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  • #21
  • Jul 20, 2013 10:09am Jul 20, 2013 10:09am
Quoting Pipologist
{quote} Mr. Snt, I see you have some interesting scalp trading methods, are those EAs as well? 32,000 net pips in less than a year is over 300,000 USD simply trading 1.0 lots. If you can accomplish that or more totally automated, it's impressive indeed.
If you want I can do a test with 1 fixed lot and 10,000 usd
Trend is your Friend!
  • #22
  • Jul 20, 2013 10:26am Jul 20, 2013 10:26am
This is the Sakura EA on M30 charts with:

SL 80 pips
TP unlimited
BE +5 pips

fixed lot 0,05

18 month test

Cross EJ
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Trend is your Friend!
  • #23
  • Jul 20, 2013 10:43am Jul 20, 2013 10:43am
I thought that I will post my M1 Scalper as well........

I stopped the backtestesting early so that I could post here.......

It backtests perfectly with all pairs.....lol
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  • #24
  • Jul 20, 2013 11:00am Jul 20, 2013 11:00am
Quoting Gvc
I thought that I will post my M1 Scalper as well........ I stopped the backtestesting early so that I could post here....... It backtests perfectly with all pairs.....lol {image}
nice... but 1 minute in real is very different from 1 minute live.

I've an Idea...

I will share my EA on M15 on e LIVE Demo ACCount and you too...
Trend is your Friend!
  • #25
  • Jul 20, 2013 11:07am Jul 20, 2013 11:07am
Snt,

I apologise for taking the mickey out of you guys but the thing is that this is a SCAM EA that unscrupulous sites use to lure gullible traders.

The EA is nothing more than a system that looks at the history of the pair traded on backtest.

How does the old saying go, If it looks too good.......
  • #26
  • Jul 20, 2013 2:04pm Jul 20, 2013 2:04pm
Quoting Gvc
Snt, I apologise for taking the mickey out of you guys but the thing is that this is a SCAM EA that unscrupulous sites use to lure gullible traders. The EA is nothing more than a system that looks at the history of the pair traded on backtest. How does the old saying go, If it looks too good.......
what EA is Scamm?

mine??? not

the GVC Scalper?
Trend is your Friend!
  • #27
  • Jul 20, 2013 2:27pm Jul 20, 2013 2:27pm
500+% with out any EA


http://www.forexfactory.com/priceaction1
don't predict direction, but dance with flow of water
  • #28
  • Edited 7:00pm Jul 20, 2013 6:45pm | Edited 7:00pm
Quoting ~bull.bear~
{quote} It is possible to scale in positions for winning streaks if you didn't mention clearly. What is scale down? Is this scale out/decreasing lot size for subsequent trade? If this is, I don't think the equity curve could rise so high for one trade. If this is scale in, it is possible, but i guess you must achieve a minimum equity curve before proceed with scaling in. Otherwise, you have not enough fund or might get margin call.
Q. Is this scale out/decreasing lot size for subsequent trade
A. Yes.

Q. I don't think the equity curve could rise so high for one trade.
A. It's possible if not on one trade, then on the next series of winning trades. However, it depends on leverage in relation to max leverage available on account, and the difference between amount of Stop Loss and Take Profit in addition to the ratio of W:L trades. In this case the account is at 100:1 max leverage and the EA leverage is more than half or closer to the upper end of the maximum leverage.

Q. If this is scale in, it is possible, but i guess you must achieve a minimum equity curve before proceed with scaling in. Otherwise, you have not enough fund or might get margin call.
A. Yes, you are absolutely right. But consider this, let's say the account is 100:1 max leverage, which means the margin required for EURUSD is about 1350.00 USD per 1.0 lot, or about 14.00 USD for each .01 lot, which means with a $100 starting balance one can trade about .07 lot to be at max leverage. At a 50% stop out level on the account (average for most brokers, some have less), one has until the account reaches about $50 before one is stop out automatically. As long as your automated stops are taking you out before then, your EA can continue to operate as you've hopefully intended it to do without any unplanned external actions. As far as the margin call goes, high leverage EAs trade with margin calls fairly frequently. It's the stop out level that one needs to be aware of plan into the money management routine.

