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  • #21
  • Jun 21, 2006 12:22pm Jun 21, 2006 12:22pm
There is only one problem with all this fair tax thing.
I think it is a great idea,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, but it ain't ever gonna happen....please God make me eat my words on this....

Anyway the industry that is directly related to the taxing of america is HUGE....if you implemented the fair tax look at all the tax related jobs that would go away, now it would'nt bother me a bit to see all the IRS employees actually have to go out and get a job, nor would it bother me to see most of the tax preparers have to get a job, let them spread there incompetance elsewhere.
just some idle synapse firings about this
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  • #22
  • Jun 21, 2006 12:35pm Jun 21, 2006 12:35pm
Quoting johnedoe
There is only one problem with all this fair tax thing.
I think it is a great idea,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, but it ain't ever gonna happen....please God make me eat my words on this....

Anyway the industry that is directly related to the taxing of america is HUGE....if you implemented the fair tax look at all the tax related jobs that would go away, now it would'nt bother me a bit to see all the IRS employees actually have to go out and get a job, nor would it bother me to see most of the tax preparers have to get a job, let them spread there incompetance elsewhere.
just some idle synapse firings about this
Now that I have picked myself up after a good ROFLMAO I agree with you. But it will never get any steam if we don't get some grass roots support behind it.

Just think of the boost the dolar will get when all of those IRS and H&R Block types have to do something productive!
Nolite dormiens pungere ursum. -- Latan Proverb.
  • #23
  • Jun 21, 2006 1:41pm Jun 21, 2006 1:41pm
That would be great....but are the IRS and H&R block types retrainable??????
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  • #24
  • Jun 21, 2006 1:52pm Jun 21, 2006 1:52pm
Quoting johnedoe
That would be great....but are the IRS and H&R block types retrainable??????
Sure they could work as customer service agents for credit card giants like CapOne instead of letting CapOne outsource to India and Eastern Europe.
  • #25
  • Jun 21, 2006 2:01pm Jun 21, 2006 2:01pm
Quoting johnedoe
There is only one problem with all this fair tax thing.
I think it is a great idea,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, but it ain't ever gonna happen....please God make me eat my words on this....

Anyway the industry that is directly related to the taxing of america is HUGE....if you implemented the fair tax look at all the tax related jobs that would go away, now it would'nt bother me a bit to see all the IRS employees actually have to go out and get a job, nor would it bother me to see most of the tax preparers have to get a job, let them spread there incompetance elsewhere.
just some idle synapse firings about this
And what if they didn't just "go out and get a job"? As you imply there is way to many of these people, would there be enough jobs to employ them all? I would think no. We have some unemployment already, even with all these government created positions. So, these people would most likely end up collecting unemployment checks. Where does that money come from? Federal income taxes. There is no end to this.

How about instead of complaining about taxes in general we look into how they are spent. About 50% of government money in the US is spent on military. Is this what people want? If half of this money were spent on education and health care this country would be a heaven on Earth...

Don't complain about taxes... I wasn't born in the US and all I will say is that Americans take a lot for granted. It's not that bad. Most people have it worse.

Dane
  • #26
  • Jun 21, 2006 2:36pm Jun 21, 2006 2:36pm
Quoting great*dane
And what if they didn't just "go out and get a job"? As you imply there is way to many of these people, would there be enough jobs to employ them all? I would think no. We have some unemployment already, even with all these government created positions. So, these people would most likely end up collecting unemployment checks. Where does that money come from? Federal income taxes. There is no end to this.
You are assuming that the IRS would be ended instantly. If the IRS was immediately ended, then yes, what you are saying would happen, but it won't happen that way; it would be phased out, and I am sure, some IRS employees would be offered other government jobs, and the rest would find another job.

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How about instead of complaining about taxes in general we look into how they are spent. About 50% of government money in the US is spent on military. Is this what people want? If half of this money were spent on education and health care this country would be a heaven on Earth...
And this country is not "heaven on earth"? I like living in a country where I can speak freely about these types of issues and actually have a voice. I like being able to drive around without cameras taking pictures of my car and running them through a database every mile or so (England). I like being able to have the freedom to own a handgun. Why do you think we have these freedoms? Because our miltary has kept other countries from infiltrating and running their own regime.
  • #27
  • Jun 21, 2006 3:44pm Jun 21, 2006 3:44pm
Quoting jmichaelrush
And this country is not "heaven on earth"? I like living in a country where I can speak freely about these types of issues and actually have a voice. I like being able to drive around without cameras taking pictures of my car and running them through a database every mile or so (England). I like being able to have the freedom to own a handgun. Why do you think we have these freedoms? Because our miltary has kept other countries from infiltrating and running their own regime.
I agree with you first part about being phased out...but make no mistake about it, we're not exactly as "free" to do what you say.

