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  • First Post: Edited Jul 20, 2013 7:49pm Jul 19, 2013 9:20am | Edited Jul 20, 2013 7:49pm
  •  Pipologist
  • Joined May 2009 | Status: testing/trading/testing/trading... | 1,799 Posts
OK...Show us your best EA results...can be demo or live. It can also be from something you've seen elsewhere, as long as you have the permission to post it or are allowed to post it.

Here are the guidelines for the EA results to make it "fair" (please follow to keep it real):

1. Max Leverage 100:1.
This is because most brokers only allow for 100 or 200:1 when your account is over 20k. In the U.S. max leverage is only 50:1, so testing an EA at 100:1 or less is realistic.

2. Max Stop Out Level 50%
(even though your broker may be at 20%, most brokers have stop outs at 50%). This is also to keep it realistic. For example if you have a losing trade at max leverage using max account balance and equity, you could lose up to 50% of your equity in one losing trade.

3. One year or less returns.
Show us your best results for a year or less.

4. Here's the biggie: Start with $100 no more.
That's right start with one hundred dollars. Let's see how much you can increase $100 in up to one year. Can you make $100 turn in $100k or more within a year?

5. Max and Relative Drawdown limit of 90%.
Most traders could not psychologically withstand continuing to trade any system or method after losing 75% of their equity. But since we are only starting with $100 USD, feel free to take it to the extreme.

6. No Martingale strategies.
Dynamic position sizing, a.k.a. pyramiding is encouraged, but Martingale is not. If you're not sure of the difference between the two, read further down in this thread and there's an explanation between the two. Would like to try to not have this become a discussion of the details of kinds of money management techniques since most EA developers who have been doing it for a while understand the nuances of money management and dynamic position sizing.

7. EA must trade with stops. No open ended losses.

Guidelines 6 and 7 above prevent EA from "losing it all" on a one single bad trade. Some form of money management or controlled position sizing must be part of the EA.

8. EA must have traded at least 33 trades. More is preferable if possible.
The more trades over a longer time period make it more statistically relevant. However, the amount of trades doesn't guarantee the profitably and the long term tradability of an EA.

9. Feel free to post any modeling quality, but be prepared to justify your results.

10. If it's an EA on a demo account, the EA must be executable in a live account and live trading environment.

11. Finally. The EA must be fully automated with no manual intervention once loaded.
What good is an EA if it's not 100% hands free? Really. An EA that requires manual intervention between trades is just another "tool" or indicator. A 100% automated EA (as intended), if properly executed is psychologically and financially liberating and frees you from the tension of having to monitor the markets every trading session. So only true EAs please.

You can share your method behind the results if you wish or keep them secret. It's your EA, it's up to you.

It will be interesting to see how many EA's are out there that can take $100 and turn it into $100,000 or more within a year on a 100:1 leverage account or less. So if you have one, please show it. You don't have to show historical trade records unless you want to.

The purpose of this thread is to show what's possible with EAs, and to open discussion about the merits/demerits of each EA.

Let's see the potential of what's possible with EAs and discuss the probability of having those results duplicated in live forward trading.
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  • Jul 19, 2013 9:22am Jul 19, 2013 9:22am
  •  Pipologist
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The EA can be live, demo or back tested results...

Let's see what the potential is...
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  • Jul 19, 2013 9:27am Jul 19, 2013 9:27am
  •  Pipologist
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And to start this off...

My most recent EA:
Results from 05/16/2013 to 7/18/2013 (2 months)
$100 --> $573,000

Open Prices modeling was used because my EA specifically trades on bar opening.
The results are 99.9% similar for control points used and for every tick method used.