One last comment regarding position sizing. An EA that increases position sizes after a loss (usually doubling), and then lessens position sizing after a gain is called a Martingale. I don't use martingales because eventually if earnings are left un-cashed, the nth trade after x number of losses, will eventually wipe out your entire proceeds to zero in one single magnificent trade. If a martingale is used one must have a "cash out" level. As you may know, martingale strategies are popular on the blackjack tables when one is there for only a few hours and relying on a hot streak or lucky streak. An EA that relies on a hot streak or lucky streak is disaster waiting to happen. Although hot streaks and lucky streaks are nice, it's better to rely on market logic.

Most super high end traders that started with small capital and managed to turn it into super significant numbers usually "pyramid" their positions carefully but do not use martingale. One name that comes to mind immediately is Jim Rodgers of Market Wizards fame. There are many many others. I'm sorry I did not clarify in the guidelines, proper pyramiding (dynamic position sizing) is encouraged but no martingales simply for the fact that with martingales, no matter how great the equity curve, any last trade means it can go back to 1 in just a single trade.
  • #29
  • Jul 20, 2013 6:56pm Jul 20, 2013 6:56pm
Quoting Gvc
I thought that I will post my M1 Scalper as well........ I stopped the backtestesting early so that I could post here....... It backtests perfectly with all pairs.....lol {image}
It's quite obvious you've posted a "lie".

26,000 wins and zero losses.

Let's keep this as realistic as possible.

Your wasting your time and everyone else's by posting a joke or a lie.

I'm sure you wanted to prove a point, which is "don't believe everything you read or see", but we're all adults here and many of us have been trading for years.

If you think the thread is B.S. that's fine. You're free to do whatever, however if you have something real and potentially constructive, then that would be appreciated too.
  • #30
  • Jul 20, 2013 7:53pm Jul 20, 2013 7:53pm
Backtesting is notoriously flawed. Even a forward test on a demo account has flaws... (are commissions, swaps etc included?), and there is usually no slippage on demo trades.

The only test that can be trusted is a forward test on a live (real money) account.
In the days of old when sailors were bold, and seldom if ever contented.
  • #31
  • Jul 20, 2013 10:21pm Jul 20, 2013 10:21pm
Quoting Pipologist
{quote} Q. I don't think the equity curve could rise so high for one trade. A. It's possible if not on one trade, then on the next series of winning trades. However, it depends on leverage in relation to max leverage available on account, and the difference between amount of Stop Loss and Take Profit in addition to the ratio of W:L trades. In this case the account is at 100:1 max leverage and the EA leverage is more than half or closer to the upper end of the maximum leverage.
Then you must have accurate entry exit system. Can you show me if you EA could generate consistent return in long term case? If this is, i have no comment.
  • #32
  • Edited 11:18pm Jul 20, 2013 11:04pm | Edited 11:18pm
Quoting pt49
Backtesting is notoriously flawed. Even a forward test on a demo account has flaws... (are commissions, swaps etc included?), and there is usually no slippage on demo trades. The only test that can be trusted is a forward test on a live (real money) account.
All agreed. However, with an intricately coded EA commissions, swaps can be included. With a "normal" EA, slippage should be included, also on the newest version of MT4 it allows one to test with different spreads to see how widening the spread will affect performance.

Testing on a live account wouldn't really be called testing. It's live trading, no matter how big or small the amount. Of course, brokers change their leverage level and the market changes it's spread based on volume so as the equity increases it becomes more difficult to execute at tested levels, but a well coded and thought out EA will (should) cover these potentialities.

The process of testing is to eliminate systems that are not tradeable and then the final goal of any EA development is to determine what method to move forward with or adjust.

If an EA test result is crappy, no need to continue unless there is possibility of improving it with some tweaking.

