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  • #10,401
  • Oct 17, 2014 11:18am Oct 17, 2014 11:18am
hi guys i have a question.

in the recurrent statistic indi there is a %value for true transient bar.
Does it mean after h is completed without going above or below(depending on the bar location) it will be a true trans.bar?
thanks for responding.
follow the flow
  • #10,402
  • Oct 17, 2014 11:24am Oct 17, 2014 11:24am
Alright, quit all the BITCHING! Right from the start of this thread, the originator presented concepts to develop, NOT a complete system. That is up to you to use your brains and find a way to trade.

EURUSDD, made it clear, he will not share his complete system OR the way to trade it. Others have, myself included. So, if you cannot find in the thread where it has been SPELLED out PLAINLY how to use a few of the concepts, you are either not following instructions; have not read the thread or you are just LAZY AND IGNORANT.
(this does not apply to those who have English as a second language)

As far as the phenomenal results some are having using the concept(s), that is a result of reading and trying to grasp the core concept from the information presented. If you do not understand the core concept of whichever style, system, you will have terrible results and a lot of frustration.

If you do not understand this then you just need to go somewhere else and be nuisance to yourself.
  • #10,403
  • Oct 17, 2014 11:25am Oct 17, 2014 11:25am
Quoting Atihun
hi guys i have a question. in the recurrent statistic indi there is a %value for true transient bar. Does it mean after h is completed without going above or below(depending on the bar location) it will be a true trans.bar? thanks for responding.
Hi Atihun,

Hopefully Kprsa can confirm, but the "transient bars" are the bars with a grey/white arrow. It is completed if price revisits the level - but I can't remember if it is calculated within h or not. Even if we assume that it's not dependent on h, the total population will be limited by the settings in the indicator. I usually set this to 3000 from a default of 1000.
A pip is only worth it if you know how much you risked to earn it
  • #10,404
  • Oct 17, 2014 11:30am Oct 17, 2014 11:30am
Quoting mhmdfx
{quote} as i understood from reading this thread that i wait for appearance of developing zones then i expect that it will be TZ so i sell if prices above it because it is in recurrent zone like picture #1 but it disappeared so what i will do ?? will i get out of my trade with loss you can see pictures below to under stand what i mean {image} {image}
Well its seems the last few arguments was my fault. I did not answer this question that was directed at me because I didn't notice I was quoted and the kind replies of others have become a source of contention of sorts.

These questions and beyond have been answered in my recent posts quite clearly already. Yes mhmdfx took the effort to put in some charts which is probably why others responded. But he did ask a question which need not have been asked if he had been more thorough in his reading. In fact the thread has been very clear that we do not expect TZs in the general case. The issue with concerning Lite, V has answer very well. None of these people are braggers I can assure you, they are here to inspire and without them I personally would not have been able to come this far.
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  • #10,405
  • Oct 17, 2014 11:33am Oct 17, 2014 11:33am
Quoting jackprobe
{quote} Are you sure ? Have you read the whole thread ? What Eurusdd's said about sharing the code ? Be careful about what kind of code you want to share ..... good heart must be done at the right time and the right place
OK maybe I won't.
Open to new approaches.
  • #10,406
  • Oct 17, 2014 11:35am Oct 17, 2014 11:35am
Quoting MetaCoder
My EA already saw a stochastic mismatch between hourly and 30-minute EURUSD, at price level 1.27557. The price quickly dropped to 1.27431, and popped back up above the marked level of 1.27557. Most good trading opportunities would take longer to unfold, both for a good entry point and a good exit point. For the shorter-term traders this signal could have triggered a nice fast scoop-up of some pippage.
MetaCoder, are you evaluating on a tick basis or full bar/candle close for each TF?
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  • #10,407
  • Oct 17, 2014 11:37am Oct 17, 2014 11:37am
Quoting vlady1974
{quote} Hi Atihun, Hopefully Kprsa can confirm, but the "transient bars" are the bars with a grey/white arrow. It is completed if price revisits the level - but I can't remember if it is calculated within h or not. Even if we assume that it's not dependent on h, the total population will be limited by the settings in the indicator. I usually set this to 3000 from a default of 1000.
cant change the bar amount in v3. checked the code its using bars-h_left. so in my case 19k bars.

