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  • #881
  • Dec 5, 2014 8:20am Dec 5, 2014 8:20am
About Eitan
I think FF lost one of the great trader who helped a lot to many traders freely long time. He is a good guy and always helped others. It is not good that his membership revoked after with misunderstanding with one of his clients. As far as I know he always use large stoploss levels to overcome noise.
Hope he will get membership back soon.
Regards
  • #882
  • Dec 5, 2014 8:27am Dec 5, 2014 8:27am
Quoting trader34
{quote} No my misguided friend, you are wrong. There is no conspiracy theory here...just a simple request for facts. If you call me a naysayer for simply asking for some proof, then sure.....guilty! But i am not twisting anything. I, and others have asked for one simple thing...proof. I previously stated I don't know whether Eitan qualified as a scam in the true sense, but he certainly was selling his method with no factual basis nor proof of success. My suspicion is he was relying on the good will from people like yourself to get his system sold,...
He had evidence, he had a trade explorer, but his system simply failed and he closed them. He doesnt have 3 years of profit, he has 3 years of losses. But he wouldnt be able to sell if you show how bad his system was.

I think they are all like that. They talk tall but never show any proof of what they said. Whenever you ask for proof, they either ban you or they drive the conversation away... or both.

Anyways, it seems that the Mods were reading this thread and took action. ForexFactory made an important step to improve things. Maybe in the future they will ask people to show proof of their trading before being allowed to post anything commercial.
Daily progress produces consistent growth
  • #883
  • Dec 5, 2014 8:28am Dec 5, 2014 8:28am
Quoting cariddi74
{quote} Students still trading with Eitan with them (me too...today no job hours..so that's also why i am wasting my time replying to all the craps here ) Cariddi shocked ..but not so much, hoping mods, will understand soon their mistake...and not to follow the blind shouting crowd so easily next time... Bolded: some others (not addressed to you personally) are natural born professional naysayers. ..what is the worst? Who knows...
And how long will you still be around .............

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  • #884
  • Dec 5, 2014 8:30am Dec 5, 2014 8:30am
I will have to agree with some that eitan was a nice guy and tried to help some noobs when he was not a commercial member.
From the time he went commercial I cannot comment cause I do not know, nor do I know how good his system was.
That his subs know.....

4x
  • #885
  • Dec 5, 2014 8:34am Dec 5, 2014 8:34am
Quoting 4xPIPAHOLIC
I will have to agree with some that eitan was a nice guy and tried to help some noobs when he was not a commercial member. From the time he went commercial I cannot comment cause I do not know, nor do I know how good his system was. That his subs know..... 4x
Being nice and helpful is how they manage to scam people :

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A con artist may appear quite pleasant and/or helpful. This tactic helps them stay under the radar, adds another facet to their plausible deniability ('He
wouldn't do that. He's a good guy!'), and this helps them build up followers who will defend them against skeptics. One to one, this facade of innocence is a
personal defense without having to apply any effort. Normal people don't usually challenge/attack innocent people, so it often takes a long time for this type of
con to get called out
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  • #886
  • Dec 5, 2014 8:44am Dec 5, 2014 8:44am
Nothing's new here ..... watch new usernames coming out to build followers, confidence and credibility then go for the kill. The vicious cycle repeated over and over ......

A con artist may appear quite pleasant and/or helpful. This tactic helps them stay under the radar, adds another facet to their plausible deniability ('He wouldn't do that. He's a good guy!'), and this helps them build up followers who will defend them against skeptics. One to one, this facade of innocence is a personal defense without having to apply any effort. Normal people don't usually challenge/attack innocent people, so it often takes a long time for this type of con to get called out
  • #887
  • Dec 5, 2014 8:46am Dec 5, 2014 8:46am
Quoting Daimari
{quote} He had evidence, he had a trade explorer, but his system simply failed and he closed them. He doesnt have 3 years of profit, he has 3 years of losses. But he wouldnt be able to sell if you show how bad his system was. I think they are all like that. They talk tall but never show any proof of what they said. Whenever you ask for proof, they either ban you or they drive the conversation away... or both. Anyways, it seems that the Mods were reading this thread and took action. ForexFactory made an important step to improve things. Maybe in...
You right and wrong. I run a thread down in commercial (not trying to sell anything and in wrong place but that doesn't matter).

