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  • #721
  • Dec 3, 2014 6:46am Dec 3, 2014 6:46am
Quoting cariddi74
{quote} Sorry, you missing the point again...Re-read my point 2 and UNDERSTAND the system,please. BTW, the fact R:R is the only important factor in a system is not very clever, IMHO. You can have system that win 3 times the risked pips (risk: reward = 1:3) , but they win 20% of the time. Would you like to use this ones?
Cariddi,
BEFORE, I decided to purchase Eithan's system, I asked him a question about r/r.
The answer for that was CRUCIAL, at least for me. He said: risk 1 to get 2.
So together with high win rate, as he showed on his thread, I decided to buy it.
Then it came out the r/r ratio info provided was not true.
Seems like either you make politics here, or don't understand simple English sentences.
Mind is the King
  • #722
  • Dec 3, 2014 6:53am Dec 3, 2014 6:53am
Quoting MikiMax
{quote} Cariddi, BEFORE, I decided to purchase Eithan's system, I asked him a question about r/r. The answer for that was CRUCIAL, at least for me. He said: risk 1 to get 2. So together with high win rate, as he showed on his thread, I decided to buy it. Then it came out the r/r ratio info provided was not true. Seems like either you make politics here, or don't understand simple English sentences.
I don't know about the eventual misundestandings about you and Eitan....but you are the lonely one saying he was LIYING about this thing...don't you think this smells a bit fishy?...or something "politics" by your side? (or politically uncorrect for better saying).
BTW, if you discover a system near 100% winning rate with a FIXED risk:reward 1:2 (Eitan system has variable ratio as said...you can simple BYPASS the trades that don't fit you R:R ideas....simple...but you like to be babysitted...and if the trade goes wrong, well ..crying around shouting scam... )... well:

1- you can buy the ticket for Stoccolma asap for getting the nobel in economics
2- i will buy it from you for 100K, ok?
  • #723
  • Dec 3, 2014 7:01am Dec 3, 2014 7:01am
Quoting cariddi74
{quote} Sorry, you missing the point again...Re-read my point 2 and UNDERSTAND the system,please. BTW, the fact R:R is the only important factor in a system is not very clever, IMHO. You can have system that win 3 times the risked pips (risk: reward = 1:3) , but they win 20% of the time. Would you like to use this ones?
Cariddi, the point of MikiMax is a bit different: he asked a question about R/R and didn't get the right answer. And I can only agree here with him.
With all the respect to Eitan, my opinion in this situation is simple (and that's what I said in Skype group): Eitan should return the money and close the discussion. It's just not worth it. But I will repeat: it's just my opinion and nothing else.

Best regards,
Artem
Let's go with the flow
  • #724
  • Dec 3, 2014 7:03am Dec 3, 2014 7:03am
Quoting cariddi74
{quote} I don't know about the eventual misundestandings about you and Eitan....but you are the lonely one saying he was LIYING about this thing...don't you think this smells a bit fishy?...or something "politics" by your side? (or politically uncorrect for better saying). BTW, if you discover a system near 100% winning rate with a FIXED risk:reward 1:2 (Eitan system has variable ratio as said...you can simple BYPASS the trades that don't fit you R:R ideas....simple...but you like to be babysitted...and if the trade goes wrong, well ..crying around...
no im saying he is a crook also eitan has no money so he cant pay back its simple ,i understand you have the latest pied piper on ff as your hero ,maybe you will grow out of that or maybe not
student
  • #725
  • Dec 3, 2014 7:06am Dec 3, 2014 7:06am
Quoting garrye
{quote} no im saying he is a crook also eitan has no money so he cant pay back its simple ,i understand you have the latest pied piper on ff as your hero ,maybe you will grow out of that or maybe not
Twee and his collaborators already in the know about your nasty REPEATED and slanderous name calling... maybe you will get a suspension or maybe not (hopefully the 1st )
  • #726
  • Dec 3, 2014 7:10am Dec 3, 2014 7:10am
So, just thinking out loud....

Approximately 70 members, paying $270 each, for a system and 2 hour tutorial.

Approximate net gain $135 per hour, or total of $18,900.
Essentially for one months work (thread started Nov 2nd).

The numbers are pretty good.

If the system results speak for themselves, and there is only one single unhappy party....why not (if for no other reason than a show of good faith) refund him?

The whole issue would go away, the refunded party would have been satisfied, and the reputation would remain intact for a very small reimbursement .

