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  • #9,161
  • Sep 23, 2014 3:59pm Sep 23, 2014 3:59pm
  •  Neio
  • Joined Oct 2012 | Status: Can't think outside?Enlarge the box | 688 Posts
Quoting vlady1974
As promised, here are my notes on the Uneven Transient Zones (UTZ) technique that I used today. Please consider this a work in progress, just like all the other approaches in this thread. {image}
Nice work Vlady! Never really looked at uneven zones....might be another weapon to add to the trading arsenal!
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  • #9,162
  • Sep 23, 2014 4:00pm Sep 23, 2014 4:00pm
Quoting vlady1974
As promised, here are my notes on the Uneven Transient Zones (UTZ) technique that I used today. Please consider this a work in progress, just like all the other approaches in this thread. {image}
Thank you mate
  • #9,163
  • Sep 23, 2014 4:01pm Sep 23, 2014 4:01pm
Quoting vlady1974
As promised, here are my notes on the Uneven Transient Zones (UTZ) technique that I used today. Please consider this a work in progress, just like all the other approaches in this thread. {image}
Printed out, full colour, high res paper, coffee and quite corner to read it
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  • #9,164
  • Sep 23, 2014 4:01pm Sep 23, 2014 4:01pm
Quoting Neio
{quote} Looks Great Eurusdd, As there are 14 conditions that need to be met and 2 months of work none of us will get anywhere near this type of indicator. Would it be possible to share or even just provide a hint at some of the conditions that you are looking for? You have provided us with so much already so I understand if you do not wish to divulge anything further but many of us are keen to learn more and develop further. Regards Neio
Most important condition. The arrows SHOULD not repaint!!!!!

That one was stated very very clearly!
  • #9,165
  • Sep 23, 2014 4:02pm Sep 23, 2014 4:02pm
  •  Neio
  • Joined Oct 2012 | Status: Can't think outside?Enlarge the box | 688 Posts
Quoting Strawbale
{quote} i can confirm that noticed it too
In fact on one of my time frames the level that Eurusdd called earlier 1.2857 was equivalent to the 50 level on my stoch.
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  • #9,166
  • Sep 23, 2014 4:04pm Sep 23, 2014 4:04pm
Very good document Vlady.
It is convenient to continue naming "k", but now we have not considered.
"k" tells us if "h" is correct. Whereupon, it is a lot of information.
"k" is an integer, and in probability is called the "mean hitting times".
I think "k" are the points you get when you have calculated the probability of "h".
Then, using "h" and "k" are probabilistic measures without using an external sample data?
If you have a data sample of "x" years, you have the probabilities of each string, then it is possible to "h" and calculate "k" and get an approximation of the time it's going to hit a certain level. But how to do this with indicators?
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That said, it's a way to lock the price. "k" is referred to time and "h" refers to certain levels.
We have to note that we have no absorbent states.
  • #9,167
  • Sep 23, 2014 4:12pm Sep 23, 2014 4:12pm
Quoting vlady1974
As promised, here are my notes on the Uneven Transient Zones (UTZ) technique that I used today. Please consider this a work in progress, just like all the other approaches in this thread. {image}
agree.
  • #9,168
  • Sep 23, 2014 4:15pm Sep 23, 2014 4:15pm
Quoting burnssss
Very good document Vlady. It is convenient to continue naming "k", but now we have not considered. "k" tells us if "h" is correct. Whereupon, it is a lot of information. "k" is an integer, and in probability is called the "mean hitting times". I think "k" are the points you get when you have calculated the probability of "h". Then, using "h" and "k" are probabilistic measures without using an external sample data? If you have a data sample of "x" years, you have the probabilities of each string, then it is possible to "h" and calculate "k" and get...
There are ways to get huge profits with TZ burnsss and already a lot of people are showing it here. I will not create no losses on a real account though! I will make it look human....
  • #9,169
  • Sep 23, 2014 4:23pm Sep 23, 2014 4:23pm
Quoting Eurusdd
{quote}There are ways to get huge profits with TZ burnsss and already a lot of people are showing it here. I will not create no losses on a real account though! I will make it look human....
Eurusdd thank you very much for your answer.
Just trying to understand another concept. I love the chance and I like its proper implementation.
  • #9,170
  • Sep 23, 2014 4:39pm Sep 23, 2014 4:39pm
Quoting burnssss
{quote} Eurusdd thank you very much for your answer. Just trying to understand another concept. I love the chance and I like its proper implementation.
All you need to win is this simple statement:

There is a minimum value for h for which >97% of prices are h-recurrent!!!

