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  • #301
  • Oct 25, 2014 5:43am Oct 25, 2014 5:43am
Quoting adeforex
I HAD this on my laptop from somewhere i cant remember and am sharing it ,may be it will be useful for those that want to analyse transient zones with volume. I wont say more than that. Pulse and think mostly on eurusdd way of thinking on price behavior. How the price makes and how the price up and down? I’ll give you example on “How the price make?” at a simplified simulation. Simulation of: “HOW PRICE CHANGE?” in simplified. Name of multi-Currency: GBPJPY Present price: 172.354 bid, 172.379 ask (example only) Name of Institution that look into...
Yes In others words MM push price up so that they can sell and push price low so that they can buy. But this is the limit of my knowledge on this so far
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  • #302
  • Oct 25, 2014 6:05am Oct 25, 2014 6:05am
Had a eureka moment as I created this for my notes. Maybe you will have one as well.

Enjoy...
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File Type: pdf Eurusdd's TZ RZ Clues and Lessons.pdf   823 KB | 2,190 downloads
  • #303
  • Oct 25, 2014 6:24am Oct 25, 2014 6:24am
Quoting Rahimseven
Had a eureka moment as I created this for my notes. Maybe you will have one as well. Enjoy... {image}
Yes I think you got Eurusdd's method
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  • #304
  • Oct 25, 2014 6:32am Oct 25, 2014 6:32am
Quoting Rahimseven
Had a eureka moment as I created this for my notes. Maybe you will have one as well. Enjoy... {image}
Rahim7, the way you ordered this and highlighted it has just given me a Eureka moment too!
This is the second time you've done it and you are an asset and an example to this thread!
i applaud and congratulate you!

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  • #305
  • Oct 25, 2014 6:36am Oct 25, 2014 6:36am
Quoting cfdtaleong
{quote} Yes In others words MM push price up so that they can sell and push price low so that they can buy. But this is the limit of my knowledge on this so far
I JUST SAW THE FULL PDF FILE NOW, YOU ARE RIGHT, i posted it here
BUT IT IS VERY TRICKY but once you master it with transient zones, you will be amazed . Applying volume and transient zones is what am studying and trading now with my basic set ups, and i can see that it corresponds to most of eurusdd statements, and so far so good, it will make good deal especially hi probability set up whenwe expect transient zone to start developing..
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  • #306
  • Oct 25, 2014 7:17am Oct 25, 2014 7:17am
Quoting Rahimseven
Had a eureka moment as I created this for my notes. Maybe you will have one as well. Enjoy... {image}
Welldone! Thank you for sharing.
  • #307
  • Oct 25, 2014 10:54am Oct 25, 2014 10:54am
Quoting Rahimseven
Had a eureka moment as I created this for my notes. Maybe you will have one as well. Enjoy... {image}
Thank you very much for this nice post mate

Quoting adeforex
{quote} I JUST SAW THE FULL PDF FILE NOW, YOU ARE RIGHT, i posted it here BUT IT IS VERY TRICKY but once you master it with transient zones, you will be amazed . Applying volume and transient zones is what am studying and trading now with my basic set ups, and i can see that it corresponds to most of eurusdd statements, and so far so good, it will make good deal especially hi probability set up whenwe expect transient zone to start developing..
This is also great, thanks too, mates ....
  • #308
  • Oct 25, 2014 1:18pm Oct 25, 2014 1:18pm
Quoting adeforex
{quote} I JUST SAW THE FULL PDF FILE NOW, YOU ARE RIGHT, i posted it here BUT IT IS VERY TRICKY but once you master it with transient zones, you will be amazed . Applying volume and transient zones is what am studying and trading now with my basic set ups, and i can see that it corresponds to most of eurusdd statements, and so far so good, it will make good deal especially hi probability set up whenwe expect transient zone to start developing..
Big thanks adeforex, the file came to me in time, looking for it long and long, because cannot go through thousands of Sonic pages only for that. Good pips to you always.

Regards,
Exciter135.
  • #309
  • Oct 26, 2014 12:37am Oct 26, 2014 12:37am
i need some help here.
i've read this thread for many times and i am still confused..

from the jewels of the tz section, it says that:-
2)A potential TZ has a 97% probability of not becoming a true TZ,
therefore it can be said that price is likely to move in such a way that
it finds itself back at the level that created the potential TZ within the
period of H

by knowing the above statement, it is saying "trade towards the PTZ since there is a 97% chance of clearing the zone within the H period"
or did i interpreted it wrongly?

i thought we should assume the PTZ has formed and trade away from it?
  • #310
  • Oct 26, 2014 1:14am Oct 26, 2014 1:14am
Quoting Gregoryy
i need some help here. i've read this thread for many times and i am still confused.. from the jewels of the tz section, it says that:- 2)A potential TZ has a 97% probability of not becoming a true TZ, therefore it can be said that price is likely to move in such a way that it finds itself back at the level that created the potential TZ within the period of H by knowing the above statement, it is saying "trade towards the PTZ since there is a 97% chance of clearing the zone within the H period" or did i interpreted it wrongly? i thought we should...
Read every post by Vlady on this thread and Eurusdd on the similarity thread carefully again. Also study this pdf carefully. That should help. Goodluck.
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File Type: pdf Eurusdd's TZ RZ Clues and Lessons.pdf   823 KB | 1,249 downloads
  • #311
  • Oct 26, 2014 1:14am Oct 26, 2014 1:14am
another question.. for the minimum value of H, the recurrent zone should be 97% and transient zone should be 3%,

i wish to view H4 on 15min chart.
In order to fulfil the minimum value, i set my H value as 32 which gives me a confirmed transient bar of 2.90% in H4 chart,
then i convert the H value equivalent to 15min chart which gives me the H value as 512 (32*4*4)
However, when i view on my 15min chart, there is only 0.10% confirmed transient bar.

