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List of sellers refusing to give proof

  • #41
  • Feb 28, 2014 1:12am Feb 28, 2014 1:12am
Quoting Porkpie
SGP, put your negative energy to constructive use. Trading is very tough and much of the hard work is mindset. Your negative mindset will only drag yourself down further. If you wonder around looking for a an easy quick fix to trading you will get dissapointed. Learn about how the markets work and avoid systems. There are plenty of free resources on the web and one or two good discussions here on FF. A better understanding will then lead you to an appropriate technique to analyzing the markets. You then make the technique your own.
I think the guy is doing a good job opening the eyes of noobs. You are negative not him, if you don't like the thread don't read it.
So, you think you have rights? LOL
  • #42
  • Feb 28, 2014 3:06am Feb 28, 2014 3:06am
brave post from SGP.

All i can say is if anyone can make money trading , why would they even come here. It makes no sense. Sure lots of people will say they have come here to share knowledge and blah blah blah....

Just think a profitable trader taking his time and coming here to help out the newbies. What a wonderful thing to do...Have you even seen a profitable institutional trader come in here and help people out for free.

I don't blame the people in commercial section trying to make money out of educating people. The only reason they are educating is because they failed to make money as traders. Don't kid yourself people.

Again , very brave of SGP to ask tough questions here which no seller can answer and the heat SGP is facing shows that.

No matter what anyone says SGP , you have the right to ask these questions and you have done nothing wrong , nor have you wasted energy or being negative.

End of the day, its not the trading education which will give you the edge. It is your discipline , hard work, execution and risk management and that is something no seller can educate.

There are plenty of trading strategies and ALL of them have equal chance of making money. One is not better than the other. Some say price action is better , some say Supply and demand strategies and some indicator based strategies. TRUTH is all these strategies/methods have equal probabilities. So just pick one and stick with it and see if it suits your trading style and after that discipline , hard work, execution and risk management can only make you a profitable trader.

A Hundred people can look at a market in hundred ways and they are ALL right and ALL wrong.

Every concept known to the trading world works sometimes , but not most of time. The edge given by ANY trading strategy/system/method is REALLY REALLY SMALL, so don't rely too much on these trading strategies. Most of them fail miserably.So how do people make money then? Answer is simple - discipline , hard work, execution and risk management.
  • #43
  • Feb 28, 2014 4:20am Feb 28, 2014 4:20am
thank you mr zamfir and forex oracle.

yes i will continue here as i am only asking the basic questions abotu some proof. seems very normal question for me i have all right to ask. don;t understand what is big deal unless they have something to hide.... if people like paying for the rubbish do it pls don;t advising me not to ask.

fact i be questioned even by some of teh "high impact" members is shock for me. it shows how many of the gullible peoples exisiting here. after many years as member or 1000s of postings u would think they understand seems they are just as stupid as brand new guys, espeically the "MaxDoom" guy what a sad guy after 8,000 positings and 3 yrs going in circles here he still trying to protect all the sellers. no wonder sellers is getting away with the fees.

sgp
  • #44
  • Feb 28, 2014 4:35am Feb 28, 2014 4:35am
Quoting sgpbufet
thank you mr zamfir and forex oracle. yes i will continue here as i am only asking the basic questions abotu some proof. seems very normal question for me i have all right to ask. don;t understand what is big deal unless they have something to hide.... if people like paying for the rubbish do it pls don;t advising me not to ask. fact i be questioned even by some of teh "high impact" members is shock for me. it shows how many of the gullible peoples exisiting here. after many years as member or 1000s of postings u would think they understand seems...

I have been around for a while , if you want my advice. I suggest you don't care if newbies want to take up these course or not. They are going to "PAY" market anyways.

What matters most is are you learning and are your making progress in becoming a profitable trader. That's all that matters.

