pound/yen years back? You just have to be in the pair that they let run and propel to find the best opportunities.

It is my opinion the E/U is a tough cookie ATM those trading daily MA crosses look like genius' but try to run them on a 1 hour or 15min and you will blow an acct.
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  • Feb 19, 2015 6:24am Feb 19, 2015 6:24am
Quoting Checkz
{quote} Skunny I have a question I noticed that you don't care for the Eur/Usd so which currency works best with your Robonacci system/style of trading?
Checkz,

I can chime in on this as well. I spent a lot of time kind of knowing what I was doing ( I still might be there to some degree) , but once I figured how Robonnaci worked ( in some way) outside of just SR with tight stops in a fib frame ...there was a whole new set of challenges.

Eu is a beast right now because eventhough you know where it is going or think you have isolated it... because of what is going on in the world you are getting insane pull backs and retraces all over the place and god forbid you missed something and are wrong(which gets easier the more screwed up an instrument gets). Almost nothing goes straight to target on larger ranges ( you have to short up the range so relative time even if it retraces hard it wili get to target quick) and less so when there are a lot of cooks in the kitchen,

If you choose to trade EU you absolutely need either a wider range and patience or a smaller range with mediated risk in a larger range and to be acutely aware of news. It is turning on a dime on every fib target(which you have risk adjusted for Robonacci is like nails on a chalk board). It is 100% being buoyed up by big money and or dumb traders who don;t know what we do and we have to work with everyday. No tinfoil hat, charts are showing it. The Euro is Toast it is just a matter of unknown time.

Also with EU I don;t honestly know what news might do to it...meaning if all signs are saying go left can someone come is and grab you by the neck and drag you hard right and ignore all the signs? Maybe? I don;t think so, but I don;t know. This makes exposure to EU nerve-wracking where Robanacci is supposed to be pretty calm and worry free.

A picture is worth 1000 words and this one is from recent memory on UY. Just because you get the fib and it is perfect(natural no fiddling on the pull and started from a good spot to pull that way) doesn't mean it is going straight there. 178 hours later we made target after a million retraces. Two fibs are a good Idea. . Risk is approached different(or not) with Robonacci or will be so I focus on being right and getting n and out.
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  • Edited 9:57am Mar 2, 2015 7:49am | Edited 9:57am
As I put together new material I will share some of it here - in my next effort I am taking a whole new approach by getting you guys to understand the fact the market is made up of 9 components. "Robonacci" discovered this without my understanding at the time. I am putting together a book starting from the most basic point of origin. It is my belief that traders following Robonacci techniques are missing the mindset that should be created if the information comes in steps leading the techniques. In the past I have spent less time explaining the origins and more time on the mechanics. It worked for some but many never grasped the concept correctly. I will also end this book with a few techniques that should change your trading life and hopefully your life as a whole.
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  • Mar 7, 2015 6:10am Mar 7, 2015 6:10am
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  • Mar 7, 2015 6:12am Mar 7, 2015 6:12am
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  • Mar 7, 2015 6:41am Mar 7, 2015 6:41am
In the pictures previously posted with candles numbered 1-9 every one of those candles regardless of it's number is made up of 9 components. The chart that is more difficult to see is a result of many different cycles packed into a smaller area - more so these cycles do not match up support and resistance as often thus creating a more confusing look for us.

The one that is more clear either has more conforming fibs running together or less fibs to conform to.

The markets aren't going to be easily read from week to week - when you say the market is ranging what does that mean to you?

To me it means there are many cycles in that area including a more dominant fib that may need to eat (retrace) before it can move on. If the dominant fib is complete then a reversal is likely after it completes the less significant cycles - if there are no cycles to clean up and they all met at the same point or before you will see a more violent move in the opposite direction (railroad tracks).

To others it may mean - market stall,ranging, "movers" are deciding direction, etc etc etc.

But if you are going to trade using fibs you must relate everything to fibs and find the issue and solution to your questions by using fibs.
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