so the red/blue ones are fractal bars also visible with the freefox indi if you use same settings.
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  • #10,408
  • Oct 17, 2014 11:41am Oct 17, 2014 11:41am
Quoting Atihun
hi guys i have a question. in the recurrent statistic indi there is a %value for true transient bar. Does it mean after h is completed without going above or below(depending on the bar location) it will be a true trans.bar? thanks for responding.
There are two type in the indy. fractals and transient. You have described the fractal types. My interpretation is the transient ones means totally untouched. Price did not return to any of the prices in said bar
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  • #10,409
  • Oct 17, 2014 11:44am Oct 17, 2014 11:44am
Quoting Baillie
{quote} Hi Jim, You are on the right track here, this is what I was talking about a hundred or so pages ago. Here is the image I posted to point this out. {image}
Oh shoot NOW I see! Thanks man!
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  • #10,410
  • Oct 17, 2014 11:44am Oct 17, 2014 11:44am
Quoting vlady1974
{quote} MetaCoder, are you evaluating on a tick basis or full bar/candle close for each TF?
If we only look at bar closes, I doubt if we'd catch the stochastic mismatches when they occur. Has to be tick-by-tick.
Open to new approaches.
  • #10,411
  • Oct 17, 2014 11:45am Oct 17, 2014 11:45am
Quoting Atihun
{quote} cant change the bar amount in v3. checked the code its using bars-h_left. so in my case 19k bars. so the red/blue ones are fractal bars also visible with the freefox indi if you use same settings.
You know what, my bad. Just checked on the iPad... got them mixed up with FreeFox's indi. FreeFox's you can specify total bars, K's statistics go all bars.
I do the same, I place both indis with the same settings and have it as a template. I create different templates for different h values.
A pip is only worth it if you know how much you risked to earn it
  • #10,412
  • Oct 17, 2014 11:46am Oct 17, 2014 11:46am
Quoting vlady1974
{quote} MetaCoder, are you evaluating on a tick basis or full bar/candle close for each TF?
It's all valid - tick, 43 ticks, 32 secs, low/high, close/close, exponential, simple, etc. Across indicators as well... As long as you are trading with the main trend after some divergence, the probability will be with you. W:L and R:R, in general, will be proportional to the main trend:divergence ratio - expressed in time, price, and/or a more complex function.
  • #10,413
  • Oct 17, 2014 11:52am Oct 17, 2014 11:52am
Quoting MetaCoder
{quote} If we only look at bar closes, I doubt if we'd catch the stochastic mismatches when they occur. Has to be tick-by-tick.
Cool, thank you.
Are you doing this over a set number of bars based on the visible chart or just the continuous tick?
I remember in the early examples, 300 bars was the base for alot of the settings. I'm not a coder, just wondered about the mechanics.
Just brainstorming here, but it would be interesting to get a renewed take on Dissimilarity (DS) as it relates to TZs via multitimeframes.
A pip is only worth it if you know how much you risked to earn it
  • #10,414
  • Oct 17, 2014 11:55am Oct 17, 2014 11:55am
Quoting Barbaresco
{quote} It's all valid - tick, 43 ticks, 32 secs, low/high, close/close, exponential, simple, etc. Across indicators as well... As long as you are trading with the main trend after some divergence, the probability will be with you. W:L and R:R, in general, will be proportional to the main trend:divergence ratio - expressed in time, price, and/or a more complex function.
I think I understand this - but what is the main trend?
Or how does one (eg. a calculation) know which trend (ie. timeframe) has been chosen for the trade? Or is it better to take time out of the equation and use range bars?
A pip is only worth it if you know how much you risked to earn it
  • #10,415
  • Oct 17, 2014 11:57am Oct 17, 2014 11:57am
Barbaresco, what you say makes sense.

vlday1984, you're thinking about things I'm not thinking about yet. Right now I'm happy to have been shown a way to catch market distortions when they occur. I knew for sure the market has distortions pretty often and had put a lot of energy and time into methods for detecting them in a way that was tradable. The way eurusdd has shown is very easy to understand and implement.
Open to new approaches.
  • #10,416
  • Oct 17, 2014 11:57am Oct 17, 2014 11:57am
Quoting vlady1974
{quote} You know what, my bad. Just checked on the iPad... got them mixed up with FreeFox's indi. FreeFox's you can specify total bars, K's statistics go all bars. I do the same, I place both indis with the same settings and have it as a template. I create different templates for different h values.
np...

Quoting cfdtaleong
{quote} Oh shoot NOW I see! Thanks man!
simple as that??!
follow the flow
  • #10,417
  • Oct 17, 2014 11:58am Oct 17, 2014 11:58am
Quoting bradu
just to trust me from now on and to be in this thread spirit...i share with you im on 344 consecutive winning trade so far
BTW, I forgot to ask.... what concepts from the thread are attributable to your wins? eg. are you using TZ, Similarity/Dissimilarity, Rare Event, etc etc.
And why? or What resonates with you about it? I'm sure this would be enlightening for others.
A pip is only worth it if you know how much you risked to earn it
  • #10,418
  • Oct 17, 2014 12:00pm Oct 17, 2014 12:00pm
Quoting MetaCoder
Barbaresco, what you say makes sense. vlday1984, you're thinking about things I'm not thinking about yet. Right now I'm happy to have been shown a way to catch market distortions when they occur. I knew for sure the market has distortions pretty often and had put a lot of energy and time into methods for detecting them in a way that was tradable. The way eurusdd has shown is very easy to understand and implement.
No worries. Apologies if I got excited!
As a non-coder, I envy your skills. The best I've got is SQL. LOL
A pip is only worth it if you know how much you risked to earn it
  • #10,419
  • Oct 17, 2014 12:01pm Oct 17, 2014 12:01pm
Quoting vlady1974
{quote} I think I understand this - but what is the main trend? Or how does one (eg. a calculation) know which trend (ie. timeframe) has been chosen for the trade? Or is it better to take time out of the equation and use range bars?
One approach one could take (I think) is to just watch for the first move away from the price where the signal mismatch was detected. However if that first move is WITH a strong trend and we take a trade against the trend expecting the price to move back toward the marked price, we have more risk that if we had traded with the trend in the case of a countertrend move away from the marked price. Hope this makes sense.

I have no special insight on trends. I think longer-term trends are more important than shorter term trends, but since the market can do just about anything at any time, one must work out one's own salvation with regard to direction to trade.
Open to new approaches.
  • #10,420
  • Oct 17, 2014 12:04pm Oct 17, 2014 12:04pm
Quoting Atihun
{quote} np... {quote} simple as that??!
Why not? Demo it. But do not understate the brilliance behind it. Let a full TZ form and once the left side of the following PTZ in the opposite direction forms plan a return to that full TZ.
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