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  • #281
  • Oct 16, 2014 10:07am Oct 16, 2014 10:07am
Quoting Neio
Still experimenting....EJ m5. Here is an idea for those that want some direction...how about looking at the threads that MM subscribed too? I am not there yet but working hard like a detective slowly piecing things togther. {image}
i have checked those and at some point he seems to have an revelation and from there it's all a mystery
  • #282
  • Oct 16, 2014 10:12am Oct 16, 2014 10:12am
Sell eurusd now for 10 pips... I'll explain later
Peace & Pips
  • #283
  • Oct 16, 2014 10:17am Oct 16, 2014 10:17am
Quoting vladutz112
it's like if they will tell, the world of trading will be destroyed wich is not the case
Not the world of trading, but maybe their world of trading. An edge stops being one pretty fast once everybody knows about it.
  • #284
  • Oct 16, 2014 10:20am Oct 16, 2014 10:20am
  •  Neio
  • Joined Oct 2012 | Status: Can't think outside?Enlarge the box | 688 Posts
Quoting vladutz112
{quote} i have checked those and at some point he seems to have an revelation and from there it's all a mystery
Don't give up at the first hurdle...

....I am still reading those posts over and over again and searching on the Internet with the information I find....

...I have even read most of the threads and the key people who had something to say in those threads....

MM and anyone who has found such information is entitled to keep certain things secret. He did not give up at the first hurdle....
An expert is a man who has made all the mistakes which can be made
  • #285
  • Oct 16, 2014 10:28am Oct 16, 2014 10:28am
Quoting Neio
{quote} Don't give up at the first hurdle... ....I am still reading those posts over and over again and searching on the Internet with the information I find.... ...I have even read most of the threads and the key people who had something to say in those threads.... MM and anyone who has found such information is entitled to keep certain things secret. He did not give up at the first hurdle....
i'm more of a person straiaght forward if i want to teach someone i will teach i'm not gonna just pretend how good i am and let him make hopes that maybe one day MAYBE it will become as good as me cuz i am so good that i can't tell my secrets....i hope they don't feel offended but if u want to give back to the community GIVE don't just go in circles because everyone of them has asked for help at some point and received for free because others took care to give information for free in others threads if that information would have not been there they would not talked about this today
  • #286
  • Oct 16, 2014 10:42am Oct 16, 2014 10:42am
  •  Neio
  • Joined Oct 2012 | Status: Can't think outside?Enlarge the box | 688 Posts
Quoting vladutz112
{quote} i'm more of a person straiaght forward if i want to teach someone i will teach i'm not gonna just pretend how good i am and let him make hopes that maybe one day MAYBE it will become as good as me cuz i am so good that i can't tell my secrets....i hope they don't feel offended but if u want to give back to the community GIVE don't just go in circles because everyone of them has asked for help at some point and received for free because others took care to give information for free in others threads if that information would have not been...

I know what you are saying but it is not going to be handed on a plate by anyone. There is enough information to be to work on your own ideas and start experimenting.

With great power comes great responsibility...

...what would happen if the secret like that was handed out... one where you can predict points that price is going to return to within a certain timeframe

Do you think someone may try to package and sell it?

Those who are determined enough to succeed will find what they are looking for and if they have enough sense will not hand it out.
An expert is a man who has made all the mistakes which can be made
  • #287
  • Oct 16, 2014 10:46am Oct 16, 2014 10:46am
  •  Neio
  • Joined Oct 2012 | Status: Can't think outside?Enlarge the box | 688 Posts
Quoting Neio
Still experimenting....EJ m5. Here is an idea for those that want some direction...how about looking at the threads that MM subscribed too? I am not there yet but working hard like a detective slowly piecing things together. {image}

I think we will see 136.30 on EJ.

