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  • #121
  • Nov 17, 2014 5:44pm Nov 17, 2014 5:44pm
Quoting cariddi74
{quote} Yes, in the end, maybe. But in same cases they cannot neither defend themselves (cause commercial member cannot post everywhere), and if i would have not popped up here to defend a friend, probably the people would have blatanty absorbed the first negative things said by someone. Then others woulfd have seen not defense by the directed interested and wouyld have thought "well if he don't say nothing to defend himself, that's true that it is a scammer". Twisting the reality by simple word manipulation is not so complicated unfortunately....less...
My friend they can twist all they want....hard evidence is what counts.
And I am aware that he cannot vote because he is in the commercial section but that is the way it is suppose to be...
.....the members have to vote....note the accused...

4x
  • #122
  • Nov 17, 2014 5:47pm Nov 17, 2014 5:47pm
Quoting realjumper
{quote} Quite right. This kind of kangaroo court is reprehensible. The vigilante mentality shown here is shameful and disgusting. This whole thread should be binned....and several people have their memberships revoked. Neither will happen of course......'bums on seats' is more important to FF than common decency and upholding the very rules of this place.... {image}
WOW surprised ...why that.....are you trying to protect someone....
Where is the problem in trying to find the scammers.....??
Hard proof is not herd mentality ....

4x
  • #123
  • Nov 17, 2014 5:47pm Nov 17, 2014 5:47pm
Quoting 4xPIPAHOLIC
{quote} My friend they can twist all they want....hard evidence is what counts. And I am aware that he cannot vote because he is in the commercial section but that is the way it is suppose to be... .....the members have to vote....note the accused... 4x
Yes , but my point is he cannot NEITHER post a defense here. A bit unfair, IMHO.
  • #124
  • Nov 17, 2014 5:55pm Nov 17, 2014 5:55pm
Quoting 4xPIPAHOLIC
{quote} WOW surprised ...why that.....are you trying to protect someone.... Where is the problem in trying to find the scammers.....?? Hard proof is not herd mentality .... 4x
Oh here we go....you are going to accuse me of something now are you?

Listen up....if there is hard proof of fraud, then it needs to be take to the appropriate authority, and if that fraud is upheld in a court of law, then it can be and should be made public in a forum such as this.

But you are not a lawyer much less a judge, and this is not a court of law. All that this thread is achieving is to drag peoples name through the mud based on nothing........

If someone is suspected of fraud...take to the authorities.....and advise the management here of the action.

Lynch mob mentality is unacceptable......

Check out the rules of this place:

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III. No bickering

While trading-related debate is encouraged, members should not engage in mindless arguing, battling, or trolling. Not only does bickering distract others from trading, but it wastes energy for the bickering participants.


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  • #125
  • Nov 17, 2014 5:56pm Nov 17, 2014 5:56pm
Quoting cariddi74
{quote} Yes , but my point is he cannot NEITHER post a defense here. A bit unfair, IMHO.
No but you and the rest of his followers could...and do not forget if someone accuses him they have to provide proof....witch will not exist if he is clean....

4x
  • #126
  • Nov 17, 2014 6:01pm Nov 17, 2014 6:01pm
Quoting jmn5611
Scamming can be defined as asking for money to deliver a product or service and then not delivering that product or service. Another word for scamming is fraud. Even inflated claims is not scamming. That is called advertising and every commercial does this. It is up to the target to believe it or not. That's why they have a market term called caveat emptor, or buyer beware.
  • #127
  • Nov 17, 2014 6:02pm Nov 17, 2014 6:02pm
Quoting 4xPIPAHOLIC
{quote} No but you and the rest of his followers could...and do not forget if someone accuses him they have to provide proof....witch will not exist if he is clean.... 4x
I understand your points, but,in the end, i have to agree with realjumper. He hit the nail probably....in a PRIVATE group people can talk about what they want and slandering whoever they want....but in a public forum..mmmmm.. if this kind of thing would take place on a paper, well, a truckload of denounces would rain down immediately by the directed ones interested, cause nobody wanna mud on his own reputation and honorability, independently if is real mud or fabricated.
  • #128
  • Nov 17, 2014 6:11pm Nov 17, 2014 6:11pm
Boring,boring,boring,boring.......same old crap.This thread is a waste of space just as are most threads and posts on the FF.When are you all going to realise that FX trading is the biggest BS business in town,doesn't matter what techniques are used you can't win at this game unless of course you do the following.
1.Design a nice website.
2.Teach PA or any other method.
3.Post hindsight trades to prove your techniques work.
4.Charge for membership to the site.
That's how you make it in this business.......Walter Peters, James 16, Strat, DnB Price action, Rob Brooker, Chris Capre, Andrew Mitchem, Knowledge to Action, the list is endless oh and by the way being a yoga teacher is a good compliment to teaching FX,adds credibility... yeah right.
  • #129
  • Nov 17, 2014 6:12pm Nov 17, 2014 6:12pm
Quoting realjumper
{quote} Oh here we go....you are going to accuse me of something now are you? Listen up....if there is hard proof of fraud, then it needs to be take to the appropriate authority, and if that fraud is upheld in a court of law, then it can be and should be made public in a forum such as this. But you are not a lawyer much less a judge, and this is not a court of law. All that this thread is achieving is to drag peoples name through the mud based on nothing........ If someone is suspected of fraud...take to the authorities.....and advise the management...
realjumper for me this thread is taking more time that I thought it would....

