List of sellers refusing to give proof

such privileges should be revoked ASAP

This development is very sad,

1 year and 100 post's more gives you seniority over someone.

You are senior over anyone who joined after Feb 08 and has under 1257 post's.

from genius line maker mr techfan1128, Accurate Zones For Day Trading Futures and Currencies

"I haven't seen a whole lot of interest in this thread anymore. Please let me know if you guys find use for the thread. If you do not, I'll close up shop on this thread.."

wow what surprise thread number 8 - FAIL! maybe thread 9 new methods soon!

i was right all time. you are listeing to sound of own voice on those home made videos u posting with no proof you can trade. no one any interest in that so now you will close. go sell the lines on ebay people will bid $5 for them . u just made the lie about 25 subscription. in real life u have big fat ZERO. maybe stick to selling newspaper.

after 5 requests still no proof of trading just words, words, then hold on, more words.

sgp

I'm suprised I haven't been thrown on here...heh heh heh. The thread could become useful with thoughtful direction.............but as for how to filter out genuine sources is almost impossible.

The only way would be actual live experiment with whatever product or service and see for yourself and bring the feedback to the thread with proof almost like a review/watch dog type of thing. Otherwise it's just useless chatter and anyone could be put on the "non credible list"........As for the verified proof part......If you can't back up what you're saying then you're losing points. So far your motive speaks for itself in the subject of thread.

Keep up the good work

I am incredibly confused. You mentioned that it was "so hard to find a mentor on here" but then you literally spit hatred towards everyone who is selling something? It has been mentioned to you before, very few professional traders post on here. Everyone here already KNOWS that paying someone for calls or a system is the dumbest and LAZIEST thing you can do as a trader.

You know what makes you a good trader? Screen time. Risk Management. Collaboration. And not being a dick.

Based on your 25 posts about broker misquotes, you have not put much time into this endeavor. When you actually start posting charts that have benefit to this community, I think it is fair enough to say you probably won't have to ignore half of the people who respond to your comments.

Other than cause trouble, what exactly is it you are trying to do here sgp? I thought the whole point of a forum was to contribute.

I haven't posted in years but I had to say something. Everything you type is unnecessary and rude.

There isn't "Like" button here, so I have to type +1.
Well said, HoyPip.

Not sure how much the vendors is payign you for the testimonials but if you want to throw the money in dustbin some don't. no big problem in askign fro teh proof if you have issue stay in your long years break from here you are not needed.

sgp

It's simple. If these guys who are selling signals made as many pips as they claim, as consistantly as they claim then they wouldn't need your money! simple as that.

sgpbufet, I see you posted on Horlique2 thread asking for proof. Any cynicism there and you will be banded from posting on the thread like I was lol.

5. lovejoy80 - LJ Forex Group, thetradersguild.co.uk

Added. guy banned me 4 askign 4 proof. no response even cherging £275 on website for some price action coruse, joker.

sgp

Great thread keep it up

Never pay for a forex service you can get amazing results for free in many cases.

If you do want to buy a product or service get results from a third party on live funds or you are simply throwing your hard earned money way !

Keep chugging along mate...........I look forward to see the list grow. Hopefully you will become the source for 1st level clearance for credibility on FF........I would like to see that happen. And FF had better make it official soon or the users will......

I think Sgpbufet has 100% right . It is the right of every customer to ask his provider the proof or something that convince the customer . If some one has something for sale , he should has a proof or positive feedback for his product . I don't know why some commercial members is not responsible to their customers at all !! asking for a proof or something like that is so easy , if you are smart in your JOB , so you should give proof to your customers . It is the basic element of each business in the world ... CUSTOMERS only can trust you by your PROOF ...

Keep your JOB my friend .

Good Luck
Arastoo

Added to list:

6. ochuko - Simple Market Flow Trading System, http://forexrescue.com/
http://www.forexfactory.com/showthre...29#post7285029

Guy banned me for asking some question abou this scam website forexrescue.com

sgp

TPOTrader did you no harm yet you go to his thread to kick him when he is down. What's going on with you?

Added to list:

1. Ifmyante - ReadtheMarket - Supply and Demand with Price Action www.readthemarket.com

i ask for simple explorer his response: "I chose not to be a trader. I opted instead to train people to be the best traders in the world."

sgp

ur lying now

this is another respond he wrote:


just give him anumber that will satisfied u, whats the problem?? hes gonna fail for sure isnt it???

fwiw im a member @ RTM for few months now, and i cant put into words what a nice comunity they made there. prob now its time for them to make some money, whats the problem???

This is what I have seen since I began trading in the '80s:

1) Famous Indicator/System Developers - bought a book from one of these famous people (who invented widely used indicators back in the day) because he promised a money back guarantee if anybody could prove that his system didn't work. His 'system' was a complete load of hindsight crap, based on very nebulous 'cycles', which shifted in length constantly. I proved it to be useless with a statistical analysis of his own description of the method, but when I spoke with him he refused to 'agree' that I had proven him wrong. So I did not receive a refund for the Delta System book. Oops, I said the name of the product and now you know who I am talking about. And now you know that even famous system developers are mostly conmen.

2) Non-famous Developers Who Don't Have Trading Capital - there are a few people who do have the real insights and who make good products, but who lack the capital (so far) to directly use their own system. For a brief while, they sell their technology so that they can make enough capital to live off of trading alone. Then, they stop selling their products. Find these people while you can - they will save you years of frustration. These people are rather rare, and usually end up disappearing when their trading account gets big enough.

3) Developers Who Don't Know Anything - Lots of people are really good at selling stuff. The 'stuff', in particular, doesn't really matter to them. This group accounts for 95% of all developers. Useless fluff that distracts you for a while until you realize that the new idea you are so excited about actually is really very stupid and doesn't work.

If you don't do the math and develop your own indicators and systems you will not have any way to tell if you are being ripped off or not on somebody else's technology. Even live trading results are not conclusive. "Past performance is no guarantee of future results", right? THERE IS NO WAY TO PROVE THAT A SYSTEM WORKS IN THE FUTURE. So you have to know enough about indicator and system design to have any clue about what to expect.

Don't expect that a product will turn you into a trader. The tools help a lot, but they can't do it for you.
Disbelieve conventional wisdom.
Remember that you have about a 50% chance of making money on every trade, so if you are losing consistently you should consider doing the opposite of whatever you have been doing. If you have been systematically wrong, then just do the opposite. Crazy, huh?

SGP, put your negative energy to constructive use. Trading is very tough and much of the hard work is mindset. Your negative mindset will only drag yourself down further.

If you wonder around looking for a an easy quick fix to trading you will get dissapointed. Learn about how the markets work and avoid systems. There are plenty of free resources on the web and one or two good discussions here on FF. A better understanding will then lead you to an appropriate technique to analyzing the markets. You then make the technique your own.

Unfortunately I don't have the honor to be in the list.