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  • #861
  • Nov 7, 2014 7:31am Nov 7, 2014 7:31am
Yeap I lost a little confdence
Seems it should be up now but so was yesterday and day before ...
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  • #862
  • Nov 7, 2014 7:37am Nov 7, 2014 7:37am
Quoting wisemadguy
I dont know why momentums goes down slowly but all m30 and h1 momentums travel fast up . only theory is it happens when there are much volume involve momentum change direction even if there is o change in price that much . recently that happened a lot . same is happening now too . from yesterday momentums in 1m and 5m was going up but price was down . phenomenom ... good name .
If the trend in M1 timeframe, it takes a number of minutes to change, How long to change a daily or weekly trend?
Fractal nature.
Let us make a manual backtest!
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  • #863
  • Nov 7, 2014 7:44am Nov 7, 2014 7:44am
Quoting sam30
{quote} "usually" pattern again and again work...but not to much turning into account...price move so fast...i expect more and longer..... This week not my week...see all next week... regards
Term "usually" mean i have experience with that along the journey of my trading....fakeout and pattern NFP trading news (not always work but please check several month when NFP release...

in Add, Covered by tremendous long on UJ...so i am prefer short...

and just please check how DSS cover "perfectly" (that is what make me back ...)
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  • #864
  • Edited 2:11pm Nov 7, 2014 7:47am | Edited 2:11pm
Quoting wisemadguy
Yeap I lost a little confdence Seems it should be up now but so was yesterday and day before ... {image}
Where are the moving averages (the best indicator after the candles)?
Downtrend.
Loss of momentum in RSi, but not "Awesome". Downtrend.

The trend changes happen in the same grade (or timeframe, similar).
Timeframe M30, show us corrections, but not a change in trend daily or weekly.
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  • #865
  • Nov 7, 2014 7:48am Nov 7, 2014 7:48am
Quoting Patron
{quote} If the trend in M1 timeframe, it takes a number of minutes to change, How long to change a daily or weekly trend? Fractal nature. Let us make a manual backtest!
Thanks . I still believe I should go for right decisions which is hard in Forex thats why it takes 3 years at least for one to be a normal trader . I may not be in those 5% winners but surly Im not in 36% quiters either just need a little more experience to have more confidence and experience so dont worry I will be back in track in no time
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  • #866
  • Nov 7, 2014 7:54am Nov 7, 2014 7:54am
Quoting wisemadguy
{quote} Thanks . I still believe I should go for right decisions which is hard in Forex thats why it takes 3 years at least for one to be a normal trader . I may not be in those 5% winners but surly Im not in 36% quiters either just need a little more experience to have more confidence and experience so dont worry I will be back in track in no time
One day I realized that the FOREX is not that complicated. But I was, which complicated the FOREX.
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  • #867
  • Nov 7, 2014 8:01am Nov 7, 2014 8:01am
Quoting Patron
{quote} One day I realized that the FOREX is not that complicated. But I was, which complicated the FOREX.
Yes . All who became good at this say one thing "Its so simple"
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  • #868
  • Nov 7, 2014 8:03am Nov 7, 2014 8:03am
This double top, took over 40 days to resolve. It did not in 40 hours, no.
That's why I always insist on the fractal nature of the market. To keep things in perspective, where we are.
A trend that took over 40 days to form, does not change in 40 minutes, or 40 hours. That is common sense.
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  • #869
  • Nov 7, 2014 8:10am Nov 7, 2014 8:10am
Quoting Patron
This double top, took over 40 days to resolve. It did not in 40 hours, no. That's why I always insist on the fractal nature of the market. To keep things in perspective, where we are. A trend that took over 40 days to form, does not change in 40 minutes, or 40 hours. That is common sense. {image}
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  • #870
  • Nov 7, 2014 8:16am Nov 7, 2014 8:16am
Quoting wisemadguy
{quote} Yes . All who became good at this say one thing "Its so simple"
if i could make a note for this based my experience ...if i want market to do "this" then market do "that"...when i realize market do "that" then i want to follow by do "that" at the same time market do what i call "this".
--
in simple word..."market is always right" so our job to be "right" too with MM and Good Control of emotion...the "right" is objective for common sense i.e trend, ranging, retrace, extend and so on...(right time and right direction)...

