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  • #41
  • Sep 5, 2013 1:36am Sep 5, 2013 1:36am
  •  FerruFx
  • Joined May 2007 | Status: MT4/MT5 EAs/Indicators/Alerts coder | 6,542 Posts | Online Now
Quoting vothienphu93
So I'm not sure that reversing a losing system is profitable or not. So we are here to figure it out.
This has been discussed (and proved) so many times here since many years. Reversing a losing strategy will never make it a profitable one.

A better idea would be to concentrate on elaborating a profitable method/system.
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  • #42
  • Sep 5, 2013 1:40am Sep 5, 2013 1:40am
Quoting TheGrind
{quote} I"m still not sure what you're getting at. This was your first post: I believe that a worst strategy could be turned into profitable one by a very simple trịck. I will prove it with you. Please: Do not share the martingale strategy or hedging strategy. I need a strategy with Stop Loss and Take Profit. Thank you so much. Maybe start 2 or 3 new threads? Because your latest posts have nothing to do with your original post.
ha ha, you don't understand why?

because if I share my strategy on this thread. This action will not suit with the primary purpose of this thread. The primary purpose of this thread is trying to prove the hypothesis " reversing a bad strategy is profitable or not ". That's why I told you if you want to know about my trading strategy. I have to start a new thread in the TRADING SYSTEM thread.

I'm sorry. Are you tired?
  • #43
  • Sep 5, 2013 1:43am Sep 5, 2013 1:43am
Quoting FerruFx
{quote} This has been discussed (and proved) so many times here since many years. Reversing a losing strategy will never make it a profitable one. A better idea would be to concentrate on elaborating a profitable method/system.
Just show me a negative edge system, perhaps I'm wrong. But I have to understand why I'm wrong.
Thank you
  • #44
  • Sep 5, 2013 1:47am Sep 5, 2013 1:47am
  •  FerruFx
  • Joined May 2007 | Status: MT4/MT5 EAs/Indicators/Alerts coder | 6,542 Posts | Online Now
Quoting vothienphu93
{quote} Just show me a negative edge system, perhaps I'm wrong. But I have to understand why I'm wrong. Thank you
Please don't take it personally ... But this has been proved so many times.
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  • #45
  • Sep 5, 2013 1:48am Sep 5, 2013 1:48am
I'm still waiting for a negative edge system

Please show me if you know one
  • #46
  • Sep 5, 2013 1:53am Sep 5, 2013 1:53am
  •  FerruFx
  • Joined May 2007 | Status: MT4/MT5 EAs/Indicators/Alerts coder | 6,542 Posts | Online Now
Quoting vothienphu93
I'm still waiting for a negative edge system Please show me if you know one
Put a 12 EMA on your chart and trade price cross to cross. In any direction you will trade the cross, the result will be negative in the long term.
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  • #47
  • Sep 5, 2013 1:59am Sep 5, 2013 1:59am
Quoting FerruFx
{quote} Put a 12 EMA on your chart and trade price cross to cross. In any direction you will trade the cross, the result will be negative in the long term.
thank you, could you tell me about the SL level and TP level?
  • #48
  • Sep 5, 2013 2:01am Sep 5, 2013 2:01am
  •  FerruFx
  • Joined May 2007 | Status: MT4/MT5 EAs/Indicators/Alerts coder | 6,542 Posts | Online Now
Quoting vothienphu93
{quote} thank you, could you tell me about the SL level and TP level?
No TP no SL ... Trade cross to cross.
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  • #49
  • Sep 5, 2013 2:56am Sep 5, 2013 2:56am
Quoting FerruFx
{quote} No TP no SL ... Trade cross to cross.
So how I will cancel the trades with this strategy?
  • #50
  • Sep 5, 2013 2:59am Sep 5, 2013 2:59am
Quoting vothienphu93
{quote} So how I will cancel the trades with this strategy?
He just told you. Stop and reverse, always in the market.
No greed. No fear. Just maths.
  • #51
  • Sep 5, 2013 3:00am Sep 5, 2013 3:00am
Quoting vothienphu93
{quote} Just show me a negative edge system, perhaps I'm wrong. But I have to understand why I'm wrong. Thank you
Did you read the link in erik1's post? IMO it provides a very clear explanation, as to why a losing system is not necessarily a negative edge system. Perhaps that's what is confusing you?
  • #52
  • Sep 5, 2013 3:08am Sep 5, 2013 3:08am
  •  FerruFx
  • Joined May 2007 | Status: MT4/MT5 EAs/Indicators/Alerts coder | 6,542 Posts | Online Now
Quoting PipMeUp
{quote} He just told you. Stop and reverse, always in the market.
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  • #53
  • Sep 5, 2013 3:11am Sep 5, 2013 3:11am
Quoting PipMeUp
{quote} He just told you. Stop and reverse, always in the market.
So you haven't read my first post. I need a strategy with a SL and TP. But this strategy doesn't have both.
  • #54
  • Sep 5, 2013 3:13am Sep 5, 2013 3:13am
It must be very challenging to prove a system has really no edge. Certainly as hard as proving a system works. For "flip a coin 1:1" it's obvious but in the general case...

A lot of systems in FF clearly have a negative expectancy but the reverse version as well! Reversing a negative edge is therefore not enough.

There is a trivial case where reversing a loser turns it a winner. Reverse a winner twice!

I'm not sure that reversing a winner always produces a loser.
No greed. No fear. Just maths.
  • #55
  • Sep 5, 2013 3:13am Sep 5, 2013 3:13am
Just go to signals provider in MT4 thousands of them there. LOL
  • #56
  • Sep 5, 2013 3:15am Sep 5, 2013 3:15am
Quoting hanover
{quote} Did you read the link in erik1's post? IMO it provides a very clear explanation, as to why a losing system is not necessarily a negative edge system. Perhaps that's what is confusing you?
There was a lot of people who didn't think that people could fly. So what happened? Now we use plane to go everywhere. There's a lot of examples like this everywhere. You could think reverse a negative edge is impossible to be profitable. Perhaps it will be true. But the main part here is that there's not only reversing way. We could add filters. We could employ the money management.... instead of just reversing it
  • #57
  • Sep 5, 2013 3:15am Sep 5, 2013 3:15am
Quoting FerruFx
{quote} No TP no SL ... Trade cross to cross.
Made my day hah hah hah
  • #58
  • Sep 5, 2013 3:17am Sep 5, 2013 3:17am
Quoting vothienphu93
{quote} So you haven't read my first post. I need a strategy with a SL and TP. But this strategy doesn't have both.
CindyXXXX offered you his ultimate holy grail. Flip a coin and LONG when HEAD / SHORT when TAIL. Or the opposite I need reading his post once more
SL=10, TP=10. Even without spread.
No greed. No fear. Just maths.
  • #59
  • Sep 5, 2013 3:21am Sep 5, 2013 3:21am
Quoting vothienphu93
There was a lot of people who didn't think that people could fly. So what happened?
People still can't fly.

Quoting vothienphu93
We could add filters.
Nope. Easy to prove.

Quoting vothienphu93
We could employ the money management..
No. Proved here in one of my posts.
No greed. No fear. Just maths.
  • #60
  • Sep 5, 2013 3:22am Sep 5, 2013 3:22am
  •  FerruFx
  • Joined May 2007 | Status: MT4/MT5 EAs/Indicators/Alerts coder | 6,542 Posts | Online Now
Quoting maflip
{quote} Made my day hah hah hah
Great!
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