I can't see the logic in the ignore approach.
Wealth comes from what you keep, not what you earn
  • #727
  • Dec 3, 2014 7:10am Dec 3, 2014 7:10am
It's difficult to tell who is a genuine satisfied customer from the seller's side marketing team promoting the product ....

The system didn't work because EURUSD is not in the basket and the buyer didn't understand the system - not a very brilliant sales pitch ....
  • #728
  • Dec 3, 2014 7:12am Dec 3, 2014 7:12am
Quoting artem_t
{quote} Cariddi, the point of MikiMax is a bit different: he asked a question about R/R and didn't get the right answer. And I can only agree here with him. With all the respect to Eitan, my opinion in this situation is simple (and that's what I said in Skype group): Eitan should return the money and close the discussion. It's just not worth it. But I will repeat: it's just my opinion and nothing else. Best regards, Artem
I appreciate your savvy way to think. It's a pleasure to see there are civil people also in a thread that, in spite of the good intentions of the starter, has become a place just for venting, name calling, 1-1 fighting, ALL-1 fighting etc etc....
Eitan has the last word about your proposal of course. I have also to agree to the bolded...some people wanna the Holy Grail (100% winning 2:1 R:R), wanna 2 hours of free training, wanna a skype group where there are analysis, suggestion etc..., wanna be baysitted in trading......but evidently it's not enough.
  • #729
  • Dec 3, 2014 7:13am Dec 3, 2014 7:13am
Quoting cariddi74
{quote} I don't know about the eventual misundestandings about you and Eitan....but you are the lonely one saying he was LIYING about this thing...don't you think this smells a bit fishy?...or something "politics" by your side? (or politically uncorrect for better saying). BTW, if you discover a system near 100% winning rate with a FIXED risk:reward 1:2 (Eitan system has variable ratio as said...you can simple BYPASS the trades that don't fit you R:R ideas....simple...but you like to be babysitted...and if the trade goes wrong, well ..crying around...
Yes...You've got all chat transcript from Skype and you do not know??
Seems like it's hard to make a simple reasoning on your side...
It is nothing hidden here already, although I did not want to make it public.
My point is simple: if you offer something for others, be clear and precise
with answers. If you can't say for example what your system's r/r is,
or that is NOT FIXED, say it! It was NOT the case here as everyone knows already.
That's why I said to others, beware.
Mind is the King
  • #730
  • Dec 3, 2014 7:15am Dec 3, 2014 7:15am
Quoting Ken A
It's difficult to tell who is a genuine satisfied customer from the seller's side marketing team promoting the product .... The system didn't work because EURUSD is not in the basket and the buyer didn't understand the system - not a very brilliant sales pitch ....
Also it's difficult to separate genuine thinkers from the witch hunt side team in the thread, using whatever silly complain to explode a scam scam shouting....don't you think?
  • #731
  • Dec 3, 2014 7:16am Dec 3, 2014 7:16am
Quoting MikiMax
{quote} Yes...You've got all chat transcript from Skype and you do not know?? Seems like it's hard to make a simple reasoning on your side... It is nothing hidden here already, although I did not want to make it public. My point is simple: if you offer something for others, be clear and precise with answers. If you can't say for example what your system's r/r is, or that is NOT FIXED, say it! It was NOT the case here as everyone knows already. That's why I said to others, beware.
It works both ways it seems, so, keep your idea. I won't lose my time anymore replying to you, sorry.
  • #732
  • Dec 3, 2014 7:23am Dec 3, 2014 7:23am
Quoting Ken A
It's difficult to tell who is a genuine satisfied customer from the seller's side marketing team promoting the product .... The system didn't work because EURUSD is not in the basket and the buyer didn't understand the system - not a very brilliant sales pitch ....
Ken,
I know it is not in the basket, but Eithan and followers TOOK that trade
so I gave that example, it came out it was a loss a little after my training with him.
It's easy to give trade examples belonging to the basket with similar, 30 or more pips of SL.
I'm talking only about that r/r ratio thing, as when one gets an answer:
A. risk/reward is 1 to 2
B. risk/reward is 1 to 2 but it is not fixed (as already mentioned)
C. risk/reward depends on different factors.
etc.
Do You get my point? Taking any of those answers one gets another view of the system.
I was presented with the A answer which in FACT is not true as Cariddi already mentioned.
Mind is the King
  • #733
  • Dec 3, 2014 7:25am Dec 3, 2014 7:25am
Quoting MikiMax
{quote} Ken, I know it is not in the basket, but Eithan and followers TOOK that trade so I gave that example, it came out it was a loss a little after my training with him. It's easy to give trade examples belonging to the basket with similar, 30 or more pips of SL. I'm talking only about that r/r ratio thing, as when one gets an answer: A. risk/reward is 1 to 2 B. risk/reward is 1 to 2 but it is not fixed (as already mentioned) C. risk/reward depends on different factors. etc. Do You get my point? Taking any of those answers one gets another view...

