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  • Jul 17, 2006 2:33pm Jul 17, 2006 2:33pm
  •  MoneyMa$ter
  • | Joined May 2006 | Status: Member | 1,043 Posts
Mr. Trend, my friend,

Yes, that's so true. If you can't make money on NFP, keep the day job!!! Yet I guarantee you some traders won't try it because there's so much negative press about trading news until after the initial push. Also folks are too busy bashing brokers instead of learning to trade within that broker's paradigm or simply finding a new broker.

Hey J,

Yes, entry (market or stop) is based on price movement and the particular announcement.

Jonas,

I can make more money in 3 - 5 minutes than most people earn in a year (praise the Lord!). I don't care about the post-push UT or DT, unless it continues the direction of the initial push. In that case just keep taking profits based on your trailing stop loss. But remember: pigs get fat, hogs get slaughtered.

If you want to sit in front of your screen, watching blinking lights and arrows and candle sticks, following the ups and downs, if that works for you, then do it. Me, I'd rather go golfing, or flying or shopping or swimming or whatever. :-) Besides, there's always another deal, another trade. Trades are just like streetcars; there's another coming along in five minutes, (if I may paraphrase Sir Mick).

Anyone Else Reading,

Trading multiple standard lots gives you a handsome return pretty much on whatever number of pips you get. Concern yourself not with profits or money, but concern yourself with process. When the process works the pips appear. The key is getting your process down pat. I like to say "a consistent process that produces positive pips produces powerful profits." Once you're confident in YOUR process, then just multiply the lots. That's it.

Me, even though I majored in economics and graduated with honors and blah, blah, blah....me I just don't get the T/A stuff AT ALL. T/A doesn't work for me, just does not turn me on; apparently works for others but it doesn't work for me. Fundamentals in the context of geo-political upheaval and natural disasters I understand. And it works.

Just information; not a recommendation.
 
 
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  • Jul 17, 2006 2:42pm Jul 17, 2006 2:42pm
  •  MoneyMa$ter
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Quoting jlowder
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Do you setup trades on other pairs with high correlations so you can get an extra amount out of the market or do you only stick to the GBP/USD and USD/CAN?

Jason
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My apologies Jason, I missed this part of your inquiry (I try to be responsive).

I trade GBP/USD for most news and USD/CAN for canadian news. I do not trade pairs with high correlations, such as EUR/USD or countering with USD/CHF. Could but I'm doing just fine without trying to absolutely get every trade possible.

I call it sweatless, stress-less, blessed victory.
 
 
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  • Jul 17, 2006 3:12pm Jul 17, 2006 3:12pm
  •  Mr Trend
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Quoting MoneyMa$ter
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Could but I'm doing just fine without trying to absolutely get every trade possible.
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As usual MM, you're right on the money (pun intended). I'd say that this has been the biggest problem for me to overcome in my trading career. Once you can master it, you'll make more money from trading less.
Mr. Trend
 
 
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  • Jul 17, 2006 4:08pm Jul 17, 2006 4:08pm
  •  tradersmile
  • | Joined Jul 2006 | Status: Member | 4 Posts
Me, even though I majored in economics and graduated with honors and blah, blah, blah....me I just don't get the T/A stuff AT ALL. T/A doesn't work for me, just does not turn me on; apparently works for others but it doesn't work for me. Fundamentals in the context of geo-political upheaval and natural disasters I understand. And it works


Money Ma$ter

I was just thinking trading without T/A, wouldn't it be just a different kind of gambling? You have got to understand the overall trend and got a game plan to enter and to exist the trades. Do you have a game plan before pulling your trigger? I was just wondering what was the turning point for an economist not to look at T/A. It must be differcult. How long has you been trading? And what is your successful rate on just trading news?

This is my first post and I have been study (paper trading) the mkt for the past two months with many TA. I have a strong accounting background and am still a little confused (not enough confidence maybe) until I read this thread "trading news". I combine trading news with T/A and made a very successful trade for the very first time on my real account. This was the easiest trade of all.


I am a swing trader and welcomes input to sharpen my "process".


To All:

Thank you for all your posts here, they are valuable experiences for me to learn. I am a teachable student with the disciplines in a journey to acquire the require knowledge to be a successful trader.
 
