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  • #161
  • Oct 22, 2014 10:52pm Oct 22, 2014 10:52pm
Quoting blueface
{quote} Thanks Relativity I will try multiple timeframes,thx
IMO you have to understand and 'fix' #2 1st before you attempt #3. Some appropriate filter to show you the most important overlaps. Otherwise you will be lost with 'too much data/information' when you reach #3.
  • #162
  • Oct 22, 2014 11:11pm Oct 22, 2014 11:11pm
Quoting Relativity
{quote} IMO you have to understand and 'fix' #2 1st before you attempt #3. Some appropriate filter to show you the most important overlaps. Otherwise you will be lost with 'too much data/information' when you reach #3.
Thank you for your advice.
  • #163
  • Oct 23, 2014 12:59am Oct 23, 2014 12:59am
Quoting SunSaltwater
{quote} So strange....my actual goal was to make it as simple and basic as possible because it was being grossly overcomplicated.....wow, LOL.
As admirable as that goal is, you can't make trading simple. This concept is easy to understand but to implement? You've uncovered just one implementation idea. And now you think you've simplified it.

But let's address a few points.
Your goals was stated above. But not once did you say to me "Vlad, this is not clear". Shit, you keep spelling my name wrong.
You hijack this thread thinking you're helping people, which some people may message you for...great. But you've also violated the principle Eurusdd gave which is to keep it secret and let others figure the implementation out.

For every good step you take, you go back a step with some misguided need to prove yourself but saying you're not. Start your own thread! I just saw your post on Sim, it's all recurrent... GREAT! Prove it! Start a thread and show people how to do it in 3 Easy Steps. Go.

97% vs 3%.... Like you came up with that all by yourself? You didn't see me quote that? You didn't see others quote that? You wanted in SIMPLE terms but you actually still haven't got it because you've latched onto one implementation.

On top of this, not one note of gratitude in your posts or responses. That's probably the biggest irritant.
But cest la vie. You've "simplified" your idea and now you can teach others how to do it. You can go spread your wings and fly.

Youre no longer needed in the Basic thread cos your not a beginner anymore. Bye! Best of luck to you!
A pip is only worth it if you know how much you risked to earn it
  • #164
  • Oct 23, 2014 1:04am Oct 23, 2014 1:04am
Quoting SunSaltwater
Price isn't 97% TZ? Really? Really? It is if you look at it like my mind does, maybe I am crazy {image}
This interpretation is not right.
It starts off well but comes to the wrong conclusion.
If you're happy with this cos it clears up what you think price is going to do, fine... Trade it and go for it.

But you've been warned. It is not the complete story...
A pip is only worth it if you know how much you risked to earn it
  • #165
  • Oct 23, 2014 1:12am Oct 23, 2014 1:12am
Quoting LITEchild
{quote} so you're saying ALL the charts and help given on the similarity thread by so many great and helpful people are not simple and clear enough? That in itself is an insult to the effort being done here by Vlady. Nobody has made it simpler and clearer than Vlady(and a few others) have done. You are being very pompous and arrogant for someone who is just here to help. Hindsight charts are easy make 'simple' and 'clear' like yours! That's how scammers appear at first too...(not necessarily saying you are one), but thats why it is always needful...
He/She doesn't even recognise you as one of the seniors.
He/She didn't think this thread or Similarity thread (started by Eurusdd.... The Founder!) was simple enough.

No gratitude. Just...."Look! I've discovered what it really means! Naked chart, draw boxes, draw lines and price always goes back! Open a live account to get some skin in the game and you'll be okay! Just do it like me!"