What i learning from Patron way... he is more precisely supported by tools (RSI, EMA, pattern((chart,wave, trend)) and experience to combine tools at the right time)....and his scalp on M1 is deadly...i cant follow his way on M1...i wont do that ...no confident...xo xo xo
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  • #871
  • Nov 7, 2014 8:16am Nov 7, 2014 8:16am
Quoting Patron
This double top, took over 40 days to resolve. It did not in 40 hours, no. That's why I always insist on the fractal nature of the market. To keep things in perspective, where we are. A trend that took over 40 days to form, does not change in 40 minutes, or 40 hours. That is common sense. {image}
Loeil, considered one of best in Sonic System, lost nearly all his money during this fall in the euro. Every time I turned up the volume, he thought the trend would change. He lost his perspective, he focused only on the volume. Insufficient. l volume is only a signal, but not the most important.
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  • #872
  • Nov 7, 2014 8:45am Nov 7, 2014 8:45am
Quoting sam30
{quote} if i could make a note for this based my experience ...if i want market to do "this" then market do "that"...when i realize market do "that" then i want to follow by do "that" at the same time market do what i call "this". -- in simple word..."market is always right" so our job to be "right" too with MM and Good Control of emotion...the "right" is objective for common sense i.e trend, ranging, retrace, extend and so on...(right time and right direction)... What i learning from Patron way... he is more precisely supported by tools (RSI, EMA,...

Yes these tools are known because they where effective one should know how to use them best like one play solitari games with computer one use it for building softwares for NASA .
So far i manage to instead of loosing 400$ a moth , lose 50$ ( I call it success ) . I dont know if you guys red that 5 steps document or not , loosing become equal of wins was one of steps ( me me ! ) surly with more experience and confidence result become better , like I learned with little money I shouldnt go for weekly and daily trading as just Patron mentioned those delays and such high and lows are not for a mini account however I should have eye on them for further analysis and so goes for other stuffs .
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  • #873
  • Nov 7, 2014 8:48am Nov 7, 2014 8:48am
Quoting Patron
{quote} Loeil, considered one of best in Sonic System, lost nearly all his money during this fall in the euro. Every time I turned up the volume, he thought the trend would change. He lost his perspective, he focused only on the volume. Insufficient. l volume is only a signal, but not the most important.
I understand him totally those experiences was why I involved momentum .
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  • #874
  • Nov 7, 2014 9:06am Nov 7, 2014 9:06am
Quoting Patron
{quote} Loeil, considered one of best in Sonic System, lost nearly all his money during this fall in the euro. Every time I turned up the volume, he thought the trend would change. He lost his perspective, he focused only on the volume. Insufficient. l volume is only a signal, but not the most important.
Patron,

There is no "best" here at the Sonic R. System thread. We all work to improve and we all have good and bad "events".

Loeil was following his "hybrid" system wherein he focused on what he saw as larger TF volume clues as to whether the market was gaining bullish or bearish intent "in the background". He only considered volume on larger TFs as valid. His stated opinion was that lower TF volume was an undependable source of clues.

Volume is a very important source of clues. Sometimes they stand out on the larger TFs and often the lower TFs will give very clear clues in real time. What can happen when one ignores the fact that we cannot know how the MMs will move price - no matter what clues, from what sources, come from charts - is what happened to Loeil. And it can happen to anyone that puts more faith in their way of doing things, than in exercising caution, due to that simple fact.

