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Imagine this World

  • #1
  • First Post: Jul 16, 2006 7:24am Jul 16, 2006 7:24am
Imagine this world, where world derivative prices react to world geopolitical economic events. Various institutions profit from creating chaos in different parts of the world.

It is quite uncanny to see a an orchestrated event/events being played out. Ask yourself whos benefitting from derivative prices at certain levels. Ask yourself who in the know, close to the event, tips off the large trading houses hrs in advance of the event hitting public newswires.
Price is the only indicator.
  • #2
  • Jul 16, 2006 8:01am Jul 16, 2006 8:01am
That's why technical analyst purist believe everything is built into price. i.e. insiders will be buying into something ->demand increase -> price goes up.

Although most geo-political conspiricy thieories end up being just that - theories, which are are product of their creator / believer's bias.

SilverB
In trading you are only as smart as your dumbest mistake. - Ralph Vince
  • #3
  • Jul 16, 2006 10:32am Jul 16, 2006 10:32am
Every time one of these events occurs the SEC examines the trading records and communication logs relating to all participants that derived large profits as a result. If they believe there is even the slightest chance that you knew in advance of those events they confiscate your winnings until a thorough investigation is completed.

Back on Sept.11, it was found that several terrorist organizations had shorted airline stock a week or so prior to the attack. The millions of $ that they made was all confiscated...
  • #4
  • Jul 16, 2006 12:49pm Jul 16, 2006 12:49pm
there is no world authority similar to the sec..there are lots of ways of getting around this.

examine the photo of the israeli navy ship that was supposedly hit by a iranian missile. Unless the missile can dive down and hit near water level.
Price is the only indicator.
  • #5
  • Jul 16, 2006 1:20pm Jul 16, 2006 1:20pm
There is already a world which you are talking about.

The Conference of the secretive Bilderberg group. Contacts within group and at the Brookstreet hotel leaked an exclusive full list of Bilderberg attendees to us.

more info here...

WHO'S WHO

Some of the more prominent attendees at this year's conclave at the Brookstreet:

GEORGE ALOGOSKOUFIS, finance minister of Greece.

Ahmad Chalabi, former deputy prime minister of Iraq.

George David, chairman of Coca-Cola.

Paul Desmarais, CEO of Power Corporation.

Richard Holbrooke, U.S. foreign policy advisor.

Vernon Jordan, friend and onetime aide to Bill Clinton.

Henry Kissinger, advisor to U.S. presidents (a regular participant).

Bernardino Leon Gross, Spain's foreign minister.

Ronald S. Lloyd, chairman of Credit Suisse First Boston.

Frank McKenna, former New Brunswick premier, former ambassador to the U.S. and deputy chair of the Toronto Dominion Bank (a regular participant).

Queen Beatrix of the Netherlands, whose father started the meetings (a regular participant).

Gordon Nixon, president and CEO of the Royal Bank of Canada.

George Pataki, governor of New York state.

Richard Perle, senior foreign policy adviser to U.S. President George W. Bush and an architect of the war in Iraq (a regular participant).

Heather Reisman, chairwoman and CEO of Indigo Books and Music Inc.

David Rockefeller, retired banker, heir to Rockefeller oil fortune (regular participant).

Dennis B. Ross, former Clinton Mideast negotiator.

James Wolfensohn, U.S. Mideast envoy, former head of the World Bank.

OUT IN THE OPEN'

- The Bilderberg group, a highly secretive annual gathering of some of the world's most powerful people, was founded in 1954 by Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands, ostensibly to foster better transatlantic understanding and co-operation through frank discussion. The group takes it name from the hotel in Holland where the group first met.

- They have no website and make few official statements but meet under extreme security, usually at the most luxurious five-star resorts in Europe and North America.

- Invited guests usually number around 120, and include European royalty, presidents, prime ministers and top global economic and foreign policy figures, academics, media moguls and others.

- Critics say they are a shadow government, the real power that transcends politics and national governments, who pick politicians and control key posts, decide macroeconomic events and when and where wars will take place.

- Their aim, critics say, is a new world order, one world government, one religion, elimination of national boundaries and governments and complete control of finance, energy, natural resources, and production and distribution of goods and services.
  • #6
  • Jul 16, 2006 2:33pm Jul 16, 2006 2:33pm
I don't think its at that level of degree of control of world events. Its quite hard to nudge events along different lines of progression. Things can get out of hand.