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  • Jul 19, 2013 9:46am Jul 19, 2013 9:46am
  •  DrNoStopLoss
  • | Additional Username | Joined Mar 2013 | 317 Posts
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And to start this off... My most recent EA: Results from 05/16/2013 to 7/18/2013 (2 months) $100 --> $573,000 Open Prices modeling was used because my EA specifically trades on bar opening. The results are 99.9% similar for control points used and for every tick method used. {image}
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Wow! Care to share your method behind the results?
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Quoting DrNoStopLoss
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{quote} Wow! Care to share your method behind the results?
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Sorry, I have an NDA that prevents me from doing so, but I can tell as the guidelines suggest that it's not a martingale strategy.
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  •  ~bull.bear~
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And to start this off... My most recent EA: Results from 05/16/2013 to 7/18/2013 (2 months) $100 --> $573,000 Open Prices modeling was used because my EA specifically trades on bar opening. The results are 99.9% similar for control points used and for every tick method used. {image}
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It can only be proved if the EA could work for long term, although it can generate massive profit in 2 or 3 trades. I can see from the equity chart, it shoot up about 200k profit for just 3 trades. The EA are using big increment lot for this case, because this pair has average 100 pips move daily, and the test was just short of time. So definitely this is martingale. But you have mentioned the rule yourself "No martingale strategy", maybe you are not clear to describe this.
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  •  deltatrade
  • | Joined Mar 2010 | Status: strategy development | 643 Posts
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And to start this off... My most recent EA: Results from 05/16/2013 to 7/18/2013 (2 months) $100 --> $573,000 Open Prices modeling was used because my EA specifically trades on bar opening. The results are 99.9% similar for control points used and for every tick method used. {image}
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45 trades???? are you kidding me? there are live trade explorers showing 1000 trades only to fail after that. you must be kidding yourself that 45 trades mean something.
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Quoting ~bull.bear~
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{quote} It can only be proved if the EA could work for long term, although it can generate massive profit in 2 or 3 trades. I can see from the equity chart, it shoot up about 200k profit for just 3 trades. The EA are using big increment lot for this case, because this pair has average 100 pips move daily, and the test was just short of time. So definitely this is martingale. But you have mentioned the rule yourself "No martingale strategy", maybe you are not clear to describe this.
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Again, it is not martingale. Martingale by definition increases position size usually by 2x after every losing trade. This EA scales down position size after losing trades.
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  • Jul 20, 2013 5:36am Jul 20, 2013 5:36am
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Quoting deltatrade
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{quote} 45 trades???? are you kidding me? there are live trade explorers showing 1000 trades only to fail after that. you must be kidding yourself that 45 trades mean something.
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45 trades means nothing. The exercise here is to create an EA that starts with $100 and to see what kind of return can be generated within the shortest amount of time, without using martingale and within the parameters described on the introductory post, and to invoke discussion of merits/demerits.

As far as live trading goes, with or without an EA, 45 trades or 1000 trades means nothing. It's what you keep in profits that counts.

Since this board has been up for about 24 hours and there have been no other EAs posted, I have to assume that there is no interest in this topic or no one else that cares to post raw EA results for discussion.
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  •  iamboston
  • | Joined May 2010 | Status: Member | 199 Posts
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{quote} 45 trades means nothing. The exercise here is to create an EA that starts with $100 and to see what kind of return can be generated within the shortest amount of time, without using martingale and within the parameters described on the introductory post, and to invoke discussion of merits/demerits. As far as live trading goes, with or without an EA, 45 trades or 1000 trades means nothing. It's what you keep in profits that counts. Since this board has been up for about 24 hours and there have been no other EAs posted, I have to assume that...
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When you're not willing to discuss your "nda agreed" ea, why do you expect anyone else to?
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  • Jul 20, 2013 6:35am Jul 20, 2013 6:35am
  •  pt49
  • Joined Apr 2006 | Status: Member | 1,316 Posts
Idiot said... "Since this board has been up for about 24 hours and there have been no other EAs posted, I have to assume that there is no interest in this topic or no one else that cares to post raw EA results for discussion."

OK... ummmmmmmmmmmm

http://www.forexfactory.com/pt49

Don't be so stupidly impatient man.
In the days of old when sailors were bold, and seldom if ever contented.
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  • Jul 20, 2013 6:38am Jul 20, 2013 6:38am
  •  pt49
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Any fool who is an impatient fool is probably an idiot.
In the days of old when sailors were bold, and seldom if ever contented.
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  • Jul 20, 2013 8:34am Jul 20, 2013 8:34am
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Idiot said... "Since this board has been up for about 24 hours and there have been no other EAs posted, I have to assume that there is no interest in this topic or no one else that cares to post raw EA results for discussion." OK... ummmmmmmmmmmm http://www.forexfactory.com/pt49 Don't be so stupidly impatient man.
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Been called much worse than a fool, impatient and idiot and actually much worse so no worries mate.