That's what I said using that excuse to cover up losing trade is not a very smart .....

Nov 26, 2014

Buy EURUSD at 1.2527 with stop at 1.2440

Buy at the top of the range target profit 15 pips risk 87 pips (Risk 5.8 to get 1)

GREAT SYSTEM !!!


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  • #734
  • Dec 3, 2014 7:28am Dec 3, 2014 7:28am
Quoting Ken A
{quote} That's what I said using that excuse is not a very smart .....
Softly speaking....
Either his intentions are not genuine, as he claims, or he does not know his system...
Mind is the King
  • #735
  • Dec 3, 2014 7:29am Dec 3, 2014 7:29am
Quoting MikiMax
{quote} Ken,
I know it is not in the basket, but Eithan and followers TOOK that trade
so I gave that example, it came out it was a loss a little after my training with him.
It's easy to give trade examples belonging to the basket with similar, 30 or more pips of SL.
I'm talking only about that r/r ratio thing, as when one gets an answer:
A. risk/reward is 1 to 2
B. risk/reward is 1 to 2 but it is not fixed (as already mentioned)
C. risk/reward depends on different factors.
etc.
Do You get my point? Taking any of those answers one gets another view of the system.
I was presented with the A answer which in FACT is not true as Cariddi already mentioned
It's true if you UNDERSTAND the system (tp1, tp2, tp3)...simply the winning rate decreases (as it is OBVIOUS) if more than 15 pips.
I said i would'n have replied to you anymore, but sorry...if you mispresent not only the reality, but also MY words, well.... you will get STILL my replies.

Quoting MikiMax
{quote} Softly speaking.... Either his intentions are not genuine, as he claims, or he does not know his system...
Who don't know the system for sure is YOU, reading what you say. Me using it even now..cause i UNDERSTOOD it
  • #736
  • Dec 3, 2014 7:33am Dec 3, 2014 7:33am
Quoting cariddi74
{quote} It's true if you UNDERSTAND the system (tp1, tp2, tp3)...simply the winning rate decreases (as it is OBVIOUS) if more than 15 pips. I said i would'n have replied to you anymore, but sorry...if you mispresent not only the reality, but also MY words, well.... you will get STILL my replies.
so he SHOULD mentioned then, BEFORE the purchase.
Obviously he did NOT, and I understand now why.

Quoting MikiMax
{quote} Softly speaking.... Either his intentions are not genuine, as he claims, or he does not know his system..

He=Eithan
Mind is the King
  • #737
  • Dec 3, 2014 7:36am Dec 3, 2014 7:36am
Quoting MikiMax
{quote} so he SHOULD mentioned then, BEFORE the purchase. Obviously he did NOT, and I understand now why. Quoting MikiMax {quote} Softly speaking.... Either his intentions are not genuine, as he claims, or he does not know his system.. He=Eithan
Go to Clickbank, please...
  • #738
  • Dec 3, 2014 7:36am Dec 3, 2014 7:36am
Quoting cariddi74
{quote} Go to Clickbank, please...
it is good you show your true face as well...
Mind is the King
  • #739
  • Dec 3, 2014 7:40am Dec 3, 2014 7:40am
Quoting cariddi74
{quote} Also it's difficult to separate genuine thinkers from the witch hunt side team in the thread, using whatever silly complain to explode a scam scam shouting....don't you think?
simple he refunds and i would like to see your losses in a few months time 100%
student
  • #740
  • Dec 3, 2014 7:42am Dec 3, 2014 7:42am
Quoting cariddi74
{quote} Twee and his collaborators already in the know about your nasty REPEATED and slanderous name calling... maybe you will get a suspension or maybe not (hopefully the 1st )
twee and i have a good vibe mate little do you know anyway show us a te of your trades with eitan demo or live .i dont care but u will your money u might as well set on fire now all 250 usd of it
student
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