Don't follow me I'm still experimenting!
An expert is a man who has made all the mistakes which can be made
  • #288
  • Oct 16, 2014 10:55am Oct 16, 2014 10:55am
i'm already constantly profitable not a millionaire or things like that but even that i feel atracted to new ideas all the time but this type of comportment it's just gross and belive me nothing will happen to his precious edge and nothing will happen to the market even if it will be used by all the ff members i can assure you of that 100% ....i guess i said it all and it's time to go back at my things hope u will find what they are talking about and it's not just a thread to validate their egos
  • #289
  • Oct 16, 2014 11:10am Oct 16, 2014 11:10am
Quoting Neio
{quote} With great power comes great responsibility... ...what would happen if the secret like that was handed out... one where you can predict points that price is going to return to within a certain timeframe
this thread was funny at start (newbies thinkng they discovered weel..trading wise)....now it is hilaruos

subscribed !!!
  • #290
  • Oct 16, 2014 11:36am Oct 16, 2014 11:36am
This thread is taking pace.

I will begin my mission starting today, to do a streak of 100 wins 0 losses to prove this concept.

This is my trades for today, didn't have much time for trading, but i could have had alot more.

These trades are as close to 100% as it gets.

I can't show entry points for various reasons, but i'll post setups tommorrow, so people can see action as it happens.

Ullen
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  • #291
  • Oct 16, 2014 12:09pm Oct 16, 2014 12:09pm
Quoting Ullen
This thread is taking pace. I will begin my mission starting today, to do a streak of 100 wins 0 losses to prove this concept. This is my trades for today, didn't have much time for trading, but i could have had alot more. These trades are as close to 100% as it gets. I can't show entry points for various reasons, but i'll post setups tommorrow, so people can see action as it happens. Ullen {image}
So can you show exit points
  • #292
  • Oct 16, 2014 12:45pm Oct 16, 2014 12:45pm
  •  Neio
  • Joined Oct 2012 | Status: Can't think outside?Enlarge the box | 688 Posts
Quoting Neio
{quote} I think we will see 136.30 on EJ. Don't follow me I'm still experimenting!

hmmm...a couple of pips out!
An expert is a man who has made all the mistakes which can be made
  • #293
  • Edited 1:23pm Oct 16, 2014 1:01pm | Edited 1:23pm
Quoting tashkent
{quote} I really do not want to go too much into details and spoil the thread. Ullen doing a good job and I wish everybody excellent trades. What I was going to say is lately I am reading too many posts about price being fake or wrong, exact points where price must reach or must not reach. behind all these speculations there is a thought that there is someone "up there" watching the market moving the way he wants. somebody or something deceiving the whole world behind the curtains. I wrote somewhere about all these. the simple fact is that no matter...
Quoting tashkent
why does price move up? because buying volume is higher than selling volume. vice verse if price moves down. another explanation is An object at rest will remain at rest unless acted on by an unbalanced force. An object in motion continues in motion with the same speed and in the same direction unless acted upon by an unbalanced force. In other words, rising price will keep rising until it finds seller and price will keep falling until it finds a buyer. It is an eternal ping-pong game. No fakeys, just infinite quest for a balance.
Hi tashkent,

Thanks for your response, I like a good debate.

I don't think I am decieved, I pretty much tested this thing back going almost 5 years (aiming for 10) and all levels have been satisfied fairly soon. If you can show me where the few levels that I have stated that have been at fault I would appreciate it. I like to learn from anybody.

I wouldn't say I hate the trend, it's just that I don't pay attention to it.

If there are no fakeys, what are stop hunts?


Quoting vladutz112
{quote} i'm more of a person straiaght forward if i want to teach someone i teach iwill 'm not gonna just pretend how good i am and let him make hopes that maybe one day MAYBE it will become as good as me cuz i am so good that i can't tell my secrets....i hope they don't feel offended but if u want to give back to the community GIVE don't just go in circles because everyone of them has asked for help at some point and received for free because others took care to give information for free in others threads if that information would...
Hi vladutz,

I would like to begin in saying this is a trading journal, to log and display trades, not give out systems, otherwise it would be in the trading systems thread.

Quoting Neio
{quote} I know what you are saying but it is not going to be handed on a plate by anyone. There is enough information to be to work on your own ideas and start experimenting. With great power comes great responsibility... ...what would happen if the secret like that was handed out... one where you can predict points that price is going to return to within a certain timeframe Do you think someone may try to package and sell it? Those who are determined enough to succeed will find what they are looking for and if they have enough sense will...
I never said I would teach anyone. I have not had hand outs at all, some people think it comes easy.