-tah
  • #875
  • Nov 7, 2014 9:19am Nov 7, 2014 9:19am
Quoting wisemadguy
{quote} Yes these tools are known because they where effective one should know how to use them best like one play solitari games with computer one use it for building softwares for NASA . So far i manage to instead of loosing 400$ a moth , lose 50$ ( I call it success ) . I dont know if you guys red that 5 steps document or not , loosing become equal of wins was one of steps ( me me ! ) surly with more experience and confidence result become better , like I learned with little money I shouldnt go for weekly and daily trading as...
This is my true story...i have a lot experience with such indicator and combination...and i am loss and loss ( i am not saying its tool or indi mistake but it should be mine)

What make me eureke is...i am trying to focus on market and market rather then indi...like the market is my lady...i want to sleep with her....LOL

for having romantic night with my lady i should understand each other with her...and sonic way give me insight (i use his tool in my way to understand the market...the more we understand the more we got benefits and the result is affect (automatically happen)
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  • #876
  • Edited Nov 8, 2014 2:06am Nov 7, 2014 10:35am | Edited Nov 8, 2014 2:06am
Quoting traderathome
{quote} Patron, There is no "best" here at the Sonic R. System thread. We all work to improve and we all have good and bad "events". Loeil was following his "hybrid" system wherein he focused on what he saw as larger TF volume clues as to whether the market was gaining bullish or bearish intent "in the background". He only considered volume on larger TFs as valid. His stated opinion was that lower TF volume was an undependable source of clues. Volume is a very important source of clues. Sometimes they stand out on the larger TFs and often the lower...
Whenever you are looking to argue with me because you do not understand anything I say, or so it seems. Or is it that you like.

You say you want to improve, but does nothing about it. I have proposed two huge improvement, but because you do not understand, do not agree.
And then you send me to read the first post, when it should be me who will send you daily. But I prefer to be respectful. God knows I've tried to
approach with the best intentions, but only receive unfair criticism from people (I say people, not traders) locked in an endless loop.

You always adorn their shortcomings, or blaming ghosts (MMs) of your own mistakes, or raise to heaven the "elegance and simplicity" of a system that
is ripe for taking a step, which I do not think it will happen while you do not accept that "the earth turns around the Sun."

Please, will not you come here to teach me, let alone using the MMs spooky. Can you be taking lessons. Happy to give them for free.

You speak of "all here ...". I think not. There is only you. And most will deal with fear, because you always threaten anyone not agree with you cast it,
as it does me, when in your thread I just made good and interesting things.

You attack me for personal reasons, I do not understand, and I do. Too much effort did, trying to get close, but I have no desire, I do not need.

As loeil, he was one of the highest rated Sonic, want you or not. To me you can not tell me that two and two make five, because I will
I always answer, which are four, and you are wrong. And I do not need to prove anything, everyone knows.
The story of the volumes vs TF is not true. I e had exchanges with him, and it was not. And I invite whoever to check.

So, for my part, you are welcome here as long or when no badgering me with MMs, and allow people to express themselves freely and learn to listen,
listen, listen .... (if your MMs leave, because you are deaf).

You, threatened to expel me from your thread, would force me to post a certain way, then, yourself, and others, do not respect.
What's that smell that? A I do not like a personal attack.
I've never asked someone else to do what I am able to do and accomplish. I have honor and credibility, and keep my word.

I've been in this business 12 years. I was a bit bored of the solo work. And I discovered Forex Factory. And I decided to post. And I discovered that it was good for me, that motivated me.
But I'm not here to wear the uniform of anyone, nor join any sect, under the influence of a "guru". And apparently that creates antipathies, by these "gurus".

I have always been free and respected. Everyone loves me because I am noble.

You tell me that I do my homework, and do not understand any of your indicators. I'm a programmer, and certainly better programmer than you (do you have an engineering degree?).

I'm tired of you I try, I as well, with contempt. While you do not know me.
Do you please respect others, if you want to be respected.

Come back here anytime, but to talk about Forex, do not talk nonsense, I'm not interested.
But that does not like you, because you never talk about FOREX. Your only you talk about ghosts, that keep you from seeing reality.
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  • #877
  • Edited 1:18pm Nov 7, 2014 11:19am | Edited 1:18pm
Quoting Patron
{quote} Loeil, considered one of best in Sonic System, lost nearly all his money during this fall in the euro. Every time I turned up the volume, he thought the trend would change. He lost his perspective, he focused only on the volume. Insufficient. l volume is only a signal, but not the most important.
I have appointed loeil, because it was an example, recently, and he made his own decisions, and he ha had the courage to recognize it.