 
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  • Jul 17, 2006 5:27pm Jul 17, 2006 5:27pm
  •  MoneyMa$ter
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Quoting tradersmile
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I was just wondering what was the turning point for an economist not to look at T/A. It must be differcult. How long has you been trading? And what is your successful rate on just trading news?
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Great attitude Tradersmile; it's a wise man that loves correction, whereas a fool despises it. Keep that teachable spirit.

I've been trading for years, including stocks, options, commodity futures and forex. My success rate on just trading news is high 80's for major events (trying to be modest here); and 70's when I traded minor so-so events. The latter group, which I no longer trade, I think requires more time and analysis, neither of which am I willing to pay.

My trade plan requires more execution and discipline then knowing when to get in and out. It takes skill to enter your trades at the right time prior to an announcement in order to avoid (or at least minimize) last second spikes. If you've done your homework, you can be reasonably certain that the market will move in one direction or the other. Either way it moves, your straddle or hedge will catch it. That, to me, is not gambling.

As far as T/A is concerned, econometrics was my worst subject in my academic concentration (hope I'm not dating myself). Just not my flavor Smiling Trader, not my flavor.

TO ALL:

There was another thread in FF, recently closed, where the author suggested FXSol reduces your leverage when your account accumulates $100,000. Please be advised that assertion is not, I repeat, not true.

Just information; not a recommendation.
 
 
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  • Jul 17, 2006 6:06pm Jul 17, 2006 6:06pm
  •  greatdane
  • | Joined Mar 2006 | Status: Member | 130 Posts
Quoting jonas
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HI Annie,
Do not trade the news 100%. You must master on the TA also because there is a day without news.
I practically same as u. I'm not trade base on TA but sometimes need to go to TA for the explaination.
Keep it up.
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If somebody trades news, and there is a day without news, then they just don't trade. That's one of the first things I learned in forex - you don't have to be in the market constantly, and it is not wise to get into trades just to be there. I feel very strong about trading only if you have a good reason. Trading just because you don't wan't to miss a day is not a good reason.

Dane
 
 
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  • Jul 17, 2006 6:12pm Jul 17, 2006 6:12pm
  •  greatdane
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Quoting Mr Trend
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Dane, you hit it on the head. And I think that's a problem that people get too wrapped up in -- I've said this before and I know some prominent authors have said it as well (which is where I've learned it) -- You don't need to know what will happen next to make money.

When you can let go of the fact that you have to be right, you will start making money. If you can't let go of that, you will lose.

And that's why 90% of all traders lose money. Because they have to be right.

Pride isn't one of the seven deadly sins for nothing, ya know.
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Mr Trend,

Thanks for noticing... It took me a while to realize this and I will not miss any ocasion to say it.

Trying to be right all the time leads only to frustration. And frustration leads to fear. And fear leeds to the Dark Side. Wait... never mind...

Dane
 
 
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  • Jul 17, 2006 7:50pm Jul 17, 2006 7:50pm
  •  Mr Trend
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Quoting great*dane
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Trying to be right all the time leads only to frustration. And frustration leads to fear. And fear leeds to the Dark Side. Wait... never mind...

Dane
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Bwahahahaha, love it.
Mr. Trend
 
 
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  • Jul 17, 2006 10:00pm Jul 17, 2006 10:00pm
  •  MoneyMa$ter
  • | Joined May 2006 | Status: Member | 1,043 Posts
Quoting great*dane
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If somebody trades news, and there is a day without news, then they just don't trade. ....Trading just because you don't wan't to miss a day is not a good reason.

Dane
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Yes ohWiseONE.

'Tis a good day to muse, that day without news. Anonymous.

Just information; not a recommendation. :-)
 
 
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  • Edited Jul 18, 2006 1:33am Jul 17, 2006 11:48pm | Edited Jul 18, 2006 1:33am
  •  turbokaos
  • | Joined Jul 2006 | Status: Will take it all off for Pips! | 1,105 Posts
Can you trade the news? No & Yes<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o></o>

<o></o>

The reason why I say no is because anyone trading with any decent size equity is going to be trading on an institutional platform. IE: currenex or hotspotfxi just to name a few. Normally there is about 180mil going threw the Euro alone. but right before any news / fundamental release that volume drops down to almost nothing because all the banks pull their bid/offers. hence making it almost untradeable on an institutional platform. I will do a screen shot of my live hotspotfxi account before and after the next major release.<o></o>

<o></o>

The reason I say yes is because there are a few platforms that are still filling orders during these releases and it is funny when I see all the post about trading the news because I get the impression that they have stumbled across the holey grail...lol Usually what ends up happening is you make a lot of pips fast and start to add more leverage on to your trades with doing so it will only take one bad trade to wipe your account out.

