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  • #13,041
  • Nov 22, 2014 10:30am Nov 22, 2014 10:30am
Quoting kprsa
{quote} infinitus, i think at the pirate pip's thread there are compiled pdfs where you can read about the ideas from the thread. this would save your time and energy. i will be happy to talk about my viewpoint on specific criticisms. i cannot answer statements like 'the entire thread is garbage'. k

see, the annoying part is that people are constantly claiming I should read the thread to understand. I think that I have shown in all of my postings enough of material and reference to all kind of statements made here, to make clear what I am talking about.


Since some of the ideas here are basically flawed, appliance of statistics or probabilities simply wrong, I do not even need to read all the content to rebut this stuff.

Why do you choose now the low way to imply, that I have said, that the whole thread is garbage. That is a meme some here (maybe with hidden agenda) try to establish on me.

How many time shall I repeat, that I value the work on the indicator, but argue that the high probability for the trade it advocates is plainly wrong.



The simple reason I read the thread from the beginning of the Ultimate truth thread or the Delicate secret thread is simply because I love mathematics and statistics. I came not here because I felt the need to improve my trading basically.


In my very own view this constant advise to me or others, too, in this thread, to start reading the thread from the very beginning is very annoying and does not serve the purpose a message board has. Maybe it is easier to block people with that than to show flag and explain and discuss what one thinks to have.

I have not counted how often I have explained e.g. the use of Murrey Math or Elliott Wave in my threads and in private. Either you like to share and to help or you don't. If you don't, what is the purpose of being here in FF?
  • #13,042
  • Nov 22, 2014 10:32am Nov 22, 2014 10:32am
Quoting infinitus
{quote} Just curious here: first we had a nice exchange, where we agreed on pretty much, and now I got the knife in my back? Help, where I am here?
It seems to me that you try to catch every change to burn this thread. That doesn’t matter to me, but I don’t think it is fair to newcomers in the future, because I think there is valuable information in this thread. So don't take it personal. Also Kiads did some great work in this thread.

I was referring to this sentence: “If you really prefer the simple way, a few hand drawn supply/demand lines would have done the trick also”.
  • #13,043
  • Nov 22, 2014 10:36am Nov 22, 2014 10:36am
Quoting infinitus
{quote} Just curious here: first we had a nice exchange, where we agreed on pretty much, and now I got the knife in my back? Help, where I am here?
No idea.

 

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  • #13,044
  • Nov 22, 2014 10:38am Nov 22, 2014 10:38am
I just decided to not longer engage in any discussion here


My time is as valuable as yours and I am not in desperate need of improving my trading skills.

Anyone who is interested in discussing things with me can meet me in one of my own threads or in Schickerias thread.


Wish you good time and success with what every floats your boat
  • #13,045
  • Nov 22, 2014 10:54am Nov 22, 2014 10:54am
Quoting infinitus
who is interested in discussing things with me can meet me in one of my own threads or in Schickerias thread. Wish you good time and success with what every floats your boat
Amen! See you there.
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  • #13,046
  • Nov 22, 2014 10:55am Nov 22, 2014 10:55am
secrets. inner circles. private groups. holy grails.
"don't tell anybody, keep it secret" - yes, we have read that somewhere
infinitus, i do not think you will go anywhere with these "keepers of the secrets".
the truth is these concepts do not work/can not be profitable UNLESS you add some more important ingredients to them. to prove this I have to just mention all trading explorers opened by TS's followers with high expectations, and disappearing after Mr. Margincall advised them this place is not a "get rich overnight". (Including EURUSDD's TE)
and last, another truth - if to apply the right ingredients, one can trade successfully any system.
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  • #13,047
  • Nov 22, 2014 11:49am Nov 22, 2014 11:49am
Quoting infinitus
{quote} Hi LiquidGenius, great work, great response. Thank you very much for that. Will dig through that and answer on that way. So do not be disappointed, when I can not address all in the next hours LOL But the weekend is long, so stay tuned. Let me say something first: it was never about good or bad. It is about the right application of math and statistics.
The pleasure is mine. Thanks for stopping by


for everyone else,
I believe that unless someone wants to make a case and argue/compare statistics, arguing the other points dwindles in efficiency. As I showed in the previous post, one can take the concept of "pure tzs" and create wave theory out of them. This I think is something very people have done. Had I been successful in this approach, stating that I trade "nothing but tzs" seems a bit misleading. Yet it true isn't it? This route is the one that Kiads, Fx-Jay, and other successful traders have done. Kiads using renko/range/non-time based bars, and Jay using who knows what. I wasn't picked to be in the club (darn). As stated by Vlad and many many other people, the actual TZ concept will only take you so far if you don't have a trading strategy already. It offers great odds for specific price points to be hit, however you need your own method to prevent you from sticking to the failed trades to become successful with it.