That is all. Take your 5 min/1min chart and just look!!! How you make money using that information is for you to decide! Many people have found their levels and are ok. Numbers don't lie!!! If the market wants to beat this law/theorem, they will have to make most prices transient which will make the market beatable or less random. So, the market is in favor of recurrent prices. The more of these and just a few transient prices to get you, the better or more random the market will look. All you have to do is avoid those few moments!.
  • #9,171
  • Sep 23, 2014 4:48pm Sep 23, 2014 4:48pm
Quoting Eurusdd
{quote}All you need to win is this simple statement: There is a minimum value for h for which >97% of prices are h-recurrent!!! That is all. Take your 5 min/1min chart and just look!!! How you make money using that information is for you to decide! Many people have found their level and are ok.
Hey Chief,
I actually think this is a better statement to focus on than finding the optimum value of h.
I am sure there is a pure mathematical answer for finding the minimum that gives > 97%... but then just doing the experiment on:

1M:
1=unusable and unreadable
2=same
3=same
4=better but still cluttered
5=starts to get clearer
6=starting to see distinct points of entry/exit.... so, in an unscientific way but practical eyeballing way... I'd say 6. because if I can't read it, then I can't trade it.

5M
1=doesn't appear on chart
2=not as bad as 1M, shows distinct zones but still too cluttered
3=still cluttered
4=starting to be clearer
5=this is okay, but not for my tastes
6=this is the best setting as there is a better distinction between tops/bottoms and mids.

So purely on personal taste, readability and comprehension - I would say minimum setting of 6 for the 1M and 5M.
I would imagine that each timeframe will have its own minimum setting aligned to personal taste.
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  • #9,172
  • Sep 23, 2014 4:51pm Sep 23, 2014 4:51pm
Quoting vlady1974
{quote} Hey Chief, I actually think this is a better statement to focus on than finding the optimum value of h. I am sure there is a pure mathematical answer for finding the minimum that gives > 97%... but then just doing the experiment on: 1M: 1=unusable and unreadable 2=same 3=same 4=better but still cluttered 5=starts to get clearer 6=starting to see distinct points of entry/exit.... so, in an unscientific way but practical eyeballing way... I'd say 6. because if I can't read it, then I can't trade it. 5M 1=doesn't appear on chart 2=not as bad...
You are right VLADY1974. You can set the bar higher for more accuracy and that is the power of TZ. Each to his level of tolerance!
  • #9,173
  • Sep 23, 2014 4:57pm Sep 23, 2014 4:57pm
Thank you for this clarification @Eurusdd and @Vlady.
The general and therefore most important concept that I get is that the market is random therefore, most of the time is recurrent. Get transient areas and avoid them.
I prefer to get concepts, not systems. The concept provides me information my enemy. Knowing the nature of an event produces a range of possibilities.
  • #9,174
  • Sep 23, 2014 5:06pm Sep 23, 2014 5:06pm
Just looking at the charts for tomorrow, attached is the 15M view.
Interesting recent price action.... based on observing the uneven transient zones, should go up.
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  • #9,175
  • Sep 23, 2014 5:15pm Sep 23, 2014 5:15pm
I got this. 480 corresponds to one month H1 bars, that's my ignorant interpretation of k, but is still greater than 97%. am I completely out of focus?
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  • #9,176
  • Sep 23, 2014 5:22pm Sep 23, 2014 5:22pm
Quoting vlady1974
Just looking at the charts for tomorrow, attached is the 15M view. Interesting recent price action.... based on observing the uneven transient zones, should go up. {image}
bit of old school but head and shoulders broken neckline still not retested (lol)
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  • #9,177
  • Sep 23, 2014 5:32pm Sep 23, 2014 5:32pm
Quoting Strawbale
{quote} bit of old school but head and shoulders broken neckline still not retested (lol)
The funny thing is, I did notice that! LOL
What would be funnier is if the UTZ theory holds true and the guys at the EU thread will still be calling Heads & Shoulders tomorrow.
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  • #9,178
  • Sep 23, 2014 5:42pm Sep 23, 2014 5:42pm
Quoting FX-Jay
{quote} If things continue like this, I'm pretty sure my broker will be kicking me out very soon Or maybe switching me to some shitty server
mmm or copying your trades in 1000 accounts
  • #9,179
  • Sep 23, 2014 5:42pm Sep 23, 2014 5:42pm
Quoting vlady1974
{quote} The funny thing is, I did notice that! LOL What would be funnier is if the UTZ theory holds true and the guys at the EU thread will still be calling Heads & Shoulders tomorrow.
i think it will hold true. bias are starting to change. we are near a minimum
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  • #9,180
  • Sep 23, 2014 5:56pm Sep 23, 2014 5:56pm
Quoting vlady1974
Just looking at the charts for tomorrow, attached is the 15M view. Interesting recent price action.... based on observing the uneven transient zones, should go up. {image}
I agree. If an even tz forms or start forming along the move we can target the top uneven tz with more confidence (unverified). I'd also suggest using only formed TZs on the lower TFs. The higher ones we begin analysis once the LTZ forms to maximise opportunities
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