If an EA result is good or potentially good with additional tweaking, then it's reasonable enough to continue testing on live data (after tweaking), then on a demo account with live data, then on a live account with minimal risk capital then real account with more substantial risk capital.

1st...Backtest, again and again, and adjust on live data.
2nd...Forward test on live demo data (no risk capital)
3rd...Live trading with minimal risk capital
4th...Live trading with substantial risk capital.

So unless an EA is successful on each prior step first, no need to continue with it. But as you say, even with 1, 2 and 3 being successful there is no guarantee that the 4th step will become successful. The first 3 steps are simply filters. But, with that being said, this thread is about kick a** results that are real in either a live or demo or backtested environment. And most importantly, for the sake of the thread, it's about fully automated trading. I wanted to see who else is putting together kick a** fully automated EAs. There is a lot of talk of method trading on FF but most of that is about manual trading decisions. This thread is about totally automated EA trading and it's potential.

Interested in seeing EA results and the stats associated with it. One can tell a lot about an EA and it's potential just by looking at the stats. Of course, no one has a crystal ball, but trading is simply a business of probabilities and money/trade management. Even a superstar athlete on a team does not guarantee the success of that team, however it certainly could improve it's chances. But a team of only crappy athletes will seldom win a championship. Am simply interested in seeing superstar athleticism with EA results. How to win a championship is another story.
  • #33
  • Jul 20, 2013 11:10pm Jul 20, 2013 11:10pm
Quoting ~bull.bear~
{quote} Then you must have accurate entry exit system. Can you show me if you EA could generate consistent return in long term case? If this is, i have no comment.
Q. Can you show me if you EA could generate consistent return in long term case?

A. That is the BILLION DOLLAR question.

I have no doubt that there are EAs that do. There are all kinds of systems and "accuracy" with "appropriate money management" increases the chances of success. Markets change over time throughout the year (trending, consolidating, channeling, etc.).

Again this is not a discussion of "how to create" a good system. It's a discussion of the potential of automated trading.

Refining the EA to accommodate different trading conditions is up to the maker of the EA. Or, trading multiple EAs to accommodate multiple scenarios is another way. But then we are talking about type of EAs which is an interesting discussion too.

Again just want to see what you consider to be kick a** results for your totally automated EA.
  • #34
  • Jul 20, 2013 11:30pm Jul 20, 2013 11:30pm
Quoting priceaction1
500+% with out any EA http://www.forexfactory.com/priceaction1
That looks pretty good except for the recent massive drawdown. Now the question becomes can you get your method to get back to the highest watermark?

If that was a live account most would be psychologically hit by such a large drawdown and begin to make trading errors and deviating from their rules.

So if you could turn your method into an EA it would eliminate the emotion and "heavy lifting".

If you enjoy the process of "trading" and staring at your monitor every session. Then a manual method is great.

But there are many of us, who have "tired" of trading and being hostage to the screen every trading session. Thus, rely on an EA with strict rules based trading to eliminate trading errors, i.e. deviating from the rules.
  • #35
  • Edited Jul 21, 2013 12:06am Jul 20, 2013 11:56pm | Edited Jul 21, 2013 12:06am
Quoting Pipologist
... me thinks that you are mostly manually trading, is that right?
The account started as a live $2,000 account when I started the thread end of May 2012. I have added funds several times, and the account is still negative about 15% from when it started, including the fund additions. It has been 100% manually traded until June 20th 2013, at which point I started the EA to trade it.
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Although I love the concept of what your saying and attempting to accomplish. $2k to $2mil would equate to, in this case $100 to $100k, so at least we're on the same wavelength there. More interested in totally automated trading with a hands off EA.
It is now 100% hands off EA trading. The EA is based on the daily range.

Stops vary between 200% to 300% of the take profits... for instance a TP of 100 pips on a trade with a stop of as much as 300 pips. Abit upsidedown to the accepted norm.

It is still very much early days, but after 4 weeks it looks promising with an 85% win rate by equity and 95% by account balance. Reason for the difference is the open trades. Only 4 losing trades in 71 so far closed.

