List of sellers refusing to give proof

Reason for this thread is not for cause any problems i want to help the peoples here avoid getting tricked into spending money on the guys pretending to be real trader but are really only interested in TAKING YOUR MONEY. They are making the THOUSANDS every year like normal salary from YOU selling the services. no problem with this IF THEY ARE REAL TRADER WITH VERIFIED PROOF. no problem.


problem is when i am politely asking these peoples for their verified explorer/trading statement or similar so i can make the decision they are banning me, insulting me, telling me i am here to cause trouble and i should go away and trade my losing account or i am simply looking for quick profit!


what sort of reaction is this? makes me very suspicious they are hiding something and most likely just making the money from selling subscription not from actual trading. can customer not ask for proof they are REAL trader before wasting hard earned dollars. takes 1 minute to upload the statement yet they happy to spend the hours posting and arguing with me and collecting your subscriptions in paypal or other. something is not sounding right here.


here is list of people so far i have asked and they make all the excuses so i think there is much doubt about if they are the real trader only here to make good living from taking your money:

1. Ifmyante - ReadtheMarket - Supply and Demand with Price Action
http://www.forexfactory.com/showthre...93#post7303193
Has to be guy giving most crazy answers for no show of proof: "I chose not to be a trader. I opted instead to train people to be the best traders in the world." too funny. charging 10 thosuand EUROS for his course. crazy. pure scam.


2. strat - Strat's Long Term Stress Free Trading / Strats Forex Trading
http://www.forexfactory.com/showthre...38#post7222838
making many excuses for not providing any verified proofs. just posting pictures all day. just posted on his thread in his own words " "The more these miserable negative nellies post, the more inquiries I get which leads to MORE MEMBERS signing up". Amazing counting the fees already from members. scam.


3. beeb - Coghlan Capital .com
http://www.forexfactory.com/showthre...61#post7222061
banned me for asking basic question and making many excuses for his copy and pasted past performance pages. refusing to provide any proofs. scam.


4. Daddy Bear Forex - Euro Yen Institute
http://www.forexfactory.com/showthre...77#post7222977
again many excuses. time to post 100 times a day here no time to show any proof of trading only excuses. scam.


5. lovejoy80 - LJ Forex Group, thetradersguild.co.uk
http://www.forexfactory.com/showthread.php?t=288707
banned me 4 asking the simple request for trading proof verify. running the scam charging £275 course feed for nothing. scam.


6. ochuko - Simple Market Flow Trading System, http://forexrescue.com/
http://www.forexfactory.com/showthre...29#post7285029
banned me asking the simple request for trading proof verify. running the scam charging $200 course feed for nothing. scam.


7. techfan1128 - Accurate Zones For Day Trading Futures and Currencies
http://www.forexfactory.com/showthre...08#post7222208
made 7 threads here on FF posting all different indicators! now selling for money many excuses and banned me for asking for proofs. just started EIGHTH thread here accusing me of slander LOL. time to start 8 threads no time to post some trading statement in 1 minute. amazing. scam.

when you PAYING the good hard earned money for any service you expect person in any industry to provide the real verified proof they are the REAL DEAL. Would you buy $1000 TV from random man in street just because he says "don't worry sirs trust me look here is testimonials trust me just take my word for it ask my friends i will be back in 1 hour with your TV just pay me now and wait here for me". NO exactly you woudl ask for the verified working TV first before payment. why are they getting so angry with me it seem strange to me. no doubt they will complain or try to ban me but i am not here for trouble i just want people to be careful about what they hand over teh money for everyone have right to ask for some proof of profitability no crime there not sure which forum rules is breaking there. the sellers don;t like it becuase they are hiding something.


as soon as they provide teh verified proof i will apologise and remove them from lists. please if you have anymore to add to this list and you have asked for verified explorer or statement but been refused please post here i will add to list. it is time we stopped letting them charge money with no evidence they are trading profits themselves. i am not here to pay someones salary for living.


NEVER PAY MONIES TO ANYONE UNLESS THEY PROVIDE YOU VERIFIED PROOF THEY ARE PROFITABLE TRADER. If they making the excuses do not be fooled most likely they are just after your money and after one year you will be back to the square one and seller will be richer because you paid for his salary.


plenty of free good education here on FF costing nothing - if they are charging you then they need to provide proof they are making the money from trading themself.


by the way do not allow excuse account is incompatible. many 3rd party site now offer compatible with all platforms and so what anyway? if it is not compatible use some of the 1000s dollars they are making from the subscriptions to start new mt4 account with 500 bucks and link it to explorer and let's see them trade the advice they are giving right. very reasonable request.


sgp

they're all scammers.

but look i'm the only honest one here. Check my performance! :


Nov 2012: $20, 000
Dec 2012: $12,000
Jan 2013 to date: -$99


so far so good. january is a tough month, but as you can see, i'm very good at money management and keeping my losses small and letting profits run.

lol

Anyone who's a commercial member needs their LIVE performance verified by third party. Otherwise..fuck em all!

