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  • #1,521
  • Jan 10, 2014 6:46pm Jan 10, 2014 6:46pm
Quoting Turveyd
{quote} That's why you should be paying more attention to me and ignoring the guru's which are trying so so so so hard to discredit me, that would eat into there selling services on the side business, don't you think. Why else are they SO SO SO SO set against me!! * p.s. it's took years of hard graft to get there, only been a few months from version 1 of the method and still going to take ages at the time I get free to trade and my tiny account to get to 20K obviously I'm perfected V1 since, millions are sadly not possible!! That's why I encourage...
Or but just for you to know that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.I myself and many others believe that even if an edge exists, its not a mostruous one, so by this logic a 80% winrate with 1:1 RR is impossible by definition.

You stating one thing, that you can trade like this is just pretty much unbelievable, if true, then i really have to reconsider my thinking about the markets, because it looks like its easier to trade then ever.

I really appreciate your advices and support, but with this statement i just simple cant agree, sorry ,its just too impossible to trade like this
"There's a sucker born every minute" - P.T. Barnum
  • #1,522
  • Jan 10, 2014 6:50pm Jan 10, 2014 6:50pm
Quoting Magix
{quote} Not entirely true, but close... You see, the one single trader who got me back into working with the grids, this year, has earned $28,000, by starting off with $10,000 in market and only working with one of the EAs that I co-authored. I have introduced my logic into the EAs by way of triggers and the TOG strategy as well as the TOE, but cannot claim all the work to be mine. Thus the co-authored. My point before, was that you can increase your gains by reducing your risk in trading in ranges that the grids will typically excel, which is the...

Yet again, you do not understand my method, it's too simple for you to accept, yet it works it's also not programmable as it does require market experience, it only gets you so far, no substitute for experience and hours spent watching charts IMHO!!

Difference between me and you is, I'm not going to bash something I don't understand or really accept, keep it up, hope you get there 1 day, but if you'd of gotten there already you'd be a much happier person wouldn't you!


Why don't we stop this stupid abuse and discuss our method's in a Professional Adult Manner, maybe we will learn something from each other, which is ofcourse the point of us being here!!
Nothing to it, but to do it!!! Stick to the plan FOOL!!!!
  • #1,523
  • Jan 10, 2014 6:50pm Jan 10, 2014 6:50pm
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} Thing is Prox, this guy has been told how to open a TE, and myfxbook supports his broker. He pretends that he is too busy, but does not have the fundamentals of keeping a clean trading house understood. So yes, he lies. I have already started building some longs because of price movement. But during retraces it is normal to go negative for a while until the market decides what it wants to do. EURUSD has done just over half of its average monthly range, so we should see something good here soon I hope. Have you put together some rules for...
I hope he can prove his statement, i would be very interested in a 80% system

As for my pattern, i really think i should concentrate myself on the volatility, thats the only quantifiable variable that we need to concentrade ourselves on, the size of the volatility or the candle size could determine the chance of pullback, so there could be an edge improvement there.
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  • #1,524
  • Jan 10, 2014 6:52pm Jan 10, 2014 6:52pm
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} You stated you are hobby trader, so that's fine. All I ask for is stats Turv, and if yours are good, then the rest speaks for itself. No one is against you. But if you make claims, all that is asked is that you back them up, that's all. I really have no animus towards you at all.

Truce in effect until then ??
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  • #1,525
  • Jan 10, 2014 6:56pm Jan 10, 2014 6:56pm
Quoting Proximus
{quote} Or but just for you to know that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.I myself and many others believe that even if an edge exists, its not a mostruous one, so by this logic a 80% winrate with 1:1 RR is impossible by definition. You stating one thing, that you can trade like this is just pretty much unbelievable, if true, then i really have to reconsider my thinking about the markets, because it looks like its easier to trade then ever. I really appreciate your advices and support, but with this statement i just simple cant...

I've been where you are man, I've been building a grail in my spare time for years, testing everything and the kitchen sink.

My method is there, I invite you to check it out, worse case you might actually learn something of use to you.


As said, you will need market timing experience to a reasonible level, not talking pip perfect but enough to keep yourself out of harms way.

I will post some charts for you, see if you can see what I see!!
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  • #1,526
  • Jan 10, 2014 7:01pm Jan 10, 2014 7:01pm
EJ downtrend, can you see any losers on this chart, obviously I don't trade over NFP which is that spike!!
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  • #1,527
  • Jan 10, 2014 7:05pm Jan 10, 2014 7:05pm
Quoting Turveyd
{quote} Truce in effect until then ??
There was never supposed to be a war.

You want discussion in a Professional Adult Manner, then stats are part of that. I opened my TE when I realized I was being hypocritical towards you, and found out that you can open up more than one TE from Magix. In the States you need two accounts to build a millipede.

Now, as far as M1 trading goes, if you can provide stats that are instructional, who knows, maybe we can ALL help build robust systems.