Don't worry if newbies want to give money for something that is freely available.
  • #45
  • Edited 8:31pm Feb 28, 2014 6:06pm | Edited 8:31pm
SGPBUFET....you're so eager to show others scammers..it's your civil duty i guess ....what if you are a failed scammer trying to remove competition???....show us your trading statements and then start asking others for theirs....but you can't do that,,CAN U???? because you're so frustrated with your underwater demo accounts that you can't even accept in your small mind that if you are incapable to have an account with profit and every one who has one is a scammer to you ....maybe they don't have enough start up capital for trading?...or maybe ..why the fcuk is your problem? are you the loosers police? the whole market it's a scam to get the retails money haven't you figured that out untill now?????....and instead of pointing fingers and throwing rocks you could learn how to trade and become a shark....you'll say i'm a scammer...an ambasador in a bigger ponzi scheme..i couldn't care less about you..i never post here because i don't think i have some value to add to the comunity yet as i'm still learning...but your nagging wifeish tone in a few threads i was reading really pissed me off...so my two cents...stop worrying about other scamers...every one profitable in this bussiness is a scamer at some level..start dedicating your resources towards reading the scammers moves...and someday....
  • #46
  • Mar 3, 2014 1:16am Mar 3, 2014 1:16am
Quoting sgpbufet
yes i will continue here as i am only asking the basic questions abotu some proof. seems very normal question for me i have all right to ask. don;t understand what is big deal unless they have something to hide...
I see you got suspended again. You will be banned in a couple of days anyway, and all your posts/threads extracted to Recycled Bin.

What's wrong is not your posts in this thread. It's your bad attitude going around OTHER people's threads to harass and badger. TPOTrader wasn't even offering any services (not anymore) and you went to his thread to throw stones at him. How rude. I don't care if you re-surface again under a new nickname ..... such attitude won't be tolerated in this forum.
  • #47
  • Mar 3, 2014 4:34am Mar 3, 2014 4:34am
Quoting anyone
{quote} I see you got suspended again. You will be banned in a couple of days anyway, and all your posts/threads extracted to Recycled Bin. What's wrong is not your posts in this thread. It's your bad attitude going around OTHER people's threads to harass and badger. TPOTrader wasn't even offering any services (not anymore) and you went to his thread to throw stones at him. How rude. I don't care if you re-surface again under a new nickname ..... such attitude won't be tolerated in this forum.
Some people are just afraid of the truth. What is wrong with asking for verified proof to back a claim/produce/service......Why try to discourage SGPBUFET in his quest to reveal transparency and credibility here? His efforts are surely helping to raise the bar and make this place more productive by getting rid of some of the clutter.
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  • #48
  • Aug 28, 2014 9:55pm Aug 28, 2014 9:55pm
Sgpbufet,


Thank you for your efforts to create some transparency and honesty from commercial vendors. You re absolutely right in asking for their track record, and
to let others know if they refuse to post their live tades. I really don't understand some people's reactions - would anyone go to a doctor who refused to show their MD degree and medical board certification? Would anyone fly on a plane if the pilot was unqualified? No, of course not. Yet some newbie traders get mad, even downright offended, when you ask some vendor to prove he/she knows what they're talking about. I guess there those who want to believe in Santa. Zamfir was exactly correct - these vendors are failed traders. If they could trade profitably, they wouldn't be selling a course.

Think of it this way - if former bank traders from Goldman or Deutsche came here to FF to give real info, real market insights, would they charge. No,
they wouldn't charge - they don't need your measly $1000. But of course NONE of the vendors here were ever bank traders and some of them appear to not even have a degree in finance or economics (which Goldman would require to get a job there).

Indeed, upon reading some vendors' posts, I was amazed how little economics some of them even understand.
For example, the person who tops sgpbufet's list insists there is "order" in the market and he can tell where prices are going next.
To "prove" his assertion, he posts a picture of a flower garden! I kid you not! Total blue-collar thinking - this guy has never been inside a college classroom
(except maybe to sweep it). Anyone who has taken even a "survey" course in economics would realize how foolish that statement is.
If you haven't, here's the answer: the market wouldn't even exist if it were orderly and predictable. Prices would just go to their equilibrium values and stay there. There would be no trading opportunities at all.

To the starry-eyed newbies who think they'll conquer the forex market using the $99 robot or $1000 course they just bought - you are in for a rude awakening! Sgp, zamfir, ForexOracle,Headly, and others have tried to warn you, so don't say nobody told you so.
  • #49
  • Aug 29, 2014 12:21am Aug 29, 2014 12:21am
I want to reiterate this point, because it's important for you as a trader to understand it- markets such as the Chicago Board of Trade or the NYMEX or the OTC currency market (i.e., forex) were established to bring buyers and sellers together and to TRANSFER RISK from commercial interests who don't want risks to speculators who are accepting price risks in return for a profit opportunity. As a trader you are taking on risks whether you realize it or not. There is uncertainty in the markets, it could not be otherwise. As I stated before, markets could not exist if prices were orderly and predictable - the price of any asset ( stock, commodity, or currency pair) would just go immediately to its equilibrium value ( i.e., the value where supply = demand) and wouldn't budge until new information became available. Then it would go to its new equilibrium. That's the strong market efficiency model. There would be no arbitrage possibilities, no market inefficiencies to exploit . That's what we're trying to do as traders - exploit market inefficiencies for profit. Even if you've never heard it explained that way before, that's what trading is. That's why Mr. Garden Picture doesn't understand even basic economic theory. Markets are NOT predictable - if they were, there would be no way to trade them.