I personally never used any payed services, but if I had to, I would ask basic thing which is trading proof, but again there can be many reasons why some body is not brining the explorer, may be they dont use mt4? may be the strategy involves which cant be make public? may be some other reasons?

there are so many other 3rd party performance verification that's not related to mt4.

congrats on the verified proof by the way you are honest gentleman. by the way i do not agree on the mt4 issue because many 3rd party site now offer compatible with all platforms and so what anyway? if it is not compatible use some of the 1000s they are making from the subscriptions to start new mt4 account with 500 bucks and link it to explorer and let's see them trade the advice they are giving right?

exactly. again congrats on results and verified performance.

look this guy techfan1128, Accurate Zones For Day Trading Futures and Currencies already spent time to start thread about me calling me slander LOL. http://www.forexfactory.com/showthread.php?t=467254

so now because i am askign for some verified proof this is slander. he can simply spend one minute to upload teh proof instead he wants to start thred about me. says it all really. guilty written all over it thank you techfan. he is feeling pressure now because his salary from fees is affected.

and amazing already advice from strat, Strat's Long Term Stress Free Trading :http://www.forexfactory.com/showthre...25#post7223325


strat is saying "The more these miserable negative nellies post, the more inquiries I get which leads to MORE MEMBERS signing up - leave him to wallow in his misery along with all his other miserable friends is what I say."

guy is already counting how much salary he will earn from the subscriptions said it himself. WOW simply amazing that he is admiting it so openly. i am simply posting what strat just said himself.

sgp

Sgpbufet

First let me say that i have no view on the threads you mentioned as to the value if any in the products ie: do they work, are they scams etc.

but I think you are expecting too much..... You are requesting a verified trading account and going crazy when they don't show one. Now it may tick your box to see such a thing but it is by no means compulsory or even common, and there are many companies and individuals around that teach but do not trade and other that trade but dont show goldman sachs etc come to mind, does that make them all scams? No of course it does not, no more than having a verified account proves their system works.....

it is up to you to decide what systems are credible or not and it is fair to ask information, but just because they say no it does make them instant crooks as you would imply.....

I would suggest that you ask your questions but if the answers do not agree then make your point and leave the thread instead of accusing everyone of being a scammer because they will not give you the proof you desire.....

and as I said at the beginning I have no view on the threads you have taken issue with, they could be scams for all I know but your approach helps nobody imo

regards

he the lonely fool

Not sure why you would include Ben from CoghlanCapital in there.. He doesn't even run a trading service..

The goal of those service is money. With a verified statement/explorer their sales grow tenfold.

Are they credible? A 10 year old can answer!

BTW, you forget to mention gurus james16

James 16...LOL ! I never bought into his thread but he is here since forever no ?

In my opinion he made people trade on monthly charts so he could milk his subscribers for as long as possible. The bigger the time frame
the longer people will take to realize that they are going nowhere.

I bet he is rich now....not from trading but from subscriptions.

I'm getting the feeling that this thread will be the start of the biggest scam to go down here. This new member just recently busted on to the scene pretty much breakin' everyone's balls and trying to put a hurtin' on whoever he can. Check for yourself. Negative post after negative post. This may be the launch of HIS trading business probably under another screen name. We shall see. This person has a very clear agenda. I don't like what I'm seeing here... just sayin'.

nice try mr techfan1128, Accurate Zones For Day Trading Futures and Currencies in disguise. so sad you have set up second name to fool people wow u will go to any lenths to argue and protect income from teh subscriptions but still u are refusing to prove ur lines with simple statement. never mind anyone who pays for this and believes your trick is the real loser.

oh i see you have changed all new thread http://www.forexfactory.com/showthread.php?t=467254 and posting some new stuff there like u go mad. typical reaction from trickster. again time to do all this but no time to post the statement, big warning bells for latest trick from losing trader. now u call latest thread "nothign to see here" that's what u should be calling all your threads . please continue teh arguments then peoples will see you are very defensive over very resonable request it is clear u have somethign to hide from us. typical sign of losing guy.

sgp

wake up pls. they run 3 live call services through the websites. https://coghlancapital.com/forex_trading

Hi sgpbufet,

You're quite right about those "traders" you refer.
But not only those, unfortunately is the vast majority of "traders" in here, and not only in the commercial section.

And it is not just because, someone showing or not proof of anything (although it helps) that are credible!!

Look at this recent example:
This "trader" (nv_trader) ... is an artist and he shows "proofs", but he is in the same category as the others mentioned above, the only diference is that he have another type of approach but the goal is the same.

I do not know who the quote is, but ... "There is more than one way to skin a cat"

Scammers just like viruses share the inability to exist without a host. So just don't give them your money.

It is that simple.

mr 003 sorry i am not agreeing with your approaches here. many peoples is thinkign i am here to cause the problems this is no the intentions here to accuse all peoples on whole forex site. this is wrong. maybe here on site is some good traders. i think you are making me look like i is the troublemaker.

- if persons showing informations for free outside commercial sections in other sections on website we should happy not sure why you are complaining about free informations. they are no charging so for me no issue i say this in post before. maybe you fell for some scam in past so you are accuse whole site lol.

- issue for this thread here is for the traders selling subscription for monies with no evidence of real trading, simples. when i am askign them they are going mad calling me a loser and getting very defensive and banning me so i strated thread.

if guy in the commercial sections showing some explorer or verified statement then we shoudl congratulate not also accuse again otherwise no point even visiting website here not sure what you are doing in this website. i am seeing some guys here like the TPOTrader and the mr Dark Force showing some evidence and i am wishing them lucks for longer history no need to accuse them also, seems strange.

let's stick to purposes of thread pls.

sgp.

requesting transparency and honesty from commercial members has got sgp "suspended by a senior member"

the "senior" member who applied the suspension will no doubt lose their privileges

suspension was uncalled, what rule has he break?asking question isn't crime here.

Probably someone from the James16 thread. They get really, really confrontational when you ask them to provide verified trading results.

Any "senior member" want to step up and tell everyone what rule was violated for the suspension??

So how does one get to be a senior member? Are they appointed by admins?