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  • #4,541
  • Aug 15, 2013 4:28pm Aug 15, 2013 4:28pm
Quoting vqtrader
Axlz: Here I thought you were on your way to harmonic freedom. First in order to receive something you must be willing to change your attitude towards it. Right now your not in the right frame of mind. You feel that everyone is out to get cha'. I am not in the business of spoon feeding people, but those who put forth an honest effort to learn it. As I said before everything you need is right here. This stuff did not come easy to me either but I read this thread(printed it out) reviewed and posted charts until it finally it clicked. What makes threads...
Thanks a lot, am still reading the first pages, I'm saving this post as well with the charts which I believe is very important
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  • #4,542
  • Aug 15, 2013 7:01pm Aug 15, 2013 7:01pm
Quoting Prabesh
Here is my first "green" harmonic pattern trade! EURCHF 1H chart saw a BAT caught it... From this trade what i have understood is, we must be aware of the price action of currencies too, first we see a pattern and then determine the price action of the currency where it is trying to lean bull or bear.... Before this trade I first analyzed the movement of EUR which was more of bearish momentum, while USDCHF was finding difficult to go upward because if was near 0.94 which is a big resistance with this fact, i got clear clue on the possible movement...
What makes you think it is the model. You see in many times exceeds the 61.8 fib. Gia constitute or PA 2 red and yellow. Gia gets stuck in the measurement, rates may go up or down. Open transaction here is dangerous. If you open the previous transactions, you to come out.
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  • #4,543
  • Aug 15, 2013 7:48pm Aug 15, 2013 7:48pm
ORDERFLOW AND TRADES. Once you focus on Harmony the rest is easy. This is the hard part and it takes work. The long trade is going with orderflow and the sell is going against it BUT its at A HARMONY completion point and price has rejection. Also there is a break and a new swing so change thought process and re org

I am done. People read the thread internalize it. Peace and hair grease
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  • #4,544
  • Aug 15, 2013 8:41pm Aug 15, 2013 8:41pm
Quoting vqtrader
ORDERFLOW AND TRADES. Once you focus on Harmony the rest is easy. This is the hard part and it takes work. The long trade is going with orderflow and the sell is going against it BUT its at A HARMONY completion point and price has rejection. Also there is a break and a new swing so change thought process and re org I am done. People read the thread internalize it. Peace and hair grease {image}
And what about in a trending market where price isn't in a range as in the pic you posted?
  • #4,545
  • Aug 15, 2013 9:03pm Aug 15, 2013 9:03pm
Quoting vqtrader
ORDERFLOW AND TRADES. Once you focus on Harmony the rest is easy. This is the hard part and it takes work. The long trade is going with orderflow and the sell is going against it BUT its at A HARMONY completion point and price has rejection. Also there is a break and a new swing so change thought process and re org I am done. People read the thread internalize it. Peace and hair grease {image}
This is exactly what I meant.

your picture and explanation are worthless and show nothing of value.

i will say it again; HOW DO YOU IDENTiFY ORDERFLOW.
  • #4,546
  • Aug 15, 2013 9:03pm Aug 15, 2013 9:03pm
Axle:I have had a long 15hr day. Stop and look at what I am showing you. It is in your face. LOOK AT WHAT I'AM DOING. I don't care if its in a trend or not. Go back to HArmony. I WILL NOT EXPLAIN THIS AGAIN.

It is no longer in a range to answer you question. It did not make it to 1:1 on break now its moving up. WHAT DOES THIS MEAN. You MUST adapt to every swing.

GOING TO BED
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  • #4,547
  • Aug 15, 2013 9:15pm Aug 15, 2013 9:15pm
Quoting vqtrader
Axle:I have had a long 15hr day. Stop and look at what I am showing you. It is in your face. LOOK AT WHAT I'AM DOING. I don't care if its in a trend or not. Go back to HArmony. I WILL NOT EXPLAIN THIS AGAIN. It is no longer in a range to answer you question. It did not make it to 1:1 on break now its moving up. WHAT DOES THIS MEAN. You MUST adapt to every swing. GOING TO BED {image}
Seriously, what are you trying to pull here?

how about EXPLAINING this. Your pictures mean NOTHING.

if you apparently understand it, then why is it so difficult for you to explain it to someone else?
  • #4,548
  • Aug 15, 2013 9:18pm Aug 15, 2013 9:18pm
I can't tell whether you're trying to say ORDERFLOW has changed once it broke past the box, or what? I can't believe people expect others to understand through this kind of teaching..
  • #4,549
  • Aug 15, 2013 9:18pm Aug 15, 2013 9:18pm
AXLZ:

NOW I Why see Mr.Pip stop coming around. I'm out and tired. If you fail to see the value in being able to adapt and be flexible like the market from one swing to the next then this might not be the thread for you. You want something concrete and the markets don't work that way. What I and everyone learned happens ALL the time its a shame you can't see it. Good luck
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  • #4,550
  • Aug 15, 2013 9:55pm Aug 15, 2013 9:55pm
Quoting vqtrader
AXLZ: NOW I Why see Mr.Pip stop coming around. I'm out and tired. If you fail to see the value in being able to adapt and be flexible like the market from one swing to the next then this might not be the thread for you. You want something concrete and the markets don't work that way. What I and everyone learned happens ALL the time its a shame you can't see it. Good luck
Does this look correct then?