Neio has the right attitude and only people like him will find what they are looking, never ever give up.

This is a business, if someone has a trade secret, would that business give it out to a rival business?

Someone messaged me saying " what am I still doing here?", my answer was I want to do the same thing that a few people did for me to get me to this point and that is to challenge peoples thinking, to be inspired by facts/results, without giving it out easy. Hopefully I can achieve that before I take a long break.

MM
  • #294
  • Oct 16, 2014 1:46pm Oct 16, 2014 1:46pm
well mad money can u give a hint on how to do a replica of an instrument?
  • #295
  • Oct 16, 2014 2:07pm Oct 16, 2014 2:07pm
Quoting Neio
{quote} hmmm...a couple of pips out!
Its a zone, a region, not necessarily an exact price. Depending on your broker/spreads/internet speed/etc. Also, note that it must not always be a return. It can be a RBR, not necessarily RBD or vice versa. I tried this method...and it worked well. Am glad someone else is also trying the same approach. Still tweaking though, but this is similar to what I am discovering.
  • #296
  • Oct 16, 2014 3:05pm Oct 16, 2014 3:05pm
Today's trades.

Here's my entries and exits if anyone wants to see.

It is possible to pinpoint the exact price level.
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  • #297
  • Oct 16, 2014 3:12pm Oct 16, 2014 3:12pm
Quoting Madmoney
Today's trades. Here's my entries and exits if anyone wants to see. It is possible to pinpoint the exact price level. {image} {image} {image}

since you have no sl on any of your trades...but only tp...where would you close this trade if it was going against you from the start...or even if it reverses now ?
  • #298
  • Oct 16, 2014 3:25pm Oct 16, 2014 3:25pm
Quoting bradu
{quote} since you have no sl on any of your trades...but only tp...where would you close this trade if it was going against you from the start...or even if it reverses now ?
That's why my entries are so important, I have data to tell me approximately price has deviated far enough from value.

I can appreciate all the questions, but it's a bit overwhelming, there is enough information I have said here and other threads.

Some people get lazy and want answers there and then and never actually experiment. Google, wikipedia can help you with words or phrases you don't understand. The recent research I done, I had no one to answer my questions, the internet gave me my answers.

Quoting Neio
{quote} Don't give up at the first hurdle... ....I am still reading those posts over and over again and searching on the Internet with the information I find.... ...I have even read most of the threads and the key people who had something to say in those threads.... MM and anyone who has found such information is entitled to keep certain things secret. He did not give up at the first hurdle....
Quoting Neio
how about looking at the threads that MM subscribed too? I am not there yet but working hard like a detective slowly piecing things together. {image}
  • #299
  • Oct 16, 2014 3:43pm Oct 16, 2014 3:43pm
Quoting Madmoney
{quote} That's why my entries are so important, I have data to tell me approximately price has deviated far enough from value. {quote} {quote}
you posted a chart, i asked a specific question, i dont think i have to read all your posts or wikpedia since i did not asked you to teach me your valuable secret
but i got it !!
you dont need any sl...because you have data to support that you are 100% correct on every entry

now im affrad that you will destroy the markets, in a few months you will have all the money available in the world
  • #300
  • Oct 16, 2014 3:48pm Oct 16, 2014 3:48pm
Quoting bradu
{quote} you posted a chart, i asked a specific question, i dont think i have to read all your posts or wikpedia since i did not asked you to teach me your valuable secret but i got it !! you dont need any sl...because you have data to support that you are 100% correct on every entry now im affrad that you will destroy the markets, in a few months you will have all the money available in the world
You sir have the wrong idea about markets.

Quoting Madmoney
{quote}I can appreciate all the questions, but it's a bit overwhelming, there is enough information I have said here and other threads. Some people get lazy and want answers there and then and never actually experiment. Google, wikipedia can help you with words or phrases you don't understand. The recent research I done, I had no one to answer my questions, the internet gave me my answers. {quote} {quote}

This quote was not directed at you so apologises, just wanted to cram it all into one post.
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