You where not accuse for nothing ...relax.....

II. Respect fellow traders

Who has not been respected?? Someone is posting there opinion.....go ovr at the EURUSDD thread and you will see a zoo....not here....

III. No bickering

Non of this is happening here , I was clear they will be blocked

VI. No personal agendas

EXACTLY NO PERSONAL AGENDAS

And talking about judge....my vote counts for 1 vote.....out of the whole forum....

If you do not like it take your pale and shovel and go play in your sand box

Yes we do not need a judge.....

If the members want me to close this thread no problem, I will put it up for vote and let them vote if they want the thread open or closed....not a problem to me...at least I can go back to my trading

I will put up for vote if the members want the thread to exist cause it could be a waste of time after all....

4x
  • #130
  • Nov 17, 2014 6:13pm Nov 17, 2014 6:13pm
Quoting 4xPIPAHOLIC
{quote} No but you and the rest of his followers could...and do not forget if someone accuses him they have to provide proof....witch will not exist if he is clean.... 4x
And therein lies the inherent problem with a thread like this. What is "proof"? What will be acceptable as "proof"?

Far as I can see, the very closest you'll ever get to proof is if someone has (or feels they have) been scammed by someone and then only that person(s) can tell the tale for others to see. Providing whatever evidence they have to make their case. With the exception of a few senior members who have been here long enough to see the history of a member, third party folks crying scam are pointless babble. They have no clue of anything in the line of history and the very fact that on a forum like this, folks come across "a" single post they feel is BS and immediately cry foul.

Then the crowd mentality (which also has no clue of any history involved) jumps onboard and by the time the "accused" has a chance to answer the first "charge" there's 30 more.

I really do care about this house and it's members so I'm always looking for ways to identify bad blood in the interest of the community as a whole. Twee and I have talked about it some over the years as well. So when I see a thread like this I don't "dismiss it out of hand" but I can see the inherent problems before they'll arise.

One thought that might "help" a little is, any and all accusations MUST come from somebody who was (or feels they were) personally scammed.

I think that might at least cut down on all the mob mentality associated with just anyone crying scam. Just a thought.
Ghost Rider - WWTBMD?
  • #131
  • Nov 17, 2014 6:14pm Nov 17, 2014 6:14pm
Quoting edge540
Boring,boring,boring,boring.......same old crap.This thread is a waste of space just as are most threads and posts on the FF.When are you all going to realise that FX trading is the biggest BS business in town,doesn't matter what techniques are used you can't win at this game unless of course you do the following. 1.Design a nice website. 2.Teach PA or any other method. 3.Post hindsight trades to prove your techniques work. 4.Charge for membership to the site. That's how you make it in this business.......Walter Peters, James 16, Strat, DnB Price...
Don't agree at all, sorry. Trading for a living is absolutely possible...for the retail trader too. Not saying is simple,but achievable for sure, even without selling anything about forex.
  • #132
  • Nov 17, 2014 6:17pm Nov 17, 2014 6:17pm
Quoting 4xPIPAHOLIC
{quote} realjumper for me this thread is taking more time that I thought it would.... You where not accuse for nothing ...relax..... II. Respect fellow traders Who has not been respected?? Someone is posting there opinion.....go ovr at the EURUSDD thread and you will see a zoo....not here.... III. No bickering Non of this is happening here , I was clear they will be blocked VI. No personal agendas EXACTLY NO PERSONAL AGENDAS And talking about judge....my vote counts for 1 vote.....out of the whole forum.... If you do not like it take your pale and...