After all:
- You're welcome to say anything you want at any time, but you could be held legally responsible if they can prove you harmed them in court...
- There may not be cameras taking pictures of you...at least not that you're aware of, but your phones could be tapped, and of course, the NSA is tracking your call patterns no matter what Qwest or Verizon or Cingular says.
- as far as other countries infiltrating and running their own regimes...that's a point of view thing...Israel has a pretty important lobby that helps to shape our foreign policy. Oil producing countries find a way to put the squeeze on our wallets. North Korea and Iran seem to be making the administration do that funky little dance...and well, Abramahoff (sp) just put all sorts of crap on the political agenda including international deals with some eastern block countries.

Right on about the handgun, though...bro

Hey, I love this country as much as the next, my brother, but I make no illusions of how "progressive" we really are. The government is doing the best it can with all of the infighting and lobbying and Iraq and all of the crap that it has to deal with. Is it perfect? absolutely not...is it preferrable to say...Iraq...absolutely.

I'm just going to be real about what freedoms we really do and don't have and what freedoms we're under the illusion of having.
  • #28
  • Jun 21, 2006 3:50pm Jun 21, 2006 3:50pm
Hi nash have a look at www.tridentpress.com.au good stuff for aussies.

note if ur are irs,ato etc etc agent checking out the forex forum then up yours!
  • #29
  • Jun 21, 2006 3:57pm Jun 21, 2006 3:57pm
Quoting jmichaelrush
If you are in the U.S. then I would consider reading the FairTax book. It will definately open your eyes. Then, visit the www.FairTax.org website. The goal here is to abolish the income tax and have one flat tax for all Americans.

Hey Jmicheal,

You beat me to it. John Linder who wrote the bill and is sponsoring this in the house, said that the Republican leadership is exploring "running" on this as the main issue for the mid terms next fall.

Nooooooooooooooooooooo tax consequences for investment!

Don't forget to sign the Petition.

HeavyJ
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  • #30
  • Jun 21, 2006 4:04pm Jun 21, 2006 4:04pm
Whoooooa!

I just checked the rest of this thread and Zowie!

Jmicheals all over this FairTax thing! Great Job!

I'm gettin' out while the gettin's good! I am steeped in the Fair Tax Debate!

I've contacted my Congressmen. Have you contacted yours. Both my states senators have signed on as well!

Get'r'dun!

HeavyJ
HeavyJ -"Posterboy for Spellchecker!" "Will work for pips!"
  • #31
  • Edited 4:23pm Jun 21, 2006 4:17pm | Edited 4:23pm
Quoting HeavyJ
Hey Jmicheal,

You beat me to it. John Linder who wrote the bill and is sponsoring this in the house, said that the Republican leadership is exploring "running" on this as the main issue for the mid terms next fall.
Yeah, my parents are personal friends of him and his family. We all used to go to church together back in the day.

Went to the rally a few weeks ago. Petition: signed

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Great Job!
P.S. Thanks. I really believe in this and will be participating pretty heavily in upcoming rallies and debates around the state.
  • #32
  • Edited 4:42pm Jun 21, 2006 4:27pm | Edited 4:42pm
Quoting jmichaelrush

And this country is not "heaven on earth"? I like living in a country where I can speak freely about these types of issues and actually have a voice. I like being able to drive around without cameras taking pictures of my car and running them through a database every mile or so (England). I like being able to have the freedom to own a handgun. Why do you think we have these freedoms? Because our miltary has kept other countries from infiltrating and running their own regime.




Thank you. If you really believe in what you just said, you should now understand why taxes are necessary:

1. Military is needed to protect freedoms and values.

2. US is only able to keep it's military because we pay taxes.
3. Therefore, taxes are necessary to protect our freedoms and values.


That's all there was to prove.

Dane
  • #33
  • Jun 21, 2006 4:44pm Jun 21, 2006 4:44pm
Come and live in Belgium, like me.
We don't have taxes on profits out of investments!!!! We only have a tax of 25% on interest. (But ForEX and Stockprofits are 100% taxfree)

I love my country!


BTW: We have an exellent Social Security!
  • #34
  • Jun 21, 2006 5:03pm Jun 21, 2006 5:03pm
>Because our miltary has kept other countries from infiltrating and running their own regime.

Thats not what your military has been up to.

And you might want to check on how much of the US Saudi Arabia owns
  • #35
  • Jun 21, 2006 5:04pm Jun 21, 2006 5:04pm
Quoting jmichaelrush
Went to the rally a few weeks ago. Petition: signed
Were you one of the 4500 that got in? or in the 5000 that were turned away?