Now, I realize some newbies don't want to believe what I'm saying. That's OK, go ahead and blow 3 or 4 accounts using Mr. Garden Picture's "perfect" system. Your contribution to the kitty will be the profit gained by those who do understand markets. After blowing your hard-earned money, maybe just maybe, you'll start to think "Gee, I'd better understand trading better before I lose even more money". Just think of your trading loses as the tuition you have to pay to learn what real trading actually involves. Just remember, these vendors are NOT successful traders - if they were, they wouldn't be here selling you their market edge. Why do you think no bank traders visit forums like FF? Because they don't need your money and they aren't willing to give up their market edge by teaching it to amateur newbies. I might sound cynical, but it's better you hear the truth now than waste your time and money on systems that won't work.

I state emphatically - you won't conquer the forex market with that $99 robot or that $1000 "supply-demand/order flow/price action" course you just wasted your money on. Trading is far more difficult than that.
  • #50
  • Aug 29, 2014 9:25pm Aug 29, 2014 9:25pm
Quoting gravitist
I want to reiterate this point, because it's important for you as a trader to understand it- markets such as the Chicago Board of Trade or the NYMEX or the OTC currency market (i.e., forex) were established to bring buyers and sellers together and to TRANSFER RISK from commercial interests who don't want risks to speculators who are accepting price risks in return for a profit opportunity. As a trader you are taking on risks whether you realize it or not. There is uncertainty in the markets, it could not be otherwise. As I stated before, markets...
good post ,yes
agree all the sellers down here need to have myfxbook or a trade explorer mandatory to protect members from guys like daddybear etc not only that the threads should not be able to ban anyone who asks questions or the scammer deletes the post.thats just bad ,funny how this thread starter got banned by a friend of a friend on here thats down right dishonest .
is it to much that they use myfxbook protect your members ff please do the right thing .
student
  • #51
  • Aug 29, 2014 9:29pm Aug 29, 2014 9:29pm
Quoting lupy
SGPBUFET....you're so eager to show others scammers..it's your civil duty i guess ....what if you are a failed scammer trying to remove competition???....show us your trading statements and then start asking others for theirs....but you can't do that,,CAN U???? because you're so frustrated with your underwater demo accounts that you can't even accept in your small mind that if you are incapable to have an account with profit and every one who has one is a scammer to you ....maybe they don't have enough start up capital for trading?...or maybe ..why...
ITS GUYS LIKE YOU WHO FOLLOW TRADERS . Ifmyante - ReadtheMarket - Supply and Demand with Price Action yes i know you do !
student
  • #52
  • Aug 29, 2014 9:56pm Aug 29, 2014 9:56pm
this guy is the worshttp://www.forexfactory.com/attachme...1&d=1409158278t scammer on here pissing on ff members with his bullshit
student
  • #53
  • Aug 30, 2014 1:51am Aug 30, 2014 1:51am
List of sellers refusing to give proof

????

Why the big surprise?
It's so much easier and profitable to collect some $$ from unsuspecting forex trader wannabe than to actually make money in the market.

You want to make money in forex? all you have to do is to "sell shovels to the gold diggers"
  • #54
  • Aug 30, 2014 2:36am Aug 30, 2014 2:36am
Quoting Mingary
List of sellers refusing to give proof ???? Why the big surprise? It's so much easier and profitable to collect some $$ from unsuspecting forex trader wannabe than to actually make money in the market. You want to make money in forex? all you have to do is to "sell shovels to the gold diggers"
spot on mingary
student
  • #55
  • Aug 30, 2014 2:54am Aug 30, 2014 2:54am
Quoting Mingary
You want to make money in forex? all you have to do is to "sell shovels to the gold diggers"

Very well said Mingary...
  • #56
  • Nov 8, 2014 2:18am Nov 8, 2014 2:18am
Mingary, great post! It's like the California gold rush - the only ones who made any real money were store owners who sold supplies like shovels to the miners.
  • #57
  • Last Post: Jan 24, 2015 11:34am Jan 24, 2015 11:34am
Awfully quiet in here.......
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