Irresponsible!
A pip is only worth it if you know how much you risked to earn it
  • #166
  • Oct 23, 2014 1:21am Oct 23, 2014 1:21am
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Quoting vlady1974
{quote} As admirable as that goal is, you can't make trading simple. This concept is easy to understand but to implement? You've uncovered just one implementation idea. And now you think you've simplified it. But let's address a few points. Your goals was stated above. But not once did you say to me "Vlad, this is not clear". Shit, you keep spelling my name wrong. You hijack this thread thinking you're helping people, which some people may message you for...great. But you've also violated the principle Eurusdd gave which is to keep it secret and...
Vlad matey! The secret is not out. I repeat the secret is not out. He has only uncovered the principle. He cerainly cant make profit trading that way. Im sure of thathe has violated the principle of letting others work.if you noticed eurusdd was waiting for members of the similarity thread to grasp the basic principle before he can teach us more. So i think eurusdd is happy that this guy, saltwater or what is he called has exposed the principe. Once again the principle is out but the secret will never be revealed. He has only oncoverver an aspect of the principle, not all of it. I can assure him he cant trade based on the charts he posted
ITS NOT THAT STRAIGHT FORWARD
  • #167
  • Oct 23, 2014 1:22am Oct 23, 2014 1:22am
Quoting elway
Thanks Vlady for all your effort and help. I was hoping you or someone could clarify if my understanding of how the recurrent stats works is right. Right now, on the EurUsd 4h chart, I have the indy set at 6 left, 4 right, and it gives me 92% chance (with fractal bars) If I change the setting to 6 left, 16 right, the chance only increases to more than 92%. Lets just say 93% even though it isn't quite that high. Lets assume those averages actually play out... That would mean that: in 100 trades, 92 of the 100 come back into the zone within four candles....
Hey Elway! Great questions. Can you please put up a chart? Are you using Kprsa's Statistics indi? Need to know your h value.
Also, the indi calculates return within h bars (but not including the focus bar). If you include the focus bar, then you have to go lower into a smaller timescale which is a tick.... Not the objective of what you're trying to do in a 1H chart, right?

Also, you said 100 trades.....not trades, 100 bars. This is what you meant, right? We are talking chart bars only, not actual entry/exit trades.

Edit:
Once I get back to work I will find Kprsa's post where he explains every component of his indi. That should make it clear.
Oh BTW..you're thinking on the right track!
A pip is only worth it if you know how much you risked to earn it
  • #168
  • Oct 23, 2014 1:28am Oct 23, 2014 1:28am
Quoting ephisi
8{quote} Vlad matey! The secret is not out. I repeat the secret is not out. He has only uncovered the principle. He cerainly cant make profit trading that way. Im sure of thathe has violated the principle of letting others work.if you noticed eurusdd was waiting for members of the similarity thread to grasp the basic principle before he can teach us more. So i think eurusdd is happy that this guy, saltwater or what is he called has exposed the principe. Once again the principle is out but the secret will never be revealed. He has only oncoverver...
You're absolutely right.

And you know what? He's absolutely "right"..... He can start his own thread.

Oh and I'm not worried about any secret being out. There is no secret to the principle. There are however better implementations than others and to that I will hold my secrecy promise. My Basic Thread clearly hasn't scratched the surface....because not enough people are asking the right questions yet. Only a few.
A pip is only worth it if you know how much you risked to earn it
  • #169
  • Oct 23, 2014 1:34am Oct 23, 2014 1:34am
Quoting ephisi
8{quote} Vlad matey! The secret is not out. I repeat the secret is not out. He has only uncovered the principle. He cerainly cant make profit trading that way. Im sure of thathe has violated the principle of letting others work.if you noticed eurusdd was waiting for members of the similarity thread to grasp the basic principle before he can teach us more. So i think eurusdd is happy that this guy, saltwater or what is he called has exposed the principe. Once again the principle is out but the secret will never be revealed. He has only oncoverver...
whom told you the secret Ephisi ?
  • #170
  • Oct 23, 2014 1:38am Oct 23, 2014 1:38am
Quoting LITEchild
{quote} Dude! The attached char shows the trade dynamics from the account history you posted. The green horizontal line marks your entry price. The red horizontal line marks your exit. How the blazes does that trade have anything to do with TZs? For the last confimed TZ I'vemarked the proper entry. Based on the currently forming potential TZs, probability says to SELL, not yet BUY. And you're trying to help others? What a joke! 3pips??? What was the risk? Where was your stop? I think it's better you just shut up, humble yourself and learn what is...
I agree with you, that chart is in sell mode till next zone for buys is reached
  • #171
  • Oct 23, 2014 1:42am Oct 23, 2014 1:42am
Quoting orid
{quote} whom told you the secret Ephisi ?
Eurusdd once told me privately that its okay for everyone to know the principle. But his entries will be kept secret. Everyone can trade based on the principle but not have the same entry triggers. The moment we all have the same entry trigers we begin to loose our edge.
Eurusdd has kept some secrets from us.we are meant to use what he has shared to build a powerful system or edge. Everyone doing it differently.i have my own secret that i will never reveal, though i will tesch the principles
  • #172
  • Oct 23, 2014 1:44am Oct 23, 2014 1:44am
Quoting vlady1974
{quote} You're absolutely right. And you know what? He's absolutely "right"..... He can start his own thread. Oh and I'm not worried about any secret being out. There is no secret to the principle. There are however better implementations than others and to that I will hold my secrecy promise. My Basic Thread clearly hasn't scratched the surface....because not enough people are asking the right questions yet. Only a few.
Agreed. This stuff is really deep. Needs lot of hardwork study and backtesting
  • #173
  • Oct 23, 2014 1:49am Oct 23, 2014 1:49am
secret at forum