So my question here is am i doing it the right way?

Always ready to learn, hope i could get some confirmation.

Thanks
  • #312
  • Oct 26, 2014 1:18am Oct 26, 2014 1:18am
Quoting LITEchild
{quote} Read every post by Vlady on this thread and Eurusdd on the similarity thread carefully again. Also study this pdf carefully. That should help. Goodluck. {image}
alright.. i'll read it over again to make sure i'm on the right path
  • #313
  • Oct 26, 2014 1:19am Oct 26, 2014 1:19am
Quoting Gregoryy
i need some help here. i've read this thread for many times and i am still confused.. from the jewels of the tz section, it says that:- 2)A potential TZ has a 97% probability of not becoming a true TZ, therefore it can be said that price is likely to move in such a way that it finds itself back at the level that created the potential TZ within the period of H by knowing the above statement, it is saying "trade towards the PTZ since there is a 97% chance of clearing the zone within the H period" or did i interpreted it wrongly? i thought we should...
There are many ways to use the TZ. You have interpreted that statement correctly...
  • #314
  • Oct 26, 2014 1:29am Oct 26, 2014 1:29am
Quoting Gregoryy
i need some help here. i've read this thread for many times and i am still confused.. from the jewels of the tz section, it says that:- 2)A potential TZ has a 97% probability of not becoming a true TZ, therefore it can be said that price is likely to move in such a way that it finds itself back at the level that created the potential TZ within the period of H by knowing the above statement, it is saying "trade towards the PTZ since there is a 97% chance of clearing the zone within the H period" or did i interpreted it wrongly?[/highlight]...
I think I wrote that Your interpretation is correct. How you apply it is another matter. The part I highlighted should become clear as you read more. Remember, some PTZs we return to, some we move away from. Just because a potential TZ has only 3% chance of being a TZ does not mean it won't happen.

How you set your H is correct. The conversion not necessarily so or required. As long as your H value gives you ~3% it is workable assuming you choose to work with that set of probabilities.
I want more brain power!
  • #315
  • Oct 26, 2014 1:32am Oct 26, 2014 1:32am
Quoting cfdtaleong
{quote} I think I wrote that Your interpretation is correct. How you apply it is another matter. The part I highlighted should become clear as you read more. Remember, some PTZs we return to, some we move away from. Just because a potential TZ has only 3% chance of being a TZ does not mean it won't happen. How you set your H is correct. The conversion not necessarily so or required. As long as your H value gives you ~3% it is workable assuming you choose to work with that set of probabilities.
  • #316
  • Oct 26, 2014 1:34am Oct 26, 2014 1:34am
Quoting Rahimseven
All of this has been shared. This may make it plain for some as to one way to use the gem dropped by Eurusdd. I share a gem, you share a gem {image}
Fair warning : Putting it into practice requires some skill and try not to give everything away

Good job coming this far
I want more brain power!
  • #317
  • Oct 26, 2014 1:37am Oct 26, 2014 1:37am
Thanks everyone for their contribution in encouraging and motivating the beginners.
Its really gives hope to the beginners
  • #318
  • Oct 26, 2014 2:12am Oct 26, 2014 2:12am
Quoting cfdtaleong
{quote} Fair warning : Putting it into practice requires some skill and try not to give everything away Good job coming this far
Ok, folks. Grab a shovel and dig. Decided to pull that gem back. The thread is like Ragu "it's in there"...
  • #319
  • Oct 26, 2014 6:45am Oct 26, 2014 6:45am
Quoting Gregoryy
i need some help here. i've read this thread for many times and i am still confused.. from the jewels of the tz section, it says that:- 2)A potential TZ has a 97% probability of not becoming a true TZ, therefore it can be said that price is likely to move in such a way that it finds itself back at the level that created the potential TZ within the period of H by knowing the above statement, it is saying "trade towards the PTZ since there is a 97% chance of clearing the zone within the H period" or did i interpreted it wrongly? i thought we...
Hi Gregoryy,
I personally feel that the probability of this (bold statement above) is less than 97%. It's more like 80%. Please see my post on page 14 if you want to see why.
I think the 97% figure is dangerous and misleading to people who are new to trading and new to this concept. 97% sounds like something you could bet your house on. Even 80% sounds good. But please be aware of current issues before placing your trade, and don't bet too much.
You reap what you sow.
  • #320
  • Edited 8:22am Oct 26, 2014 8:05am | Edited 8:22am
Quoting cfdtaleong
{quote} Fair warning : Putting it into practice requires some skill and try not to give everything away Good job coming this far
Totally agree mate, we need to practice, and practice, and practice ..... until TRZ becomes a friend for us , before it is too late
Thanks for your good posts mate.

Edit: about this 3%, for example we have 1000 bars on chart, and we use it for calculation. We get 42 bars that really already finished Transient Bars (Not Resolved one). So, we get : (42/1000)*100% = 4.2% . Is this the way we calculate the TZ (by looking for the right "h" & "k") to get result around 3% ?

Edit : Or from 1000 bars on chart we used for calculation, we get 84 bars as Finished + Resolved TZ. And we get only 42 bars as finished TZ. So, we get : (42/84)*100% = 50% ? And we must choose the right h&k in order to reduce this 50% to around 3% ?
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