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  • #4,551
  • Aug 15, 2013 10:08pm Aug 15, 2013 10:08pm
Quoting Axlz
{quote} Does this look correct then? {image}
Failed.

This harmony bullshit is a joke bahahaha.

There is only "harmony" when price goes your way.
  • #4,552
  • Aug 15, 2013 10:12pm Aug 15, 2013 10:12pm
Quoting Axlz
{quote} Does this look correct then? {image}
Honestly it looks like it might form a very shallow retracement and then go up. So orderflow medium term up?

Howd I do I see ur giving us pop quizzes with past data lol!
  • #4,553
  • Aug 15, 2013 10:12pm Aug 15, 2013 10:12pm
Quoting Starry
{quote} Honestly it looks like it might form a very shallow retracement and then go up. So orderflow medium term up? Howd I do I see ur giving us pop quizzes with past data lol!
You were spot on.

I was wrong.

seriously, how the hell are we supposed to know this.
  • #4,554
  • Aug 15, 2013 10:24pm Aug 15, 2013 10:24pm
So I'm thinking, once price reaches the zone marked, it would have a huge retrace down (large trendline), or a small retrace and continuation (small trend line)?

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  • #4,555
  • Edited 5:04am Aug 16, 2013 4:51am | Edited 5:04am
Quoting Axlz
So I'm thinking, once price reaches the zone marked, it would have a huge retrace down (large trendline), or a small retrace and continuation (small trend line)? {image}

Id need the actually chart to figure that one out, because i am learning how to use a tool i programmed that predicts the time and price of the next swing.

Offhand i would say it is going to be a large retrace (a little above the 23.6 line perhaps) if it accelerates into the prz
  • #4,556
  • Aug 16, 2013 4:52am Aug 16, 2013 4:52am
Quoting Axlz
{quote} You were spot on. I was wrong. seriously, how the hell are we supposed to know this.
mostly from experience. the market changes characteristics (time spacing between lows, and candle composition) all the time, and your brain unconsciously learns what 'might' happen.

As long as you are consistent. In this case, the market compressed right before the low in the middle of the chart. This typically marks a transition. A line that is fit to that compression will probably coincide with the top, because when the price compresses it makes prominent new market characteristics (slopes of lines) that will be obeyed in the future, and which is also shared with the past. Might not make sense, but that is what my tool is based upon. Not ready to share it though because i have to backtest and be consistently profitable and such.


Also, your chart looks like this chart from mr pips trading session in my opinion. but only sort of. price retraced deeply here which is why i said it would probably retrace deeply. but again, i would actually calculate/project the time and price value of the retracement ...

http://www.forexfactory.com/showthread.php?p=6447645#post6447645
  • #4,557
  • Aug 16, 2013 5:52am Aug 16, 2013 5:52am
Quoting Axlz
{quote} You were spot on. I was wrong. seriously, how the hell are we supposed to know this.

basically, axlz, the market is geometrical
  • #4,558
  • Aug 16, 2013 5:54am Aug 16, 2013 5:54am
Good luck people. This my last post. I posted a chart last night when I was going back forward with Alxlz showing harmony completion point before it happened, so just to prove a point I took a sell limit trade at that point last night. I woke up and now its at BE. I will take half off and let the rest run to the other completion point if it gets there. If not who cares I took half. and its back in congestion area.It can get any basic than this. Sorry most of you don't understand this. Keep at it.


Peace and hair
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  • #4,559
  • Edited 6:53am Aug 16, 2013 6:12am | Edited 6:53am
Quoting vqtrader
AXLZ: NOW I Why see Mr.Pip stop coming around. I'm out and tired. If you fail to see the value in being able to adapt and be flexible like the market from one swing to the next then this might not be the thread for you. You want something concrete and the markets don't work that way. What I and everyone learned happens ALL the time its a shame you can't see it. Good luck
Pls hang around, am here to learn and listen, I hope this thread continues its power the way Mr.Pip intended it to be, thanks a lot for you explanation, I'm into Price Action and harmonic very deeply since this the way how I think profitable Forex should be

vgtrader, I hope I can follow the way you have gone thorough and be knowledgeable enough to implement harmonic fundamentals in my day trading

Thanks again for your teachings

Anyway , could this 1H CAD/JPY potentially be a Gartley , at the PRZ, there is resistance structure and round number
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  • #4,560
  • Aug 16, 2013 7:33am Aug 16, 2013 7:33am
Axlz, heres the best explanation i can find rigiht now

http://www.forexfactory.com/showthread.php?p=4726240#post4726240

edit: download ninjatrader, and use the following settings for the fib circle ratio, and you can observe price action around any circles you want, corresponding to the possibilities listed in th eforum post above. the ratios are basically murry line ratios.

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