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  • #8,001
  • May 19, 2013 3:47am May 19, 2013 3:47am
Quoting erkro
Hi Geomink and Tony! First I want to thank Tony for his ideas and his system, because he has success and gives his knowledge for free. Most of the really successful trader, and believe me there are only a few of them, don’t explain what they are really doing! I trade forex since around 12 years and I was also sitting in front of my pc many many hours. Some days I trained, learned and was trading up to 18 hours a day! I know it is crazy, but I am used to train hard to reach my goals from sports, so I did it also in forex. I lost a lot of money,...
Thanks for yours and Tony's sharing. Indeed the forex world is a cold and heartless place, but I am lucky to have stumbled into this site and thread.

I considered myself a new trader, and it was only recently I decided to make it a full time engagement. I had very mixed successes and failures, my successes were modest, but my failures adds up to be quite epic over time. Thanks to the generous sharing here, I have changed the way I look at trading, I am even seriously considering going to the O platform.

Thanks and wishing you guys every success!
  • #8,002
  • May 19, 2013 4:09am May 19, 2013 4:09am
I had a few questions about the new strategy:
1. If one order is triggered do we automatically cancel the order that is not triggered? (OCO)
2. If not, do we cancel an order that is not triggered after a period of time?
3. How soon do we move the SL to zero?
4. Do we filter trades based on the spread?
5. Do we filter trades based on slippage?

Thanks Tony!

Pete
  • #8,003
  • May 19, 2013 5:03am May 19, 2013 5:03am
Quoting TheMaxx
I had a few questions about the new strategy: 1. If one order is triggered do we automatically cancel the order that is not triggered? (OCO) 2. If not, do we cancel an order that is not triggered after a period of time? 3. How soon do we move the SL to zero? 4. Do we filter trades based on the spread? 5. Do we filter trades based on slippage? Thanks Tony! Pete
Pete,

As soon as the order is filled, I'll cancel the other that is not, although I'm not sure if that's Tony's intend. I have tried similar strategy before, and had been hit with stop losses on both directions.

If possible at all, you should move SL to zero as soon as you are in positive numbers. But this isn't always possible or necessary. When trading news, the initial surge can be so fast, your profit target or stop loss gets hit before you even had a chance to move the stop loss to zero.

The key to success here is low spread and slippage. Which is why EURUSD is the pair of choice. With a low stop loss strategy like this, difference of 1 pip spread is mammoth. Especially when news release gives a mixed picture, prices would tend to oscillate between two extremes, and you need every bit of space to avoid your stops getting hit.

Slippage is also a major consideration in news trading, because of slippage, your order may get filled at a disadvantageous rate, which makes it a bigger gamble to come out profitable. I have heard of - although never experienced spreads or slippage as big as 20 pips during volatile sessions. So bear in mind, sh!t happens from time to time. Every bit counts! Which is why O broker seems to be so popular here.
  • #8,004
  • May 19, 2013 8:11am May 19, 2013 8:11am
Thank you. I work full time so can't trade this strategy manually - I've found a straddle EA so ill start demoing that this week
  • #8,005
  • May 20, 2013 9:47am May 20, 2013 9:47am
Quoting Tony112
This news is also one that I may authorise in the list.. it's coming soon: German PPI m/m
last month chart German PPI gmt time release at 07:00gmt

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  • #8,006
  • May 21, 2013 7:00am May 21, 2013 7:00am
Hi Tony,

A quick one. First i need thank you for sharing. Regardless of results, sharing is the biggest bless anyone can offer.

I have read your post 1 and it's attachment several times. It makes me nervous every time I see you stating none finished work and to be continued at the end. Now I have read the last 50 pages of the thread.. Would this do the job or I have to read more in to the history? Does post 1 cover most of the gist?

I have to confess I should've dig in deeper before I pop the question.