Commercial has a purpose and I sort of understand where you coming from. But anyone buying a 'system' from some one from the other side of the world before testing it for a few months at least - well they shouldn't be in this game.

Where I sort of disagree is showing proof of trading. Ok it maybe a good idea (and certainly want to see before buying) but no one forces people to buy these things or go to commercial. It's all down to the individual.

Just my thoughts.
  • #888
  • Dec 5, 2014 8:59am Dec 5, 2014 8:59am
Quoting claudia1
{quote} You right and wrong. I run a thread down in commercial (not trying to sell anything and in wrong place but that doesn't matter). Commercial has a purpose and I sort of understand where you coming from. But anyone buying a 'system' from some one from the other side of the world before testing it for a few months at least - well they shouldn't be in this game. Where I sort of disagree is showing proof of trading. Ok it maybe a good idea (and certainly want to see before buying) but no one forces people to buy these things or go to commercial....
Well, when people start in this market they dont expect to lose money or being scam, yet it happen very often. The new member are like children, they always expect others to be honest and often tend to fall for scam. If we ask the people who sell product to show their results, we will be helping the new members from falling to a trap.

Besides, it only take a minute to open a trade explorer, why do they all refuse to do it ??
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  • #889
  • Dec 5, 2014 9:06am Dec 5, 2014 9:06am
Quoting Ken A
Nothing's new here ..... watch new usernames coming out to build followers, confidence and credibility then go for the kill. The vicious cycle repeated over and over ...... A con artist may appear quite pleasant and/or helpful. This tactic helps them stay under the radar, adds another facet to their plausible deniability ('He wouldn't do that. He's a good guy!'), and this helps them build up followers who will defend them against skeptics. One to one, this facade of innocence is a personal defense without having to apply any effort. Normal people...
True sometimes, but really cynic. But again..this does not mean one is GUILTY UNTIL PROVEN INOCENT like some people would like to pass as a rule here...
  • #890
  • Dec 5, 2014 9:08am Dec 5, 2014 9:08am
Quoting Daimari
{quote} Well, when people start in this market they dont expect to lose money or being scam, yet it happen very often. The new member are like children, they always expect others to be honest and often tend to fall for scam. If we ask the people who sell product to show their results, we will be helping the new members from falling to a trap. Besides, it only take a minute to open a trade explorer, why do they all refuse to do it ??
I know why and so do you.
  • #891
  • Dec 5, 2014 9:08am Dec 5, 2014 9:08am
Quoting Daimari
{quote} Well, when people start in this market they dont expect to lose money or being scam, yet it happen very often. The new member are like children, they always expect others to be honest and often tend to fall for scam. If we ask the people who sell product to show their results, we will be helping the new members from falling to a trap. Besides, it only take a minute to open a trade explorer, why do they all refuse to do it ??
Some philosopher told Homo homini lupus. Aristoteles if i am not wrong said quite the contrary a.k.a. men is a social animal.
The truth is in the middle...a.k.a. human have both sides... good and evil.
  • #892
  • Dec 5, 2014 9:10am Dec 5, 2014 9:10am
Quoting cariddi74
{quote} True sometimes, but really cynic. But again..this does not mean one is GUILTY UNTIL PROVEN INOCENT like some people would like to pass as a rule here...
Then it will be too later after taking money from FF members and being victimized .....

