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Quoting Jayf19
{quote} If you are courageous enough, Argon, follow what SP has told you WITHOUT the indicator. No back testing (unless you have trouble identifying CZ, or unless you want to understand what happens AFTER a CZ has appeared - but then that would mean you haven't done the 1 week homework). Forward test and you will soon see the simplicity of the strategy. There isn't much to it, really. CZ forms, you fix a reasonable target, price breaks out. And 2 things can happen. You win, or you get stopped out. Thing is, price won't stay in that range forever....

thanks for reply
but I quite well understand this strategy, and I am using indi not to count manualy to find "sweet spot" ( one can use ATR as well, as help),and of course price must go in one or other direction,(who cares ! when I was novice trader I cared !) coz right cant stay there 4ever, and I am doing live trading (demo thought) and it going just GREAT! and my SL/TP levels are not greedy at all, so they work well!

I dont understand why SP is so upset, maybe he cant find settings and pairs above 80 + % even 1-5 years back, but I can, and that means a lot, that means that setting is GREAT and will work in future as well with probability more less (+ -90%)I mean if setting is good this month and as well all moths 3-5 years back that means to me quality and high probability for futures good trades, where I use only maximum first line of recovery trades,(or rest of less then 20 % of trades) so my manual set ups are GOOD!
well that isn't not my problem and I am not saying blah,blah at all ! I am trading more then 4 years, unfortunately just demo, (but that will be changed soon), and most of the time manually I was trading breakouts from CZ,and other patterns!

have seen many systems like london break ( Merr's), squalou was coding indis and EA, all what Steve Hopwood have done, naningbob strategies, (my one, some of them quite good ones), (have red hundreds of books and tried more then 100 systems and 1000 indis), and maybe SP should read great book " Trade chart patterns like a pro "(suri dudela, about naked trading and cz zones, paterns H&S and cups, adam-eve , round tops and bottoms double/triple tops/bottoms, break trough etc), which I know page by page, and all good patterns,which work even today as gartley pattern after 50 years, so we can talk about trading later ! coz there is one BIG TRUTH, the patterns work coz traders doesn't change their mentality, that always stays the same , fear, greed, SL/TP hunting by big banks and big guys etc, etc.....that's forex most of the time " surprise move" for retail crowd ! and price is 90 % intentionally driven by federal reserve, big banks, other CB and other their friends, but the boss and owner of the game is federal reserve, as well (rockafeler and rothshild family), dont tell me you was thinking that forex is place where they are inviting us to get rich ? lol !

NO, they want our last penny !

its zero sum game kill or get killed !don't tell me you didn't know this truth?

thanks again and kind regards
argon
Quoting argon
{quote} thanks for reply but I quite well understand this strategy, and I am using indi not to count manualy to find "sweet spot" ( one can use ATR as well, as help),and of course price must go in one or other direction,(who cares ! when I was novice trader I cared !) coz right cant stay there 4ever, and I am doing live trading (demo thought) and it going just GREAT! and my SL/TP levels are not greedy at all, so they work well! I dont understand why SP is so upset, maybe he cant find settings and pairs above 80 % even 1-5 years back, I can,...
Oh dear... You can keep looking for the holy grail of settings on demo while SP and I trade the system live and understand what we actually are doing.

Good luck!
Quoting SedonaPipper
{quote} You seem to have spent most of your time in the FF trading ea's instead of learning how to trade. Why not forget all this stuff and learn how to trade? I gave you some advice previously, and you come back with 80% wins on a few pairs blah blah blah, I use 0% win settings. Think about that - 0% win settings and I still find cz's and trade them. I am not afraid of negative pips won on the indicator because I know how to trade a cz and I know a lot about the indicator and what the relationship between its variables mean. The wrong part...


thanks for reply SP
but I quite well understand this strategy, and I am using indi not to count manualy to find "sweet spot" ( one can use ATR as well, as help),and of course price must go in one or other direction,(who cares ! when I was novice trader I cared !) coz right cant stay there 4ever, and I am doing live trading (demo thought) and it going just GREAT! and my SL/TP levels are not greedy at all, so they work well!