Thanks you
  • #8,007
  • May 21, 2013 7:43am May 21, 2013 7:43am
The result of trading random candles. You pay the price.
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  • #8,008
  • May 21, 2013 8:09am May 21, 2013 8:09am
Quoting Tony112
The result of trading random candles. You pay the price. {image}
so after there was no significant price change at 8.00 , you were looking for 5 pip candles ?
  • #8,009
  • May 21, 2013 1:59pm May 21, 2013 1:59pm
After looking through the past news announcements posted on the economic calendar at forex factory it appears as though this method is most useful on major (red) news announcements. I looked through the news for the EUR, GBP, as well as AUD, and the situations that trigger heavy, one-way momentum are almost always the major news. The moderate (orange) new announcements do move the market as well but not nearly as effectively as major announcements. This fact alone takes away from the probability of the strategy. I think that because a news straddle relies on strong one way movement it is in our best interest to trade only the major new announcements.
  • #8,010
  • May 21, 2013 5:21pm May 21, 2013 5:21pm
Quoting Fedmayne
After looking through the past news announcements posted on the economic calendar at forex factory it appears as though this method is most useful on major (red) news announcements. I looked through the news for the EUR, GBP, as well as AUD, and the situations that trigger heavy, one-way momentum are almost always the major news. The moderate (orange) new announcements do move the market as well but not nearly as effectively as major announcements. This fact alone takes away from the probability of the strategy. I think that because a news straddle...
I agree with you. Major news events moves the market better, the initial momentum is also quite unanimous for such news. As such the risk of prices whipsawing within the first few candles is low.

However we need to be extra cautious when potentially conflicting major news are released at the same time. The market might not know how to react and prices could oscillate between extremes, resulting in both sides triggered, and getting hit by stop loss on both sides.

Been there, done that. It was painful as hell.
  • #8,011
  • May 22, 2013 3:38am May 22, 2013 3:38am
GBP/USD

Red news: MPC Meeting Minutes AND Retail Sales m/m

Dropped a good 40+ pips FAST only problem is spread.. Traded on demo to test, I made 20 pips
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  • #8,012
  • May 22, 2013 3:58am May 22, 2013 3:58am
Nice method you have here Tony

I watched Cable news on the 5 sec chart, a thing of beauty
  • #8,013
  • May 22, 2013 5:06am May 22, 2013 5:06am
who took the trade on CHF ?
  • #8,014
  • May 22, 2013 5:37am May 22, 2013 5:37am
I have just tested the previous month German & French Flash Manufacturing news (released on April 23th) setting a straddle as Tony instructed. Exactly 2 minutes before.
It was perfect.
I set a TP of 20 pips and it was hit nicely in both events.

Tomorrow, I'll go real...
  • #8,015
  • May 22, 2013 8:13am May 22, 2013 8:13am
Quoting dvanderlinde
GBP/USD Red news: MPC Meeting Minutes AND Retail Sales m/m Dropped a good 40+ pips FAST only problem is spread.. Traded on demo to test, I made 20 pips {image} {image}
From where do you get the green graph for the spread? interesting
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  • #8,016
  • May 22, 2013 8:14am May 22, 2013 8:14am
The reason why I don't trade random elevations or drops.... the markets have changed so much. Nothing is the same. Awaiting Flash tonight (French and German)
It's going to be epic
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  • #8,017
  • May 22, 2013 8:39am May 22, 2013 8:39am
I am not very familiar with the oanda fxtrade terminal, does anyone know if we can get more lookback data on the 5 second chart. I can only get about 90 minutes, is that normal please?
  • #8,018
  • May 22, 2013 9:10am May 22, 2013 9:10am
Quoting HighFive
I am not very familiar with the oanda fxtrade terminal, does anyone know if we can get more lookback data on the 5 second chart. I can only get about 90 minutes, is that normal please?
What you do, go to Tools -> User Preference, after that, click on PERIODS tab:
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From here you can select the time periods that you need.
  • #8,019
  • May 22, 2013 9:11am May 22, 2013 9:11am
damn didnt noe bernanke speech would hav such a big spike
  • #8,020
  • May 22, 2013 9:17am May 22, 2013 9:17am
Quoting Tony112
The reason why I don't trade random elevations or drops.... the markets have changed so much. Nothing is the same. Awaiting Flash tonight (French and German) It's going to be epic {image}
The Existing Home Sales + Helicopter Ben's talk did have a very good impact on the market. My long order was filled at 1.2953 and I exited with a stress free 29 pips gain.

I do agree with you, markets have changed so much, and it's getting quite unpredictable. Nowadays prices seem to go where it feels like without respecting any indicators, resistance / support levels.

Thanks for opening my eyes! Cheers!
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