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  • #101
  • Nov 17, 2014 4:33pm Nov 17, 2014 4:33pm
Quoting cariddi74
Just popped up here to say...HI! I don't like the negativity in this thread, so i don't think i will partecipate too much again here. My to all the people unfairly accused here. Scammers deserve to be kicked, but not innocents.
I'm not negative. It's just that when a commercial promoter of a system with a big claim refuses to prove it, it's likely that he can't. There is (or was) also evidence that eitan can't (he bombed his TE).

What he's done is obtained the trust of a number of people without having to prove any of his claims. Eliminated opposition with the ignore button. Now he has a business.
  • #102
  • Nov 17, 2014 4:42pm Nov 17, 2014 4:42pm
Quoting Stinky
{quote} I'm not negative. It's just that when a commercial promoter of a system with a big claim refuses to prove it, it's likely that he can't. There is (or was) also evidence that eitan can't (he bombed his TE). What he's done is obtained the trust of a number of people without having to prove any of his claims. Eliminated opposition with the ignore button. Now he has a business.
Sorry to disagree again. Many that followed him since his first "Eitan project" know the goodness of his ideas and systems. Who don't believe him would not believe him anyway even with a trade explorer. By the way he started publishing the equity curve of his account...but of course who don't wanna believe him will say is fabricated or demo account., so.....
  • #103
  • Nov 17, 2014 4:54pm Nov 17, 2014 4:54pm
Quoting cariddi74
Just popped up here to say...HI! I don't like the negativity in this thread, so i don't think i will partecipate too much again here. My to all the people unfairly accused here. Scammers deserve to be kicked, but not innocents.
cariddi74, there is no negativity, exposing some scammers to members of this thread is not negative.
Are innocent members going to get pointed at by some trolls? Very possibly, but what do they have to fear if they are clean, it is there opportunity to
let the trolls try to prove something that does not exist. If they fear something it is already suspicious.
And even if they bring some proof that someone is a scammer still the members will have to vote him a scammer, that is democracy.
Think of the positive not the negative.....think that after a couple of months scammers are going to think twice with what they will try to pull in this forum.

4x
  • #104
  • Nov 17, 2014 4:56pm Nov 17, 2014 4:56pm
Quoting cariddi74
{quote} Sorry to disagree again. Many that followed him since his first "Eitan project" know the goodness of his ideas and systems. Who don't believe him would not believe him anyway even with a trade explorer. By the way he started publishing the equity curve of his account...but of course who don't wanna believe him will say is fabricated or demo account., so.....
Yes, I know eitan's followers trust him because of his 'goodness'. But the bigger the claim, the greater the need for proof. Nothing he has presented so far passes as valid evidence as they could have been fabricated. A TE with nothing hidden is much more credible. If his TE were successful, I would have to change my mind
  • #105
  • Nov 17, 2014 4:56pm Nov 17, 2014 4:56pm
I think eithan is a newbie. He was genuinely trying to find a good system, that's why he was hopping from one system to another.Trying to perfect the system. A classic newbie mistake. You can never 'perfect' a system. Also I've seen him lose money more than I care to. I don't know what he's doing now, if he's selling something - he probably realized he's not going to make a living trading - at least capitalize on his followers. That doesn't really make him a scammer.
  • #106
  • Nov 17, 2014 5:02pm Nov 17, 2014 5:02pm
Quoting Stinky
{quote} I'm not negative. It's just that when a commercial promoter of a system with a big claim refuses to prove it, it's likely that he can't. There is (or was) also evidence that eitan can't (he bombed his TE). What he's done is obtained the trust of a number of people without having to prove any of his claims. Eliminated opposition with the ignore button. Now he has a business.
Personally I do not consider this a scam. He is still innocent to me.
If I can claim that I can make 100% a month and people sign up accepting that I do not have proof that is no scam.

And lets never forget: Past performance does not guarantee future results it is all over the place.

Scam is to take the money and run.....be a broker and close your positions once you are in the negative or not being able to close them at all(happen to me).
Promise 10% a month guaranteed and lose constantly and not return the money.....and so on....