I don't give a fuck what you do.....I have already made my complaint to FF about this thread.

Tokyo market is open and I'm now busy.....
Doing what you like is Freedom. Liking what you do is Happiness.
  • #133
  • Nov 17, 2014 6:19pm Nov 17, 2014 6:19pm
Quoting realjumper
{quote} I don't give a fuck what you do.....I have already made my complaint to FF about this thread. Tokyo market is open and I'm now busy.....
Guy you should watch your words....why are you swearing???

Read the rules of the thread.....

I never thought I would have to ignore someone.....I never had a problem ever with no one....

4x
  • #134
  • Nov 17, 2014 6:19pm Nov 17, 2014 6:19pm
Quoting jmn5611
Scamming can be defined as asking for money to deliver a product or service and then not delivering that product or service. Another word for scamming is fraud. Even inflated claims is not scamming. That is called advertising and every commercial does this. It is up to the target to believe it or not. That's why they have a market term called caveat emptor, or buyer beware.
That's about the size of it brother. ... And nobody but those who that's happened to can tell about it.
Ghost Rider - WWTBMD?
  • #135
  • Nov 17, 2014 6:22pm Nov 17, 2014 6:22pm
Ok guys and gals....time to vote

Jacko vote is 17 - 2

I am putting up the vote if you want this thread open or should I close it

4x
  • #136
  • Nov 17, 2014 6:24pm Nov 17, 2014 6:24pm
Quoting albchr
{quote} And therein lies the inherent problem with a thread like this. What is "proof"? What will be acceptable as "proof"? Far as I can see, the very closest you'll ever get to proof is if someone has (or feels they have) been scammed by someone and then only that person(s) can tell the tale for others to see. Providing whatever evidence they have to make their case. With the exception of a few senior members who have been long enough to see the history of a member, third party folks crying scam are pointless babble. They have no clue of anything...
Good points. My personal view: if we wanna a thread to bust scammers we cannot count on "democracy". People always uses the word democracy for say "true, legittimate, equilibrated", but as Chris pointed out, often the crowd is very bad informed, has personal hate against someone, or neither know what "scam" means ( Coca Cola claims they invented the "formulas of happiness" in their reclame...so, are they scammers? Just a stupid example, but i think everybody understood the point).
I think so, that the research of proof has to be given to trusted people (mods for example) and ONLY THEN name and evidence should be publically given in the eyes of the crowd. I neither know if mods can/want to do such a heavy task, but IMHO that should the CORRECT way to fight scammers and expose them.

Just my half cent
  • #137
  • Nov 17, 2014 6:27pm Nov 17, 2014 6:27pm
Quoting 4xPIPAHOLIC
Ok guys and gals....time to vote Jacko vote is 17 - 2 I am putting up the vote if you want this thread open or should I close it 4x
You should close this thread.
1. The accused cannot defend themselves so there is no due process.
2. Under the strict definition of scam, there are only a handful.
3. It is not fitting of a member of your status in the community. Go back and look at the members who posted in this thread. They came because you have the potential to be taken seriously. The pen is indeed mightier than the sword. You have the power to hurt people, so be careful.
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
  • #138
  • Nov 17, 2014 6:27pm Nov 17, 2014 6:27pm
Vote honestly everyone, I really stand in the middle
  • #139
  • Nov 17, 2014 6:28pm Nov 17, 2014 6:28pm
Quoting 4xPIPAHOLIC
{quote} Stinky you can't say that he is a scammer cause he lied, then all politicians are scammers(maybe they are)....anyways it depends what he is lying about..... 4x
I didn't say eitan is a scammer or a lier. It's merely >likely< that his claim isn't true.

Quoting cariddi74
{quote} Yes , but my point is he cannot NEITHER post a defense here. A bit unfair, IMHO.
Of course eitan can. If he took me off ignore, he could even read my posts
  • #140
  • Nov 17, 2014 6:28pm Nov 17, 2014 6:28pm
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} You should close this thread. 1. The accused cannot defend themselves so there is no due process. 2. Under the strict definition of scam, there are only a handful. 3. It is not fitting of a member of your status in the community. Go back and look at the members who posted in this thread. They came because you have the potential to be taken seriously. The pen is indeed mightier than the sword. You have the power to hurt people, so be careful.
Perfect my friend please vote
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