But two summers ago, it was much worse. Ignorance of the nature of the market (disguised under the name of MMs, and Robber Banks) blew countless accounts of both Sonicers, and people who followed their signals.

Such a mistake would never happen to a true TRADER, because he knows the nature of the market and know what time, you can afford to go against the dominant trend, and when not know whether to use stoploss and knows where to put them.

Even after such a disaster, I read things like "if I have done this as well as other times and sometimes it works, or otherwise, no." Total ignorance of the nature of the market.

Minimum leverage that way, to make many entries (these people call it "build", traders call it "wasting resources"). Then they spoke of "capital management". etc ..

Management? Capital? For a trader good management is to put your money to work, with greater assurance.

Of course, there comes a time when the side trends, a greater degree, which allowed the price going up and down for weeks or months, there comes a time when the trend is no longer there and shoot back, and disaster comes, the ignorance of the nature of the market.

Common sense should be the first rule of any system. No sense adding emotionally trades against the trend, under the guise of scouts.
A real trader ever behaves well and does not allow students to do so.
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  • #878
  • Edited 12:23pm Nov 7, 2014 11:39am | Edited 12:23pm
Quoting traderathome
{quote} Patron, There is no "best" here at the Sonic R. System thread. We all work to improve and we all have good and bad "events". Loeil was following his "hybrid" system wherein he focused on what he saw as larger TF volume clues as to whether the market was gaining bullish or bearish intent "in the background". He only considered volume on larger TFs as valid. His stated opinion was that lower TF volume was an undependable source of clues. Volume is a very important source of clues. Sometimes they stand out on the larger TFs and often the lower...
Since you have come here to touch my sensitivity. I want you to know, who best handled the volume was loeil, his mistake was not a bad reading of volume, but a very different one.
But do not try to teach me to read the volume, because your way of understanding it is at least questionable throwing error. And I do not want to talk about theories Gupito because you take these discussions as personal affairs, and because it is not believed he himself already.. And I have not come to Forex Factory to discuss personal matters, but to talk about Forex, without coercion or threats, but from the freedom of opinion, and without prejudice.

By the way, tell him the brave "sonicer" spying this thread, that he can do it in the open, no one going to discriminate, but to listen to their own opinions.
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  • #879
  • Nov 7, 2014 12:04pm Nov 7, 2014 12:04pm
Quoting traderathome
{quote} Patron, There is no "best" here at the Sonic R. System thread. We all work to improve and we all have good and bad "events". Loeil was following his "hybrid" system wherein he focused on what he saw as larger TF volume clues as to whether the market was gaining bullish or bearish intent "in the background". He only considered volume on larger TFs as valid. His stated opinion was that lower TF volume was an undependable source of clues. Volume is a very important source of clues. Sometimes they stand out on the larger TFs...

A trader never speaks of "goods to bads events". A trader responsible for their trades, and speaks from his own mistakes. In trading, as in life, "throw balls out" is a discharge, which will only come back to repeat a mistake, do not admit as your own.
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  • #880
  • Nov 7, 2014 12:12pm Nov 7, 2014 12:12pm
Quoting sam30
{quote} Just my Opinion ...special on AU Based on running candle (daily)...forming Engulf (reversal UP) ...but we have strong S turning R @ 0,8645 area So...any rejection on there will form rejected candle on daily (depend the wick or rejected zone) With 60 pips range so far...what will we expect with NFP today? (maybe not to much move....) Just calculation..... if market want to Up just need around 50 pips to S/R zone ..... or will break it? for how far the break? If want to Down....then just place pending short below ,8600 level and see how far...
AUDUSD Daily
Finally, there was what you expected, the engulfing daily candle ..
long...
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