But, your post looks good (trade explorer), but after browsing through your $2k to $2mil thread, me thinks that you are mostly manually trading, is that right? Please correct if mistaken. Although I love the concept of what your saying and attempting to accomplish. $2k to $2mil would equate to, in this case $100 to $100k, so at least we're on the same wavelength there.

More interested in totally automated trading with a hands off EA.
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  • Jul 20, 2013 8:39am Jul 20, 2013 8:39am
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Quoting iamboston
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{quote} When you're not willing to discuss your "nda agreed" ea, why do you expect anyone else to?
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There are some things I can share which would be related to the results of the EA itself and concepts of money management, but as far as the method goes it's a synthesis of over 20 years of market analysis. I can say that there are no traditional indicators involved. Don't use, stoch, rsi, macd, moving averages, none of that with this EA. I do have EAs that do use indicators for trading but this one does not. That's about all I can say regarding methodology.

This thread was not formed to share "methods" but to see the potential of automated trading systems, i.e. to be able to compare statistical results and equity curves and to get inspiration from them. For example, PT49's equity curve looks great, not sure if he's using an EA though.

I get inspired when I see a GREAT EA with a great equity curve.
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  • Jul 20, 2013 9:45am Jul 20, 2013 9:45am
  •  baokydev
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Not as good as most of the EA out there, this is 1 of the EA i coded myself after doing 10 to 15 revision base on performance statistic to get the best result.

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However only try for 2 weeks or so, no martingale, standard 0.1 lot with 200x leverage.

I am running another version with another TF to see result next week on another broker and linking to my explorer.

Exit , Entry , SL , TP is all carefully planned.

Trail stop also implemented in my EA to secure profit / Break Even.
Trading is something special.
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  •  Snt
  • | Commercial Member | Joined Apr 2009 | 37 Posts
here my test wiht my EA Sakura on EJ for 18 month on M15

Start with 100 eur
Fixed Lots 0,05
SL 40 pips
TP 200 pips
BE + 5 pips
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Trend is your Friend!
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here my test wiht my EA Sakura on EJ for 18 month on M15 Start with 100 eur Fixed Lots 0,05 SL 40 pips TP 200 pips BE + 5 pips {image} {image} {image}
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That's a nice equity curve.
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  • Jul 20, 2013 10:46am Jul 20, 2013 10:46am
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Not as good as most of the EA out there, this is 1 of the EA i coded myself after doing 10 to 15 revision base on performance statistic to get the best result. {image} However only try for 2 weeks or so, no martingale, standard 0.1 lot with 200x leverage. I am running another version with another TF to see result next week on another broker and linking to my explorer. Exit , Entry , SL , TP is all carefully planned. Trail stop also implemented in my EA to secure profit / Break Even.
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It looks like the EA had a rough start in the beginning but may have some potential. Thanks for the post.
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  • Jul 20, 2013 10:51am Jul 20, 2013 10:51am
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here my test wiht my EA Sakura on EJ for 18 month on M15 Start with 100 eur Fixed Lots 0,05 SL 40 pips TP 200 pips BE + 5 pips {image} {image} {image}
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Mr. Snt,

I see you have some interesting scalp trading methods, are those EAs as well?

32,000 net pips in less than a year is over 300,000 USD simply trading 1.0 lots. If you can accomplish that or more totally automated, it's impressive indeed.
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  • Jul 20, 2013 11:06am Jul 20, 2013 11:06am
  •  ~bull.bear~
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{quote} Again, it is not martingale. Martingale by definition increases position size usually by 2x after every losing trade. This EA scales down position size after losing trades.
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It is possible to scale in positions for winning streaks if you didn't mention clearly.

What is scale down? Is this scale out/decreasing lot size for subsequent trade? If this is, I don't think the equity curve could rise so high for one trade.
If this is scale in, it is possible, but i guess you must achieve a minimum equity curve before proceed with scaling in. Otherwise, you have not enough fund or might get margin call.
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