As with all EA's it no doubt will be tested at some time by an extraordinary event or by another financial crisis. These are things we can't predict with certainty, but they will and do happen about every 12 to 18 months in my experience. For example... London bombings, Indonesian Tsunami, 911 twin towers, GFC's 2008 and 2010, Japanese earthquakes/tsunamis.
In the days of old when sailors were bold, and seldom if ever contented.
  • #36
  • Jul 21, 2013 12:30am Jul 21, 2013 12:30am
Quoting pt49
{quote} Reason for the difference is the open trades. Only 4 losing trades in 71 so far closed.
But the open trades, will either be profitable or close at a predetermined and premanaged stop right? As long as they are not open ended you should be safe.


Quoting pt49
{quote} Only 4 losing trades in 71 so far closed. As with all EA's it no doubt will be tested at some time by an extraordinary event or by another financial crisis.
But any extraordinary event if the market has moved against your position should be pre-compensated for as much as possible within the money management routine, of course if luck is on your side in that scenario, you could be taken out with a profit above your take profit, but in the event of a loss more than your stop, reasonable money management (a.k.a. appropriate position sizing related to equity) should have you covered, even though you may take a huge hit your EA *should* be able to recover and continue to trade.

Anyway your 2k to 2mil concept is valid and along the lines of what this thread is about. Except we are starting ideally with $100 here. I'm sure you're familiar with the story of Jim Rodgers who started with futures trading and then quickly moved currency trading. He took an initial $200 stake and turned it into $200 million within a couple of years. He's a billionaire now. Of course, his position sizing has changed appropriate to his total risk capital. There are other threads where traders attempt to take $100 to 10k and then to 100k, but however they are mostly manually traded. Nothing wrong with that. But, personally I think manual trading with that goal in mind puts added pressure on one's self especially when the equity gets over $50k.

Anyway nice job of converting your method to an EA and with your results.
  • #37
  • Jul 21, 2013 12:39am Jul 21, 2013 12:39am
Quoting Snt
{quote} what EA is Scamm? mine??? not the GVC Scalper?
I am not saying your EA is a scam.....

My EA "GVC Scalper" is a scam EA.
It can not trade live and only works on backtesting, it reads mt4 history....That is why it gives perfect trades.

I would post it here for you guys to check out, but I am a bit wary for obvious reasons.
  • #38
  • Jul 21, 2013 12:45am Jul 21, 2013 12:45am
Quoting Pipologist
we are starting ideally with $100 here.
Problem with a $100 start is that you must have high leverage, which excludes your American readers who have a 50:1 ball n chain.

I'm not a big risk taker these days, so the minimum account size I would start with is $1,000 and risk just .01 lot per trade.
In the days of old when sailors were bold, and seldom if ever contented.
  • #39
  • Jul 21, 2013 12:46am Jul 21, 2013 12:46am
Quoting Gvc
{quote} I am not saying your EA is a scam..... My EA "GVC Scalper" is a scam EA. It can not trade live and only works on backtesting, it reads mt4 history....That is why it gives perfect trades. I would post it here for you guys to check out, but I am a bit wary for obvious reasons.
Probably better not to post it since it could only confuse someone that doesn't know what they are doing. You could end up uploading it and then get blasted with questions and complaints by folks saying it doesn't execute trades. LOL.

I think a better question is, is there anything that can be taken from your EA and actually be beneficially used in a real EA? If it's just reading history, then nothing, but if it's analyzing historical patterns, it could form the basis for additional testing.

Which leads me to a question...Why would you create such an EA? Was it just an exercise in programming? Or is it part of a grander and potentially profitable idea?
  • #40
  • Jul 21, 2013 12:49am Jul 21, 2013 12:49am
Quoting Pipologist
And to start this off... My most recent EA: Results from 05/16/2013 to 7/18/2013 (2 months) $100 --> $573,000
Wow... obviously a back test or maybe a forward test demo.

If its this good in demo, you'd be a nutcase not to risk a couple hundred dollar live account.
In the days of old when sailors were bold, and seldom if ever contented.
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