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  • #461
  • Nov 6, 2014 12:42pm Nov 6, 2014 12:42pm
Hi Vlady1974,

Tell me if i am interpreting this correctly,
1) is the recurent zone from the high of the focus candle to the top of the transient zone?
2)Is the trancient zone from the candle close to the wick low of the focus candle?
  • #462
  • Nov 6, 2014 2:03pm Nov 6, 2014 2:03pm
Hello guys! Hi Vlady1974!!! This is my first post ever on FF, and my first system learning from here. Many thanks to Vlady1974, you explained it simply, thanks to other guys who putting their efforts. I think I can see some lights in my mind, I will test it on demo...

Regards, green pips
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  • #463
  • Nov 6, 2014 2:46pm Nov 6, 2014 2:46pm
Quoting Kiads
Hi all, as a kind of noob, allow me to post this here, rather than in big league thread there... {image} and for the strongest signal from TZ indicator the 'mid' zone. you can expect continuation price movement between 50% to 300% of left 'wing' range. {image} hope it help and best regards and sorry if this is only 'elementary' matter for some of you.. MTH
Kiads,

Question on your 2nd chart. You annotated "as long as there's no next top TZ..."
So why wasn't there a top TZ right there (a very small K one)? No bars to left or right.
  • #464
  • Nov 6, 2014 3:04pm Nov 6, 2014 3:04pm
Quoting spyderman
{quote} Kiads, Question on your 2nd chart. You annotated "as long as there's no next top TZ..." So why wasn't there a top TZ right there (a very small K one)? No bars to left or right.
My Friend, PTZ forming when the formation of candles fit with the h size. When you set h =1 then almost all HH or LL will become TZ.

best regards.
MTH
  • #465
  • Nov 6, 2014 3:32pm Nov 6, 2014 3:32pm
Quoting Kiads
{quote} My Friend, PTZ forming when the formation of candles fit with the h size. When you set h =1 then almost all HH or LL will become TZ. best regards. MTH
Thanks for the response Kiads.

I guess what was confusing me was that on my chart it shows a top TZ. Was just wondering if my figuring was wrong.

Thanks.

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  • #466
  • Nov 6, 2014 3:52pm Nov 6, 2014 3:52pm
Quoting spyderman
{quote} Thanks for the response Kiads. I guess what was confusing me was that on my chart it shows a top TZ. Was just wondering if my figuring was wrong. Thanks. {image}
My Friend you use Xixi TZ ver 1.5 maybe, while i'm still ver 1.3 and my h is 32 and you use h =40..
MTH
  • #467
  • Nov 6, 2014 7:07pm Nov 6, 2014 7:07pm
Quoting Kiads
{quote} My Friend you use Xixi TZ ver 1.5 maybe, while i'm still ver 1.3 and my h is 32 and you use h =40.. MTH
If there was a top TZ there with h=40 then there should have also been one with=32. Different brokers can have slightly different prices too.
  • #468
  • Nov 10, 2014 11:18am Nov 10, 2014 11:18am
Quoting vlady1974
{quote} This is a fair enough question. The short answer is YES for currencies. The medium answer is that Eurusdd did use examples from EURUSD because it was the most balanced market in terms of supply and demand strength being equal. Hence, when calculating probabilities, it has more reliability. The longer answer is that YES, it does work on other pairs. Eurusdd has used USDCHF before. I've traded it on other pairs, including gold and crude oil. I've seen others do cross currency trades which is excellent. I've not seen anyone apply it to stocks...
hi vlady....been awhile.i just started reading sim thread.and at the same time i started reading this thread also again.i want to ask,what time frame do you trade,seems u r on the higher tfs....thanks
  • #469
  • Nov 10, 2014 7:47pm Nov 10, 2014 7:47pm
Hi all,
Any one know, the probability calculation that Eurusdd's use (ex: http://www.forexfactory.com/showthre...83#post7859483 ),
is based on Revolution (TRZ+DNA), or using the last one sub-sequence ? If it is using Revolution, that means this sub-sequence is nothing to do with probability calculation, so it is another stand alone concept (that can be combined to similarity & revolution) ?
Thanks mates.
  • #470
  • Nov 10, 2014 10:23pm Nov 10, 2014 10:23pm
Given the new information provided on the other thread, I think there is a high probability that there will be less frequenting FF and more trading and making money. Nonetheless, I think I might come over this thread and share my very limited understanding of the new (and old) updates and see if I can gain a better understanding.

CheersEzzy
What you do is a reflection of you....what I do is a reflection of me.
  • #471
  • Nov 12, 2014 2:46am Nov 12, 2014 2:46am
Quoting Ezzy
Given the new information provided on the other thread, I think there is a high probability that there will be less frequenting FF and more trading and making money. Nonetheless, I think I might come over this thread and share my very limited understanding of the new (and old) updates and see if I can gain a better understanding. CheersEzzy
Thanks mate. You are right ...
  • #472
  • Edited 8:30pm Nov 12, 2014 8:18pm | Edited 8:30pm
Hi mate,

Thank you very much for your code. I have tested it, it is really great. Now i understand clearly what recurrent means (after TZ). . One question: How can we get benefit from right transient only bars ?