Quoting orid
{quote} whom told you the secret Ephisi ?
My Best Trade is Next Trade!
  • #174
  • Oct 23, 2014 1:53am Oct 23, 2014 1:53am
sum up;
you guys/gals knowing some secret given you by eurusdd & were using it for your trading now partially revieled by salty guy?
if it was a secret why did you created this thread & discussed
if it was a secret why eurusdd shared it with some of you

when secret shared its not a secret anymore

I really having difficulties what guys/gals you are doing here...!

Quoting ephisi
{quote} Agreed. This stuff is really deep. Needs lot of hardwork study and backtesting
My Best Trade is Next Trade!
  • #175
  • Oct 23, 2014 1:54am Oct 23, 2014 1:54am
Quoting MAM.Trader
sum up; you guys/gals knowing some secret given you by eurusdd & were using it for your trading now partially revieled by salty guy? if it was a secret why did you created this thread & discussed if it was a secret why eurusdd shared it with some of you when secret shared its not a secret anymore I really having difficulties what guys/gals you are doing here...! {quote}
Vlad has answered your questions
  • #176
  • Oct 23, 2014 1:58am Oct 23, 2014 1:58am
Quoting ephisi
8{quote} Vlad matey! The secret is not out. I repeat the secret is not out. He has only uncovered the principle. He cerainly cant make profit trading that way. Im sure of thathe has violated the principle of letting others work.if you noticed eurusdd was waiting for members of the similarity thread to grasp the basic principle before he can teach us more. So i think eurusdd is happy that this guy, saltwater or what is he called has exposed the principe. Once again the principle is out but the secret will never be revealed. He has only oncoverver...
Your words (Vlad matey! the secret is not out I repeat the secret is not out) you are obviously refering to a secret you both share , I know of it , Vlady knows of it
you shouldnt know of it ,just wondered who shared it with you?
Regards Orid peter
  • #177
  • Oct 23, 2014 1:59am Oct 23, 2014 1:59am
Quoting Eurusdd
The problem is how you deal with transient prices, in a ranging or trending market. There are some things that must remain SECRET. If you can figure it out, good for you!!!! You have the theory, build your trading model! Bye.
There are things eurusdd knows that we dont know
  • #178
  • Oct 23, 2014 2:00am Oct 23, 2014 2:00am
Quoting Eurusdd
{quote}Good read. I really think it was right to let people understand this simple truth for themselves. You made my day. Some will never understand what is going on and they will continue to search for something extra. The statement is so simple and true. It is up to the trader to use it wisely!

Eurusdd is ok with the principle being out
  • #179
  • Oct 23, 2014 2:03am Oct 23, 2014 2:03am
Quoting orid
{quote} Your words (Vlad matey! the secret is not out I repeat the secret is not out) you are obviously refering to a secret you both share , I know of it , Vlady knows of it you shouldnt know of it ,just wondered who shared it with you? Regards Orid peter
dont see it that way. you need to realize that we are all implementing tzs differently. vlad has discovered some things he wont reveal, thats his secret. i have discovered some things. thats my secret. vlads secret may or may not be the same as mine or eurusdds.
remember the aim is to have your own secret weapon. not eurusdds, not vlads, not ephisis
  • #180
  • Oct 23, 2014 2:03am Oct 23, 2014 2:03am
if more then 1 knows
it is not secret anymore
didnt your daddy tell you........!

Quoting orid
{quote} Your words (Vlad matey! the secret is not out I repeat the secret is not out) you are obviously refering to a secret you both share , I know of it , Vlady knows of it you shouldnt know of it ,just wondered who shared it with you? Regards Orid peter
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