The asian flu/and other virulent outbreaks are a result of a government agency experimenting with biotech spread progression patterns.

Have you noticed how conveniently you would have a refinery explode in the gulf of mexico whenever oil reached technical level of support. It happened more then a few times.

There was a chance of real peace with the turn of the century. The only problem was the russian threat of national breakdown. Russia needed a adrenaline shot, and it came as the result of 'war on terror'. Russia was bailed out with elevated oil prices. Its hard currency reserves are at the highest levels now.

So you have to ask yourself who benefits when things happen in the world. Some of the answers you find can be quite unsavory.
Price is the only indicator.
  • #7
  • Jul 16, 2006 2:50pm Jul 16, 2006 2:50pm
If it's so easy for all these clandestine organizations to manipulate the world, and your smart enough to see through their lies and deceit, why are you telling us about it? Why don't you get a couple friends together and take over the world for yourselves?
  • #8
  • Jul 16, 2006 3:00pm Jul 16, 2006 3:00pm
Quoting Spectre2006
there is no world authority similar to the sec..there are lots of ways of getting around this.

examine the photo of the israeli navy ship that was supposedly hit by a iranian missile. Unless the missile can dive down and hit near water level.
Why exactly should I give a crap if some cave dweller in Afganistan earns a couple extra million rubles blowing up a bus in India?
  • #9
  • Jul 16, 2006 5:04pm Jul 16, 2006 5:04pm
my god....conspiracy theories....maybe forex is a conspiracy theory aswell invented by aliens to try and manipulate all worlds currencies....

i think these posts should go to a proper conspiracy theory website where lunatics with too much free time in their hands all around the world talk about things like that....
  • #10
  • Jul 16, 2006 5:04pm Jul 16, 2006 5:04pm
Quoting Darkstar
If it's so easy for all these clandestine organizations to manipulate the world, and your smart enough to see through their lies and deceit, why are you telling us about it? Why don't you get a couple friends together and take over the world for yourselves?
What I've always wondered is that if these global conspirators are so smart and able to manipulate the entire world to get what they want, how is it that some guy on the internet was able to figure it all out. If that's the case, they're pretty crappy conspirators who can't even hide things from internet nutjobs.
  • #11
  • Jul 16, 2006 5:18pm Jul 16, 2006 5:18pm
The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist
Try hard, think fast, die young
  • #12
  • Jul 16, 2006 5:18pm Jul 16, 2006 5:18pm
Quoting Purple
There is already a world which you are talking about.

The Conference of the secretive Bilderberg group. Contacts within group and at the Brookstreet hotel leaked an exclusive full list of Bilderberg attendees to us.

more info here...

WHO'S WHO

Some of the more prominent attendees at this year's conclave at the Brookstreet:

GEORGE ALOGOSKOUFIS, finance minister of Greece.

Ahmad Chalabi, former deputy prime minister of Iraq.

George David, chairman of Coca-Cola.

Paul Desmarais, CEO of Power Corporation.

Richard Holbrooke, U.S. foreign policy advisor.

Vernon Jordan, friend and onetime aide to Bill Clinton.

Henry Kissinger, advisor to U.S. presidents (a regular participant).

Bernardino Leon Gross, Spain's foreign minister.

Ronald S. Lloyd, chairman of Credit Suisse First Boston.

Frank McKenna, former New Brunswick premier, former ambassador to the U.S. and deputy chair of the Toronto Dominion Bank (a regular participant).

Queen Beatrix of the Netherlands, whose father started the meetings (a regular participant).

Gordon Nixon, president and CEO of the Royal Bank of Canada.

George Pataki, governor of New York state.

Richard Perle, senior foreign policy adviser to U.S. President George W. Bush and an architect of the war in Iraq (a regular participant).

Heather Reisman, chairwoman and CEO of Indigo Books and Music Inc.

David Rockefeller, retired banker, heir to Rockefeller oil fortune (regular participant).

Dennis B. Ross, former Clinton Mideast negotiator.

James Wolfensohn, U.S. Mideast envoy, former head of the World Bank.

OUT IN THE OPEN'

- The Bilderberg group, a highly secretive annual gathering of some of the world's most powerful people, was founded in 1954 by Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands, ostensibly to foster better transatlantic understanding and co-operation through frank discussion. The group takes it name from the hotel in Holland where the group first met.