Thanks in advance.
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  • #473
  • Nov 13, 2014 12:43pm Nov 13, 2014 12:43pm
Hello everyone and thank you for this thread. I have a very basic question. I am all new to this new thing. The 97% represents the times the price has visited a prior transient zone?
  • #474
  • Nov 13, 2014 12:57pm Nov 13, 2014 12:57pm
Quoting Forexaccount
Hello everyone and thank you for this thread. I have a very basic question. I am all new to this new thing. The 97% represents the times the price has visited a prior transient zone?
No...given the correct parameters for H, price will revisit any given level within H bars before and after said level 97% of the time (recurrent). 3% of the time price will not revisit that level within H bars before and after (transient)
  • #475
  • Nov 13, 2014 9:29pm Nov 13, 2014 9:29pm
Quoting spyderman
{quote} No...given the correct parameters for H, price will revisit any given level within H bars before and after said level 97% of the time (recurrent). 3% of the time price will not revisit that level within H bars before and after (transient)
Thank you. So if I understand correctly those low percentages for Top, Middle, Bottom TZ are the times price have not touched this TZ?
  • #476
  • Nov 14, 2014 6:18am Nov 14, 2014 6:18am
Its been a tough week for me. Quite a few shockers but that is another matter. Here is some summary on TZ characteristics

TZs are built by H values using the various indicators. The H you use creates some difference in their applications.

a1) A smaller H value, < 10 roughly, you'll need to test yourself, creates TZs that can be potentially used as targets to be taken out in the shorter term. (See Bailie)

a2) They can be used to spot tops and bottoms but the challenge is you will see many on your chart but which is the one?

a3) There will be TZs that appear in the middle of a bar. These are indicators of trend strength, continuation but they are less reliable when the H value is low.

b1) A bigger H value, > 16 and beyond are usually easier to identify tops and bottoms with. They also serve as a longer term target to return to.
(See Kiads)

b2) The mid TZs with bigger H values are more reliable for trend indication.

​*)The thing here is any H value you use will identify the same "true" top, bottom or mid bar but because the visual cue they provide you is different, you will react differently.
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  • #477
  • Nov 14, 2014 12:10pm Nov 14, 2014 12:10pm
Quoting cfdtaleong
A trader is a lone wolf. Nothing to prove or show to anyone. The wolf hunts alone, lives alone, dies alone. He owes none and none owes him.
Awesome analogy/reminder^^ - though the lone wolf generally lives on small, less delicious prey. Squirrels, rabbits, etc. It takes a pack to get the elk. The pack works together in order to achieve a better individual result. I have come to enjoy the collaborative development process.
  • #478
  • Nov 14, 2014 12:47pm Nov 14, 2014 12:47pm
Quoting Barbaresco
{quote} Awesome analogy/reminder^^ - though the lone wolf generally lives on small, less delicious prey. Squirrels, rabbits, etc. It takes a pack to get the elk. The pack works together in order to achieve a better individual result. I have come to enjoy the collaborative development process.
Haha glad you like it. Awesome analogy from you too. Sad thing is most people get your part of the analogy and less mine. Packs are good for sure, you get to howl at moon together, sniff butts..ok maybe this is dog thing but often they forget the pack cannot hunt for you, eat for you and bite for you. Keep howling Barb!
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  • #479
  • Nov 14, 2014 1:15pm Nov 14, 2014 1:15pm
Hello Guys / Girls,
its my first post because i was a quiete reader here. but now i want to participate active in this thread.
i have a couple of questions und i hope to become a clear answer. i see there are many ways to use TZ and im very confused because everyone use TZ other or dont know what exactly to do. So please be hard and direct to me and say me if im right or wrong. i will be putting here some thesis / questions with a picture for each thesis / question. please say me if im wrong or right. nothing else
this is like a small summary of the concept how i thinkg about it. please be direct and clear, really want to unterstand this thing.


1. Question: Recurrent Zone and Transient Zone
on the picture nomber uno: is a confirmed transient Zone (yellow and red). the zone under and over the transient zone we called reccurent zone.
is that right? Yes or No only please.

2. Question: The Art how we SHOULD use TZ from "eurusdd" view. Idea 1
we have a finished TZ. if price breakd the TZ we want to trade back to it where the TZ was.
Is the main idea right? Yes or no only please.

(the other idea is: if a PTZ appear [a trend consolidation] we trade in the direction of the PTZ in Assumption:
- that the trend still is active and because of that the PTZ must break. the % of a break of a PTZ

3. Question: another art how we should use TZ. Idea 2
when we assume that a PTZ should become a a TZ with very high % than we can assume that with every more break of the PTZ the % to become a real TZ will be more and a revisit to the "old PTZ" is very high. is this maybe the idea? but the problem what i have with that is: the old PTZ is no PTZ more...

im very unsure... will read this thread again and the other long thread from page 280... but i hope comeone can me give a clear answer.
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  • #480
  • Nov 14, 2014 1:32pm Nov 14, 2014 1:32pm
the main problem is:

http://www.forexfactory.com/showthre...23#post7678923 Post number 5775
http://www.forexfactory.com/showthre...20#post7679620 Post number 5847

if we assume that a PTZ will be become transient than we assume that over the zone the price is recurrent.
but when the price goes over "A" or the PTZ than we have a new PTZ... its the same thing like in Post 5847 i dont understand. when price goes over a PTZ than the PTZ is not the same. there is a new PTZ

what does it bringt to assume that a PTZ wil be becoming TZ? when the PTZ get break we have another PTZ. it
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