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  • #13,048
  • Nov 22, 2014 11:52am Nov 22, 2014 11:52am
Quoting tashkent
secrets. inner circles. private groups. holy grails. "don't tell anybody, keep it secret" - yes, we have read that somewhere infinitus, i do not think you will go anywhere with these "keepers of the secrets". the truth is these concepts do not work/can not be profitable UNLESS you add some more important ingredients to them. to prove this I have to just mention all trading explorers opened by TS's followers with high expectations, and disappearing after Mr. Margincall advised them this place is not a "get rich overnight". (Including EURUSDD's...
There are no secrets or holy grails here, maybe private groups. These posts are pretty good posts on the TZ concept and how it can be traded.
http://www.forexfactory.com/showthread.php?p=7883357#post7883357

This is a good example from a trade that could have been taken with the TZ concept in mind.
http://www.forexfactory.com/showthread.php?p=7890902#post7890902

Trade explorers with mr Margin call are no proof that the concepts in here don't work. It is only proof for bad moneymanagement. Or believing that a level must be cleared with certainty.
  • #13,049
  • Edited 2:04pm Nov 22, 2014 12:37pm | Edited 2:04pm
Quoting infinitus
{quote} Why do you choose now the low way to imply, that I have said, that the whole thread is garbage. That is a meme some here (maybe with hidden agenda) try to establish on me.
Quoting infinitus
{quote} In my very own view this constant advise to me or others, too, in this thread, to start reading the thread from the very beginning is very annoying and does not serve the purpose a message board has. Maybe it is easier to block people with that than to show flag and explain and discuss what one thinks to have. (...) Either you like to share and to help or you don't. If you don't, what is the purpose of being here in FF?
The thing I don't like about you personally, infinite, is that you provoke people with your careless words and then either block them as a senior member or threaten to block them.

You also seem to be quite convinced that you know more mathematics/statistics than the people you are talking to, which is not necessarily correct.

k
  • #13,050
  • Nov 22, 2014 12:49pm Nov 22, 2014 12:49pm
Quoting kprsa
{quote} {quote} The thing I don't like about you personally, infinite, is that you provoke people with your careless words and then either block them as a senior member or threaten to block them. You also seem to be quite convinced that you know more mathematics/statistics than the people you are talking to, which is not necessarily correct. k
Hi kprsa, Hi kiads,
I'm the one who suspended kiads. The reason is simple, Infinitus has not insulted kiad or anyone who defends the eurusdd ideas. He's discussing about the correctness/exactitude of the probabilities claimed by the pro recurrent/transient zone followers. If Infinitus is wrong, what one should do is to show him where he is mistaken, not insulting him as being sexually frustrated. The FF code of conduct is pretty clear on this. I'm sure that you understand that the arguments should not go personal if we want this place to be open to the debate.
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  • #13,051
  • Nov 22, 2014 12:55pm Nov 22, 2014 12:55pm
Quoting maximinus
{quote} Hi kprsa, Hi kiads, I'm the one who suspended kiads. The reason is simple, Infinitus has not insulted kiad or anyone who defends the eurusdd ideas. He's discussing about the correctness/exactitude of the probabilities claimed by the pro recurrent/transient zone followers. If Infi is wrong, what one should do is to show him where he is mistaken, not insulting him as being sexually frustrated. The FF code of conduct is pretty clear on this.
I am not referring to Kiads. I am referring to the explicit threat that infinitus will block people who tell him that he should read the thread that he is attempting to discuss. Also, yes, he is unfortunately insulting people he is discussing with.