I dont understand why you are so upset, maybe coz you cant find settings and pairs for above 80 + % ( even 1-5 years back), but I can, and that means a lot, that means that setting is GREAT and will work in future as well with probability more less (+ -90%)I mean if setting is good this month and as well all moths 3-5 years back that means to me quality and high probability for futures good trades, where I use only maximum first line of recovery trades,(or rest of less then 20 % of trades) so my manual set ups are GOOD!
well that isn't not my problem and I am not saying blah,blah at all ! I am trading more then 4 years, unfortunately just demo, (but that will be changed soon), and most of the time manually I was trading breakouts from CZ,and other patterns!

have seen many systems like london break ( Merr's), squalou was coding indis and EA, all what Steve Hopwood have done, naningbob strategies, (my one, some of them quite good ones), (have red hundreds of books and tried more then 100 systems and 1000 indis), and maybe you should read great book " Trade chart patterns like a pro "(suri dudela, about naked trading and cz zones, patterns H&S and cups, adam-eve , round tops and bottoms double/triple tops/bottoms, break trough etc), which I know page by page, and all good patterns,which work even today as gartley pattern after 50 years, so we can talk about trading later ! coz there is one BIG TRUTH, the patterns work coz traders doesn't change their mentality, that always stays the same , fear, greed, SL/TP hunting by big banks and big guys etc, etc.....that's forex most of the time " surprise move" for retail crowd ! and price is 90 % intentionally driven by federal reserve, big banks, other CB and other their friends, but the boss and owner of the game is federal reserve, as well (rockafeler and rothshild family), dont tell me you was thinking that forex is place where they are inviting us to get rich ? lol !

NO, they want our last penny !

its zero sum game kill or get killed !don't tell me you didn't know this truth?

thanks again and kind regards
argon
Quoting Jayf19
{quote} Oh dear... You can keep looking for the holy grail of settings on demo while SP and I trade the system live and understand what we actually are doing. Good luck!

thanks for your reply jay19

but I know what I am doing as well, and demo account shows the same price as real account , so that is OK! do you agree? or you live (cent maybe?)
shows some other pricing ? when I was talking about trading live ( I did cents accounts, and its worthless), I meant real acc. 10-50 K!
and I am not looking for "holy grail" at all, there is not "perfect system" all of them ask for good MM etc, but the closest to " holy grail" for me is my knowledge of trading patterns and this system (+indi) mix !

thanks again and kind regards
argon

ps/ I really don't want to argue at all..think we are just expressing our self's points , that's all and if you want the dudela's book I will post it, its great one really !
Patiently awaiting the start of the new week. I am going to begin my 100 day forward test. The image shows the the types of CZ's I am interested in. I will be keeping a journal of my trades as well. The last few weeks I have accustomed myself with the concept of waking up to take these trades. My discipline still needs a bit of work and so I will begin by taking only one trade per CZ and then move forward from there. I am sure I will learn something about my trading and myself in the next 100 days.

Cheers and good luck this week.

Neil
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Remember, Red. Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things...
I dont understand why you are so upset, maybe coz you cant find settings and pairs for above 80 + % ( even 1-5 years back), but I can, and that means a lot, that means that setting is GREAT and will work in future as well with probability more less (+ -90%)I mean if setting is good this month and as well all moths 3-5 years back that means to me quality and high probability for futures good trades, where I use only maximum first line of recovery trades,(or rest of less then 20 % of trades) so my manual set ups are GOOD!
well that isn't not my problem and I am not saying blah,blah at all ! I am trading more then 4 years, unfortunately just demo, (but that will be changed soon), and most of the time manually I was trading breakouts from CZ,and other patterns!

Who says I am upset - I can find settings that are 100%, I can find settings that produce 6,000,000 pips in 100 days. Your premise that settings that were good 3 - 5 years back is interesting and is a mental trap. I suggested you pay attention to what part of your brain is active when you think of glories and riches based on the demo trading you have been doing for 4 years. 4 years give me a break. Even when all I could do was pull together $50 bucks a month for a while to put in my trading account I did so because I wanted to learn to be a trader. Where is your commitment to being a trader? Are you able to put all you have into a trading account today and live with yourself tommorrow?