- They have no website and make few official statements but meet under extreme security, usually at the most luxurious five-star resorts in Europe and North America.

- Invited guests usually number around 120, and include European royalty, presidents, prime ministers and top global economic and foreign policy figures, academics, media moguls and others.

- Critics say they are a shadow government, the real power that transcends politics and national governments, who pick politicians and control key posts, decide macroeconomic events and when and where wars will take place.

- Their aim, critics say, is a new world order, one world government, one religion, elimination of national boundaries and governments and complete control of finance, energy, natural resources, and production and distribution of goods and services.
if u beleive all that...what more to say? and by the way GEORGE ALOGOSKOUFIS? what? what kind of power does that little man has to belong to such an elite club...and why not Mr Bush himself isnt a member?with his history he shoud be the leader.....

but anyway conspiracy theories are funny and boy dont we need a laugh in todays world?
  • #13
  • Jul 16, 2006 5:26pm Jul 16, 2006 5:26pm
its another way of curve fitting in a 4 dimensional world. If the model works better then others, than use it.. if it doesn't throw it away.
Price is the only indicator.
  • #14
  • Jul 16, 2006 5:31pm Jul 16, 2006 5:31pm
Quoting lindamartinfx
if u beleive all that...what more to say? and by the way GEORGE ALOGOSKOUFIS? what? what kind of power does that little man has to belong to such an elite club...and why not Mr Bush himself isnt a member?with his history he shoud be the leader.....

but anyway conspiracy theories are funny and boy dont we need a laugh in todays world?
You don't have to be big as Arnold to have power. And about Bush... nevermind ( http://gonzoc.no.sapo.pt/black.htm )
Try hard, think fast, die young
  • #15
  • Jul 16, 2006 5:45pm Jul 16, 2006 5:45pm
Quoting dof
You don't have to be big as Arnold to have power. And about Bush... nevermind ( http://gonzoc.no.sapo.pt/black.htm )

hehehe that was a good one!!!!
  • #16
  • Jul 17, 2006 5:49pm Jul 17, 2006 5:49pm
So are tornados, hurricans & tsunamis included in our engineered world as well??? Remember when exactly the Katrina Hurricane hit the gulf of Mexico, it was hitting it while oil is making new highs...Oil was already abover the $60 at that time & cleared the $70s by the time the hurricane hit the refineries...Was this a pre-defined hurricane to push oil prices higher & for some people to benefit or what??

Come on, let's be realistic, events do happen randomly, it's either you are on the right side of the market or on the wrong side at that time, so you either make a big fortune or lose one...You don't actually initiate a war which will cost you around $100 M dollars for 30 days in order to make some $50 M profits from oil or gold markets...


Thanks,

Nader
  • #17
  • Jul 17, 2006 6:20pm Jul 17, 2006 6:20pm
Quote
- Critics say they are a shadow government, the real power that transcends politics and national governments, who pick politicians and control key posts, decide macroeconomic events and when and where wars will take place.
This is the only reason I would vote for Hilary in 2008 - She's uncontrollable

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- Their aim, critics say, is a new world order, one world government, one religion, elimination of national boundaries and governments and complete control of finance, energy, natural resources, and production and distribution of goods and services.

"But yes I think it can be very easily done
We'll just put some bleachers out in the sun
And have it on Highway 61." Bob Dylan

In trading, there is no bullshit. You either make money or you don't.
  • #18
  • Jul 17, 2006 6:31pm Jul 17, 2006 6:31pm
Not all conspiracy theories are crap. We all stood by while adolf hitler crapped on germany. After that it wasn't a conspiracy it was fact. No one was laughing then. He was well into his plans long before he actually invaded Poland.

It's like forex - some people are bullish, some are bearish but the moving average shows the result - I recommend a 144 EMA.
  • #19
  • Jul 17, 2006 6:34pm Jul 17, 2006 6:34pm
I wasn't joking about Hilary the last thing the Bilderberg group would want is her in office. I might get a bumper sticker made up " Screw Bilderberg adn Vote Hilary"
In trading, there is no bullshit. You either make money or you don't.
  • #20
  • Jul 17, 2006 8:53pm Jul 17, 2006 8:53pm
As a Conspiracy Factualist, it's true, all true..

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