4x
  • #107
  • Nov 17, 2014 5:05pm Nov 17, 2014 5:05pm
Quoting cenetti
I think eithan is a newbie. He was genuinely trying to find a good system, that's why he was hopping from one system to another.Trying to perfect the system. A classic newbie mistake. You can never 'perfect' a system. Also I've seen him lose money more than I care to. I don't know what he's doing now, if he's selling something - he probably realized he's not going to make a living trading - at least capitalize on his followers. That doesn't really make him a scammer.
For the first part, i could add something, but hey it's Eitan affair and i have not the right to add up..
For the bolded, i agree.
  • #108
  • Nov 17, 2014 5:07pm Nov 17, 2014 5:07pm
Quoting 4xPIPAHOLIC
{quote} Personally I do not consider this a scam. He is still innocent to me. If I can claim that I can make 100% a month and people sign up accepting that I do not have proof that is no scam. And lets never forget: Past performance does not guarantee future results it is all over the place. Scam is to take the money and run.....be a broker and close your positions once you are in the negative or not being able to close them at all(happen to me). Promise 10% a month guaranteed and lose constantly and not return the money.....and so on.... 4x
To me, lying isn't innocent. And if he refuses to provide proof, the probability is high that his claim isn't true. If however he has a full refund policy and honours it, then ok.
  • #109
  • Nov 17, 2014 5:16pm Nov 17, 2014 5:16pm
Quoting billbss
{quote} Eitan sells a system he claims has win percentages very close to 100% for 15 pips. He also implies it is very profitable. I can tell you there is no such system. If you have been trading very long, you know there isn't. He started selling this system on the open forum. He should have been banned at that time. It was a flagrant violation of the forum rules. Instead he was put into the Commercial forum by the moderator.
To be fair, eitan's English is horrible. He may not have clearly understood what he was doing. Not an eitan fan, just putting it out there. He seems to be an okay fellow.
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
  • #110
  • Nov 17, 2014 5:19pm Nov 17, 2014 5:19pm
Quoting Stinky
{quote} To me, lying isn't innocent. And if he refuses to provide proof, the probability is high that his claim isn't true. If however he has a full refund policy and honours it, then ok.
I re-read the incipit of his commercial thread and frankly i don't find where lies are. On the contrary it seems to me very honest and not "marketing bells and frills" at all.
The max he can add is "past performance does not guarantee future performance". That's it.
For the rest.. there are "wonderful" systems at ClickBank...
  • #111
  • Nov 17, 2014 5:20pm Nov 17, 2014 5:20pm
Quoting Acroix70
{quote} Awaiting that suspension Just like Jacko and Canadianguy. Suspend anyone who calls out the obvious. Go ahead Albchr, 55 people are watching I have stated the facts already
The trouble I have with this assertion is that chris has never asked anyone for any money. How can he be a scammer? He shares his life with us online. Is that scamming?
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
  • #112
  • Nov 17, 2014 5:27pm Nov 17, 2014 5:27pm
Quoting Stinky
{quote} To me, lying isn't innocent. And if he refuses to provide proof, the probability is high that his claim isn't true. If however he has a full refund policy and honours it, then ok.
Stinky you can't say that he is a scammer cause he lied, then all politicians are scammers(maybe they are)....anyways it depends what he is lying about.....

4x
  • #113
  • Nov 17, 2014 5:28pm Nov 17, 2014 5:28pm
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} The trouble I have with this assertion is that chris has never asked anyone for any money. How can he be a scammer? He shares his life with us online. Is that scamming?
The problem with this kind of "denounce thread" is that people can twist everything upside down for their own agenda...that why i said too much negativity here.
Nothing against you 4xpipaholic, just my opinion.
  • #114
  • Nov 17, 2014 5:31pm Nov 17, 2014 5:31pm
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} The trouble I have with this assertion is that chris has never asked anyone for any money. How can he be a scammer? He shares his life with us online. Is that scamming?
I think the major problem with this thread is that people cannot come to an agreement on what is defined as SCAMMING and what is not! Why not lay to rest this aspect, then everyone can be on the same page.
  • #115
  • Nov 17, 2014 5:32pm Nov 17, 2014 5:32pm
Quoting cariddi74
{quote} The problem with this kind of "denounce thread" is that people can twist everything upside down for their own agenda...that why i said too much negativity here. Nothing against you 4xpipaholic, just my opinion.
I did not take it personal, I understand what you are saying, but in the end whoever accuses someone with no evidence he looks bad

4x
  • #116
  • Nov 17, 2014 5:33pm Nov 17, 2014 5:33pm
Quoting 4xPIPAHOLIC
{quote} I did not take it personal, I understand what you are saying, but in the end whoever accuses someone with no evidence he looks bad 4x
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  • #117
  • Nov 17, 2014 5:35pm Nov 17, 2014 5:35pm
Quoting LITEchild
{quote} I think the major problem with this thread is that people cannot come to an agreement on what is defined as SCAMMING and what is not! Why not lay to rest this aspect, then everyone can be on the same page.
That is not a problem at all...when the proof comes in and the members vote(what each considers as a scam is there opinion) the numbers are clear.....
like now Jacko is 17 -2 that he was a scammer.....

4x
  • #118
  • Nov 17, 2014 5:41pm Nov 17, 2014 5:41pm
Quoting 4xPIPAHOLIC
{quote} I did not take it personal, I understand what you are saying, but in the end whoever accuses someone with no evidence he looks bad 4x
Yes, in the end, maybe. But in same cases they cannot neither defend themselves (cause commercial member cannot post everywhere), and if i would have not popped up here to defend a friend, probably the people would have blatanty absorbed the first negative things said by someone. Then others would have seen not defense by the directed interested and would have thought "well if he don't say nothing to defend himself, that's true that it is a scammer".
Twisting the reality by simple words manipulation is not so complicated unfortunately....less complicated than manipulate the market for sure...unless you are J.P. Morgan (or so) of course.

You role here is fundamental to maintain equilibrium. Please be a careful and sharp moderator of this very boiling thread, my friend. :nerd:
  • #119
  • Nov 17, 2014 5:41pm Nov 17, 2014 5:41pm
Quoting cariddi74
{quote} The problem with this kind of "denounce thread" is that people can twist everything upside down for their own agenda...that why i said too much negativity here. Nothing against you 4xpipaholic, just my opinion.

Quite right. This kind of kangaroo court is reprehensible. The vigilante mentality shown here is shameful and disgusting. This whole thread should be binned....and several people have their memberships revoked. Neither will happen of course......'bums on seats' is more important to FF than common decency and upholding the very rules of this place....
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  • #120
  • Nov 17, 2014 5:43pm Nov 17, 2014 5:43pm
Scamming can be defined as asking for money to deliver a product or service and then not delivering that product or service. Another word for scamming is fraud.

Even inflated claims is not scamming. That is called advertising and every commercial does this. It is up to the target to believe it or not. That's why they have a market term called caveat emptor, or buyer beware.
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
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