HJ
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  • #36
  • Edited 5:23pm Jun 21, 2006 5:14pm | Edited 5:23pm
Quoting great*dane
Thank you. If you really believe in what you just said, you should now understand why taxes are necessary:

1. Military is needed to protect freedoms and values.

2. US is only able to keep it's military because we pay taxes.
3. Therefore, taxes are necessary to protect our freedoms and values.

That's all there was to prove.

Dane
If you had read my posts(and/or the FairTax agenda) you would understand that I am not for abolishing taxes, but rather the IRS and the income tax, and installing one flat tax for everybody. Please, before making any accusations against this issue that I am presenting, just read the FairTax book.

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Were you one of the 4500 that got in? or in the 5000 that were turned away?

HJ
Actually, I am somewhere in that picture. I got there about 2AM in the morning and almost fell asleep in line.
  • #37
  • Jun 21, 2006 5:25pm Jun 21, 2006 5:25pm
Funny how the 3 main military countries fighting in Iraq (us,uk and oz) have the most unappealing tax regimes for their citizens.May be these countries citizens are just milking cows for the corporations who dictate laws to suit their own interests.If you are going to get ahead in this heavily taxed and user pays for everything (why are we paying tax 500 times over?) enviroment you need to equip yourself with the best tax minimisation possible.Thank the lord for the internet!Your government wants access to ALL your personal and financial details to increase their revenue base ie. 911 and the changes after.US gov wants all google users info its already got yahoo and alta vista.
  • #38
  • Jun 21, 2006 5:42pm Jun 21, 2006 5:42pm
[quote=jmichaelrush]If you had read my posts(and/or the FairTax agenda) you would understand that I am not for abolishing taxes, but rather the IRS and the income tax, and installing one flat tax for everybody. Please, before making any accusations against this issue that I am presenting, just read the FairTax book.
QUOTE]

jmichaelrush,

I'm far from making accusations, I just don't give up that easily. The point is that you can't just start collecting less taxes and keep spending the same way as if nothing happened. Try this in your household and you will go bankrupt. Money doesn't grow on trees.

I wish your friend had a good idea to solve this issue. I just can't see where the money would come from. I'm all for flat tax, athough it probably wouldn't save me much. After all the deductions (mortgage etc.) my federal tax was never more than 20%. I just don't think this is much.

Anyway, I will read that book and get back to you. Don't go anywhere, we are not finished , and I enjoy a good argument.

Peace,

Dane
  • #39
  • Jun 21, 2006 5:47pm Jun 21, 2006 5:47pm
Quoting great*dane
Thank you. If you really believe in what you just said, you should now understand why taxes are necessary: Dane
Hi Dane,

Have you read the Fair Tax Document? The Fair Tax does not eliminate taxes. The Fair Tax replaces the current tax system and DOES, as written, ABOLISH the IRS. The Fair Tax is revenue Neutral!

Quoting great*dane
1. Military is needed to protect freedoms and values.
Absolutely,

Quoting great*dane
2. US is only able to keep it's military because we pay taxes.
Huh? Ok. Kind of a given isn't it?

Quoting great*dane
3. Therefore, taxes are necessary to protect our freedoms and values.
Right now, taxes are necessary for a lot more than that.

Taxes are neccesary to fuel the runaway beltway lobbiests? These guys definately need a new job!

Taxes are necessary to fund a failing public school system.

Taxes are necessary to build a bridge to nowhere! and other pork projects, spawned from the mentality that Tax money is the descretionary spending income of the government rather than the fruits of our labors.

Taxes are necessary to fund, absolutley outrageous and frivolous, inefficiently run government entitlement programs which cost far more to administer just because of the sheer bureacracy! "I now help pay for Bill Gates Medicine" (no slam on Bill for this-----he didn't write this garbage)

BTW- Needy Seniors, do need help!

---These things cost the taxpayers billions and influence elections----for the few!

Dane, if you haven't investigated Fair Tax .org please do so.

The Fair Tax is not a Tax Cut. It funds the Government at current levels. For The Military....... and the Crap above!

The Crap above is a fight for another day. Easier won when you have an informed populace. When folks see thier Federal Tax bill ......everytime they go to buy groceries or anything else for that matter, they will take more notice to the crap above

[/quote]That's all there was to prove.
Dane[/quote]

I think you should look a little further....

HJ

HeavyJ -"Posterboy for Spellchecker!" "Will work for pips!"
  • #40
  • Jun 21, 2006 5:59pm Jun 21, 2006 5:59pm
Quoting jmichaelrush

Actually, I am somewhere in that picture. I got there about 2AM in the morning and almost fell asleep in line.

This Line????

HJ
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