Think about it, a TE will shut up nubcake, and any other detractor you may have, because proof is in pudding.

We ARE in this together, Turv.
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
  • #1,528
  • Jan 10, 2014 7:06pm Jan 10, 2014 7:06pm
Quoting Turveyd
EJ downtrend, can you see any losers on this chart, obviously I don't trade over NFP which is that spike!! {image}
No, but that is hindsight. What matters is what we do on the hard right edge.
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
  • #1,529
  • Jan 10, 2014 7:07pm Jan 10, 2014 7:07pm
EU trade, don't trade EU action is too weak for the method really, only 2 entries called, both at the arrow's, SL as it's faster method using the yellows is outside the yellow dotted lines.

Risking 10pips for 50 on the first trade, then barely 10pips on the next trade.

Notice also the NFP if taken long, wouldn't of his my outside of the yellow SL point! Coincidence maybe ??



Still look like Spam ??
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  • #1,530
  • Jan 10, 2014 7:10pm Jan 10, 2014 7:10pm
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} There was never supposed to be a war. You want discussion in a Professional Adult Manner, then stats are part of that. I opened my TE when I realized I was being hypocritical towards you, and found out that you can open up more than one TE from Magix. In the States you need two accounts to build a millipede. Now, as far as M1 trading goes, if you can provide stats that are instructional, who knows, maybe we can ALL help build robust systems. Think about it, a TE will shut up nubcake, and any other detractor you may have, because proof is...

Nothing will shut up Nubs, he has some serious issues to get sorted out sadly, shame he could actually have a brain as I've stated before, but CLOSE minded hugely.

I'd love to understand, why / how my method works, it seems well TOO easy and anything easy worries me to, that's why I'm on a stat's board.


But an objective opinion, rather than a biased rant against me, would be more constructive.
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  • #1,531
  • Jan 10, 2014 7:12pm Jan 10, 2014 7:12pm
Quoting Turveyd
EU trade, don't trade EU action is too weak for the method really, only 2 entries called, both at the arrow's, SL as it's faster method using the yellows is outside the yellow dotted lines. Risking 10pips for 50 on the first trade, then barely 10pips on the next trade. Notice also the NFP if taken long, wouldn't of his my outside of the yellow SL point! Coincidence maybe ?? Still look like Spam ?? {image}
Kinda looks like Sonic R ( the original, not the crap tah is doing)
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
  • #1,532
  • Jan 10, 2014 7:13pm Jan 10, 2014 7:13pm
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} No, but that is hindsight. What matters is what we do on the hard right edge.

Obviously hindsight is easy, but those are real objective trades which the my method is going after, no I have not tweaked the MA's to get it to look like that, you can find the Template in my M15 thread, but I have added the yellow dots as my SL for faster trade setups since, just a Envelope 21sma hlc/3 0.14%.



Can I hold long enough to get 100% profit from them, HELL NO, only a scammer would claim that, but I get enough and my trust / patience is improving, I want MOST!!
Nothing to it, but to do it!!! Stick to the plan FOOL!!!!
  • #1,533
  • Jan 10, 2014 7:16pm Jan 10, 2014 7:16pm
Quoting Magix
{quote} Not entirely true, but close... You see, the one single trader who got me back into working with the grids, this year, has earned $28,000, by starting off with $10,000 in market and only working with one of the EAs that I co-authored. I have introduced my logic into the EAs by way of triggers and the TOG strategy as well as the TOE, but cannot claim all the work to be mine. Thus the co-authored. My point before, was that you can increase your gains by reducing your risk in trading in ranges that the grids will typically excel, which is the...

Thanks for the clarification. If you can crack it.......you would definitely deserve the Nobel FX prize
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
  • #1,534
  • Jan 10, 2014 7:17pm Jan 10, 2014 7:17pm
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} Kinda looks like Sonic R ( the original, not the crap tah is doing)

Not seen Sonic R, it's a pattern I spotted a few months back which testing another method, which worked after the fact, but to many fails live, taken me a few months to lock it down and optomise it, still working on how to trade it live, hence not that many live trades.


But I've locked on this method, 8 live trades on this version so far, no losers so it's looking promising!!
Nothing to it, but to do it!!! Stick to the plan FOOL!!!!
  • #1,535
  • Jan 10, 2014 7:19pm Jan 10, 2014 7:19pm
Quoting Turveyd
{quote} Obviously hindsight is easy, but those are real objective trades which the my method is going after, no I have not tweaked the MA's to get it to look like that, you can find the Template in my M15 thread, but I have added the yellow dots as my SL for faster trade setups since, just a Envelope 21sma hlc/3 0.14%. Can I hold long enough to get 100% profit from them, HELL NO, only a scammer would claim that, but I get enough and my trust / patience is improving, I want MOST!!
Since your system is not mechanical, what filters do you use?
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
  • #1,536
  • Jan 10, 2014 7:19pm Jan 10, 2014 7:19pm
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} Thanks for the clarification. If you can crack it.......you would definitely deserve the Nobel FX prize

Ahhh when your on ignore and you click View Post you don't see the TE I think, doh!!