<o></o>

In my opinion you really don’t need a news feed cause after trading the news just for a few weeks you have seen plenty of better or worst than expected numbers come out and seen the market go the other way.

I think the key is making sure limits and stops get filled.

<o></o>
I know Oanda is still letting you place limit/entry order 1min before a release. I say if you want to trade the news use small leverage set an entry order 1min before any news expecting volatility maybe 6 to 10 pips away on both sides with a 5pip stop and as the mkt goes in your favor just bring in your pips maybe in 1/2s or 1/4s. don’t for get to cancel the other side of the trade.

<o></o>
Keep in mind this is nothing new and you use to be able to do this all day at FXCM and GAIN. Ask anyone they’ll tell you there sites use to say: No slippage on market orders & Guaranteed fills on stop loss and limits orders. Now all you can find is Fixed 3 pip spreades** (maintains fixed spreads during normal market conditions.) LOL<o></o>

<o></o>

<o></o>

turbo
 
 
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  • Jul 17, 2006 11:57pm Jul 17, 2006 11:57pm
  •  Mr Trend
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Quoting turbokaos
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Can you trade the news? No & Yes<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o></o>

<o></o>

The reason why I say no is because anyone trading with any decent size equity is going to be trading on an institutional platform. IE: currenex or hotspotfxi just to name a few. Normally there is about 180mil going threw the Euro alone. but right before any news / fundamental release that volume drops down to almost nothing because all the banks pull their bid/offers. hence making it almost untradeable on an institutional platform. I will do a screen shot of my live hotspotfxi account before and after the next major release.<o></o>

<o></o>

The reason I say yes is because there are a few platforms that are still filling orders during these releases and it is funny when I see all the post about trading the news because I get the impression that they have stumbled across the holey grail...lol Usually what ends up happening is you make a lot of pips fast and start to add more leverage on to your trades with doing so it will only take one bad trade to wipe your account out.

<o></o>

In my opinion you really don’t need a news feed cause after trading the news just for a few weeks you have seen plenty of better or worst than expected numbers come out and seen the market go the other way.

<o></o>

I think the key is making sure limits and stops get filled.

<o></o>

I know www.oanda.com is still letting you place limit/entry order 1min before a release. I say if you want to trade the news use small leverage set an entry order 1min before any news expecting volatility maybe 6 to 10 pips away on both sides with a 5pip stop and as the mkt goes in your favor just bring in your pips maybe in 1/2s or 1/4s. don’t for get to cancel the other side of the trade.

<o></o>

<o></o>

Keep in mind this is nothing new and you use to be able to do this all day at FXCM and GAIN. Ask anyone they’ll tell you there sites you to say: No slippage on market orders & Guaranteed fills on stop loss and limits orders. Now all you can find is Fixed 3 pip spreades** (maintains fixed spreads during normal market conditions.) LOL<o></o>

<o></o>

<o></o>

turbo
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I guess I miss your point turbo...
Mr. Trend
 
 
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  • Jul 18, 2006 12:26am Jul 18, 2006 12:26am
  •  turbokaos
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Quoting Mr Trend
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I guess I miss your point turbo...
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LOL my point is just becareful when trading the news you don't want to get blown out of the game.


turbo
 
 
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  • Jul 18, 2006 12:49am Jul 18, 2006 12:49am
  •  Darkstar
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Quoting turbokaos
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The reason why I say no is because anyone trading with any decent size equity is going to be trading on an institutional platform. IE: currenex or hotspotfxi just to name a few. Normally there is about 180mil going threw the Euro alone. but right before any news / fundamental release that volume drops down to almost nothing because all the banks pull their bid/offers. hence making it almost untradeable on an institutional platform. I will do a screen shot of my live hotspotfxi account before and after the next major release.
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I'm sorry, how large is your yacht exactly?