The scammers will comeback with many new usernames ....... working as a group

Do you think FF will let you do that?
  • #893
  • Dec 5, 2014 9:13am Dec 5, 2014 9:13am
Good job ...Forex factory moderators.
you have prevented eitan from becoming jacko.
  • #894
  • Dec 5, 2014 9:14am Dec 5, 2014 9:14am
For all the non totally dumb here (i know there is somebody though..negativity is a quick disease in spreading even in clever minds..)
Take a look here whereis said the truth about another cool HONEST guy UNFAIRLY banned (actually):

http://www.forexfactory.com/showthread.php?p=7923924
  • #895
  • Dec 5, 2014 9:18am Dec 5, 2014 9:18am
Quoting Ken A
{quote} Then it will be too later after taking money from FF members and being victimized ..... The scammers will comeback with many new usernames ....... working as a group Do you think FF will let you do that?
FF made a big mistake ..and it's not the first time...maybe you will remember the suspension of Nihilist....one of the best person here!
They are in time maybe to fix it. Or i would eat back my sentence in which i said times ago that FF is a better place than other forum where the reality , th egood of people and the justice are the less important thing cared :nerd:
  • #896
  • Dec 5, 2014 9:19am Dec 5, 2014 9:19am
Quoting cariddi74
For all the non totally dumb here (i know there is somebody though..negativity is a quick disease in spreading even in clever minds..) Take a look here whereis said the truth about another cool HONEST guy UNFAIRLY banned (actually): http://www.forexfactory.com/showthread.php?p=7923924
Carriddi...You are completely missing the point here. If you want to sell something, you need to prove it's worth...PERIOD. A few people saying..oh, he helped me so much or this and that......bottom line is what he is selling worth XXX dollars or Euros. In my opinion, if you want to sell a method / system of trading here, it is quite simple....trade it in a live TE and prove it has a positive expectancy...end of conversation. Anything other than that is nothing but snake oil sales.

Please see my thread about positive expectancy.....it is proof positive that there are people here selling things that WILL NOT make you any money...and at best will lose your money slowly. http://www.forexfactory.com/showthread.php?t=516419


In the case of Eitan or vigovski...if someone could simply provide real proof that yes, I paid XXX for this system and I have made XXX dollars trading it and have real proof...then a mistake might have been made......Otherwise...snake oil sales

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  • #897
  • Dec 5, 2014 9:20am Dec 5, 2014 9:20am
Quoting ronaleo10
Good job ...Forex factory moderators. you have prevented eitan from becoming jacko.

Really "good" job... no doubt about that. Maybe there will realize after or before how good the job has been done ....
  • #898
  • Dec 5, 2014 9:24am Dec 5, 2014 9:24am
Wow FF is not playing games today. Let's call it... "Revoke Friday".

Let's add Kiads to the list...

Anyone know what this red flag member may have done or was about to do...?

It's like a police bust where they raid all the suspects houses on the same day and same time...

bad boys, bad boys, whatcha ya gonna do~~~~~ whatcha gonna do when they come for you

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  • #899
  • Dec 5, 2014 9:25am Dec 5, 2014 9:25am
Quoting swingtrade65
{quote} Carriddi...You are completely missing the point here. If you want to sell something, you need to prove it's worth...PERIOD. A few people saying..oh, he helped me so much or this and that......bottom line is what he is selling worth XXX dollars or Euros. In my opinion, if you want to sell a method / system of trading here, it is quite simple....trade it in a live TE and prove it has a positive expectancy...end of conversation. Anything other than that is nothing but snake oil sales. Please see my thread about positive expectancy.....it is...
Maybe prooves coming soon...who knows....up to Eitan and Vigovsky.
But i already know the vipers here will find other excuse to bash anyway, i can bet on it. Well if they want the WWIII here they unsleeped the right dog
  • #900
  • Dec 5, 2014 9:26am Dec 5, 2014 9:26am
Quoting swingtrade65
{quote} Carriddi...You are completely missing the point here. If you want to sell something, you need to prove it's worth...PERIOD. A few people saying..oh, he helped me so much or this and that......bottom line is what he is selling worth XXX dollars or Euros. In my opinion, if you want to sell a method / system of trading here, it is quite simple....trade it in a live TE and prove it has a positive expectancy...end of conversation. Anything other than that is nothing but snake oil sales. Please see my thread about positive expectancy.....it is...

Well said!
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