Magix, maybe we can help each other, want to stop being Nub's little puppet, drop the BS and see if we can help each other ??
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  • #1,537
  • Jan 10, 2014 7:20pm Jan 10, 2014 7:20pm
Quoting Turveyd
Difference between me and you is, I'm not going to bash something I don't understand or really accept, keep it up, hope you get there 1 day, but if you'd of gotten there already you'd be a much happier person wouldn't you! Why don't we stop this stupid abuse and discuss our method's in a Professional Adult Manner, maybe we will learn something from each other, which is ofcourse the point of us being here!!
Turv...

This is exactly what you have spent your entire time in the thread doing...BASHING shit you have absolutely no IDEA about. If by chance you have suffered a concussion and perhaps damaged your Hippocampus, a simple review of your previous posts will be testimony to this exact fact.

Thing is...there is nothing to your system, but as you plainly stated, a subjective view of market. If you cannot define your system, you cannot claim statistics behind it. I am not saying that you haven't achieved 80% in your trading...but I am stating that you have no system other than something that allows trend recognition. The lines on your chart, much as I have stated a long time ago, are busy. They are confusing. But if this is what you need to see candles going up and down...hey, go nuts, but don't spout bullshit about it being a system.

Really, as far as we all know, and if we are willing to take you at word...you have only taken a single trade, and it was a win...state this over the last 3 weeks, now...and you have 100% success over the last 3 weeks...but is this of any value?

That's why I think that Wanker Smash is a complete fucktard. He claims to have a single trade that made him 1800%. If you read through his posts...he has had that up to 3500%. What does this tell you? That he is a coin toss trader? Or that he gambled, hit it right and missed an exit for the full 3500%?

Anyways...

All you had to do, to not fight with me, was to NOT start bullshit. A week after I left the thread, you had to openly accuse me, which you continue to do, of SCAMMING PEOPLE and being commercial...

ZERO is what you have for evidence, and there'd be no fight if wasn't for this.

I got tired of you and that other fuckstain MIKK in the stoploss coversation...Was only because that bitch died that you even moved on...

You are a troll...and this is exactly what you are doing here.

So, to quote jm and Nubs..
Quit playing the victim
&
Start getting smarter or quieter.

Without that, your bullshit will always be, not only inaccurate, but intolerable.
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  • #1,538
  • Jan 10, 2014 7:22pm Jan 10, 2014 7:22pm
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} Since your system is not mechanical, what filters do you use?

Don't use any filters, just experience, the part I can't teach, but it gets you a lot nearer to being profitable and if proven to work, it should make for a interesting discussion point and proof that the market most definately is far far far from random should it ( back on topic LOL )


GBPAUD is the best pair to use with it currently, then EJ!! GU and EU have there moments, NU is very nice also but the pip movements off NU have been very small recently sadly.
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  • #1,539
  • Jan 10, 2014 7:29pm Jan 10, 2014 7:29pm
Quoting Magix
{quote} Turv... This is exactly what you have spent your entire time in the thread doing...BASHING shit you have absolutely no IDEA about. If by chance you have suffered a concussion and perhaps damaged your Hippocampus, a simple review of your previous posts will be testimony to this exact fact. Thing is...there is nothing to your system, but as you plainly stated, a subjective view of market. If you cannot define your system, you cannot claim statistics behind it. I am not saying that you haven't achieved 80% in your trading...but I am stating...

Yet again, I'm no Troll, you've known me on here for years but prefer to accept Nub's screwed up opinion.

It's not BS, far far far far far from, you think it is, I suggest you keep your opinion to yourself, after all it is just an opinion and uneducated 1 at that.


You have not cracked Nedging long term correct ?? you may never ?? but your willing to post your theories as if there already cracked, are you yourself not talking BS until such time as you crack it ?? YES, so hypocrit much there ??

Sorry if I wrongly called you a scammer, I did check your thread, I see that donation money was never being seen by you, just the proof of a donation made, but you have to admit you do sound like a scammer!!


So keep your opinion to yourself, I haven't bashed your method, stay away from mine as we shall see!!



Shouldn't of threw your toys out of your pram and went on the troll should you!! Maybe next time PM me!!

Also had F all sleep the last 2weeks, 2 weeks to get a computer system for a important client finished, which really I'd need 6 weeks+ to develope, bad year!!

and it's 1:30am again, drattts!!
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  • #1,540
  • Jan 10, 2014 7:30pm Jan 10, 2014 7:30pm
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} Since your system is not mechanical, what filters do you use?

The definition of system here is being grossly abused...

THERE is NO system.

Quote
a set of principles or procedures according to which something is done; an organized scheme or method
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