Trading 10 lots for 35 pips on 10 events will yield 35 large in a month. Even if you miss half the move and get slipped for another 10 pips, there is still plently of room to half-ass an exit and get 35 pips. If Hotspot can't find you a measly $1mil in liquidity, maybe you should go shopping for another ECN...
 
 
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  • Jul 18, 2006 1:09am Jul 18, 2006 1:09am
  •  turbokaos
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Quoting Darkstar
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I'm sorry, how large is your yacht exactly?

Trading 10 lots for 35 pips on 10 events will yield 35 large in a month. Even if you miss half the move and get slipped for another 10 pips, there is still plently of room to half-ass an exit and get 35 pips. If Hotspot can't find you a measly $1mil in liquidity, maybe you should go shopping for another ECN...
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Sorry darkstar not sure what platform your trading on but slippage isn't the problem. Right before the release the bid/ask some times widens 20/40 pips. Not worth the risk on hotspot so I don't trade the news on that.


That why I say no & yes. Just sharing my personal expericne and opinion


turbo
 
 
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  • Jul 18, 2006 2:30am Jul 18, 2006 2:30am
  •  Mr Trend
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Quoting turbokaos
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LOL my point is just becareful when trading the news you don't want to get blown out of the game.


turbo
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Amen to that brother.
Mr. Trend
 
 
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  • Jul 18, 2006 3:39am Jul 18, 2006 3:39am
  •  MoneyMa$ter
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Quoting turbokaos
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Can you trade the news? No & Yes<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o></o>

turbo
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Kaos,

Spoken like a true lawyer. And as they say, "On the other hand there is no holey grail."

Please. Let your yes be yes and your no be no. Otherwise you're just sitting on top of the fence, hedging or straddling so to speak. :-) Just making "no-yes", pronounced "noise".

Thanks Darkstar for the reality check. I just dropped my pencil and it fell....down, not up. So it looks like all's well in the universe.
 
 
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  • Jul 18, 2006 6:08am Jul 18, 2006 6:08am
  •  jonas
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Quoting great*dane
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If somebody trades news, and there is a day without news, then they just don't trade. That's one of the first things I learned in forex - you don't have to be in the market constantly, and it is not wise to get into trades just to be there. I feel very strong about trading only if you have a good reason. Trading just because you don't wan't to miss a day is not a good reason.

Dane
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Tq for the explaination. I'm not in that highly dicipline yet ... because i'm still new... my hand feel itchi everytime i open my trading system.
Look like most of us agreed that trading the news is more "profitable" compare to TA. But why people create a lot of indi/oscillator and really concerntrate and dicipline to their indi to generate a profit? it is they realize that trading the news is more profitable?
 
 
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  • Jul 18, 2006 6:09am Jul 18, 2006 6:09am
  •  jonas
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Quoting MoneyMa$ter
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Kaos,

Spoken like a true lawyer. And as they say, "On the other hand there is no holey grail."

Please. Let your yes be yes and your no be no. Otherwise you're just sitting on top of the fence, hedging or straddling so to speak. :-) Just making "no-yes", pronounced "noise".

Thanks Darkstar for the reality check. I just dropped my pencil and it fell....down, not up. So it looks like all's well in the universe.
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Practically agreed! YES|NO.... i'm not in the middle too..
 
 
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  • Jul 18, 2006 7:28am Jul 18, 2006 7:28am
  •  JosTheelen
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What can you do in days like today, with more news. First PPI, then TIC-reports and then a Fed-governor who speaks. And tomorrow first the CPI-data and then Bernanke testifying for the senate. All news-items that can move the market a lot.

Are the movements of the first news the same as normal or are they much less, because traders know that there is more to come?
 
 
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  • Jul 18, 2006 9:19am Jul 18, 2006 9:19am
  •  jlowder
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Quoting MoneyMa$ter
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Please. Let your yes be yes and your no be no. Otherwise you're just sitting on top of the fence, hedging or straddling so to speak. :-) Just making "no-yes", pronounced "noise".
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Did you manage to pull anything out of that lousy PPI? This was one of the major news events you trade, right?

If you did actually turn a profit, could you explain your steps?

Thanks.

J
 
 
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