k
  • #13,052
  • Nov 22, 2014 1:00pm Nov 22, 2014 1:00pm
Quoting GU-Night
{quote} There are no secrets or holy grails here, maybe private groups. These posts are pretty good posts on the TZ concept and how it can be traded. http://www.forexfactory.com/showthread.php?p=7883357#post7883357 This is a good example from a trade that could have been taken with the TZ concept in mind. http://www.forexfactory.com/showthread.php?p=7890902#post7890902 Trade explorers with mr Margin call are no proof that the concepts in here don't work. It is only proof for bad moneymanagement. Or believing that a level must...
i feel that there is "a point somewhere out there" we all can agree upon
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  • #13,053
  • Nov 22, 2014 1:02pm Nov 22, 2014 1:02pm
Quoting kprsa
{quote} I am not referring to Kiads. I am referring to the explicit threat that infinitus will block people who tell him that he should read the thread that he is attempting to discuss. Also, yes, he is unfortunately insulting people he is discussing with. k
I take the responsibility of Kiads suspension. I assume that openly and publicly, I'm not hiding myself, and I state the reason for suspending him.
I am for open debates, we can debate with force and passion, but always respect the persons in the others side of the fence. If you find that at same point Infinitus insulted someone, then you should report the post to Twee. To my knowledge he has not done that. The code of conduct apply to everyone.
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  • #13,054
  • Nov 22, 2014 1:13pm Nov 22, 2014 1:13pm
Quoting kprsa
{quote} I am not referring to Kiads. I am referring to the explicit threat that infinitus will block people who tell him that he should read the thread that he is attempting to discuss. Also, yes, he is unfortunately insulting people he is discussing with. k
Quoting infinitus
{quote} Maybe it is easier to block people with that than to show flag and explain and discuss what one thinks to have. I have not counted how often I have explained e.g. the use of Murrey Math or Elliott Wave in my threads and in private. Either you like to share and to help or you don't. If you don't, what is the purpose of being here in FF?
He is not threatening to abuse his power by suspending people. Please read it again.
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  • #13,055
  • Nov 22, 2014 1:25pm Nov 22, 2014 1:25pm
Quoting infinitus
{quote} Yeah, that is the point: nothing to reveal. There is simply no hidden germ to be found. Presenting me now, after all what was said, such a chart, I have to say, you have not understand what was laid out earlier. If you really prefer the simple way, a few hand drawn supply/demand lines would have done the trick also
I don't see much of a gem either but the thread helped me reflecting. IMO transient and reccurent is just some fancy tag on common knowledge.

Breakouts normaly fail and if they don't they often got tested, so succsessfull Breakouts and reversals = rare events. If you got a BO/rev it's unlikely that soon there will be another one because they normaly just fail.
The market cycle is spike, channel, trading range, etc. If a trend ends price normaly pulls back to the channel begin. supply and demand meet again (price is 'cheap' enough again to sell/buy). The trading range goes down/up again to test the trends extreme and reverses again (price is not 'cheap' anymore) to test the other sides trading range extrem (that's what trading ranges do). broad channels = biased trading ranges.

gaps late in the trend are just climaxes, nobody is willing to take an expensive price if he can soon get a better price (supply and demand)

betting a mid TZ will be recurrent = betting the breakout will fail. if it is not failing it often will get tested (see kprsa pdf porbability if k=1, 2 etc.).
betting a fractal TZ will be recurrent = a) a trend will continue and you bet on this by buying a pullback (the tend is your friend) or b) the trend ended and probably we are now in a trading range and thereby the price will come down to the extreme (just two sided trading).
  • #13,056
  • Nov 22, 2014 1:26pm Nov 22, 2014 1:26pm
Quoting maximinus
{quote} Hi kprsa, Hi kiads, I'm the one who suspended kiads. The reason is simple, Infinitus has not insulted kiad or anyone who defends the eurusdd ideas. He's discussing about the correctness/exactitude of the probabilities claimed by the pro recurrent/transient zone followers. If Infinitus is wrong, what one should do is to show him where he is mistaken, not insulting him as being sexually frustrated. The FF code of conduct is pretty clear on this. I'm sure that you understand that the arguments should not go personal if we want this place to...

blind men cant seeee I did not insult, but he sure did.... get the facts straight
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  • #13,057
  • Nov 22, 2014 1:35pm Nov 22, 2014 1:35pm
Quoting iamsovereign
{quote} blind men cant seeee I did not insult, but he sure did.... get the facts straight
Sometime I'm blind and sometime I've selective blindness, that's not the case this time. Kiad's last post in this thread is a violation of the code of conduct.
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  • #13,058
  • Nov 22, 2014 1:50pm Nov 22, 2014 1:50pm
Quoting tashkent
{quote} i feel that there is "a point somewhere out there" we all can agree upon wish you guys a happy weekend
So, can you now talk about your secret ‘ingredients’?

Have a nice weekend.
  • #13,059
  • Nov 22, 2014 2:07pm Nov 22, 2014 2:07pm
Quoting GU-Night
{quote} So, can you now talk about your secret ‘ingredients’? Have a nice weekend.
it is not secret my friend. there is no "secret" ingredient either. things i talk about are a lot deeper than most people can comprehend here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4vbPfLd6c0
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  • #13,060
  • Nov 22, 2014 2:25pm Nov 22, 2014 2:25pm
Quoting tashkent
{quote} it is not secret my friend. there is no "secret" ingredient either. things i talk about are a lot deeper than most people can comprehend here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4vbPfLd6c0
That was what I meant, actually. And I thought you was referring to moneymanagement, common sense etc with your "ingredients".

"Nothing" is difficult to comprehend for most people.
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