Actually your name says it all argon - 18th elemnet on the periodic table, an inert gas. 4 years as a demo trader is pretty inert. good luck I am no longer going to respond to you.
I make money anywhere in the world by taking orders
Quoting SedonaPipper
I dont understand why you are so upset, maybe coz you cant find settings and pairs for above 80 + % ( even 1-5 years back), but I can, and that means a lot, that means that setting is GREAT and will work in future as well with probability more less (+ -90%)I mean if setting is good this month and as well all moths 3-5 years back that means to me quality and high probability for futures good trades, where I use only maximum first line of recovery trades,(or rest of less then 20 % of trades) so my manual set ups are GOOD! well that isn't not...

this is really funny ! and I havent heard bigger lie ever since 100 % and 6.000 000 pips in 100 days setups ???,(my best are just above 90% with small amounts of money, so you must be a genius or magician and you will take all money from the world and close forex forever? right ?)! I dont know about that but,well you SP , you got BIG EGO 4 sure !
and of course you think that argon is my real name...that's silly really, is your name sedona? maybe you a gay (if you are a girl I apologize my self),but don't worry I am quite open minded, so I don't mind that, its your life anyway ?
oh, yes I will put about 10 000 $ on my account very soon and thats only a part of money I can afford for trading (fortunately) , and yes I will be able to make a bit of money, and live with myself (and my family 2) tomorrow 4 sure, and day after tomorrow 2 ,and why not?

you see the figures you see on your platform are not money, they are just figures,(what is money after all, have you ever thought about it really?) money is just in your head my dear friend, and when you success to think about forex as the game and try to make points,to win the game that day, or win the battle in that moments,(forex is similar to the age of empires I- III or any strategic game) you might become very good trader, but not until that day! you must forget you are trading in dollars,(you see I have keep closed bottom of MT4 so I never look at PL or pips/dollars when I trade,I look at the PA and patterns, try it might help you, my good advice don't look at PL window), when you think in dollars you will be loser always my friend no matter how many times you have lost 50$ or so, coz 50 $ is just 50 $ and when you start (if ever) trading with real money thousands or ten of it, you will get infarct first time you lose or make 1000 dollars right ?

and yes, better 4 years demo then 4 x burned thousands of dollars, and given to the banks, federal reserve, big sharks, brokers, pros etc...
and tell me how many years need one person to become a doctor or lawyer, engineer ? 4-5 maybe, maybe even more ? so why do you think you can master forex in 1-2 years and other cant ? do you think that forex is easy to master? why do you think that is easier to become trader then doctor really ? actually many doctors lawyers, engineers are lousy traders, so its clear that is easier to become a doctor then pro trader ! we are lucky that math is not one opinion my friend, thanks god ! I told you , you've got BIG EGO my friend, but dont worry forex likes people with big egos very much, he will cure you 4 good, or you will give up forex!

have a great day and life, kind regards

argon (on old Greek means noble one my friend)
to xux99
my biggest compliments for developing and improving of this system's indi and system it self! you and all team have done great job!
god bless you and all of your family !

thanks very much again
kind regards
argon
Quoting argon
to xux99 my biggest compliments for developing and improving of this system's indi and system it self! you and all team have done great job! god bless you and all of your family ! thanks very much again kind regards argon
Argon,

I believe SedonaP and Jay were just trying to guide you in the right direction. Unlike most of the other threads on FF you will find an element of tough love here.

What is you game plan for this week? How do you plan on moving forward with your trading? Are you going to draw boxes manually or use the indicator to aid you?

Have you thought about any of this? These are the things you should be posting.

And as always, anything I post is my humble opinion.

I wish you good luck.
Remember, Red. Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things...
Quoting argon
{quote} this is really funny ! and I havent heard bigger lie ever since 100 % and 6.000 000 pips in 100 days setups ???,(my best are just above 90% with small amounts of money, so you must be a genius or magician and you will take all money from the world and close forex forever? right ?)! I dont know about that but,well you SP , you got BIG EGO 4 sure !

Boom, 6 million pips in 100 days, took a whole 3 minute to dial in these numbers with 90 % + win rate.

SP is one of the few that has been able to put his "ego" aside in this thread. He is the only one who has been able to publicly open up his fears and share his personal experiences from a psychological viewpoint. You come around here throwing the same rhetoric as every other newbie, about dialing in the perfect settings, asking where to get the newest indie and what are the "better features' involved and how it'll make you a millionaire. Do yourself a favor and stop blinding yourself with the glory of past results and learn how to trade the system.

All we are trying to do is help you in the right direction, nothing more, nothing less. No ego is involved from our side; just sick of having people jumping in who don't have anything to actually share.

I can give you amazing settings that won't give you jack if you don't understand the purpose of MM involved and how it is being traded.

Quoting argon
{quote}and yes, better 4 years demo then 4 x burned thousands of dollars, and given to the banks, federal reserve, big sharks, brokers, pros etc...
and tell me how many years need one person to become a doctor or lawyer, engineer ? !
IMO, and in the opinion of a lot of folks, demo trading won't teach you anything. You have no involvement in your trades whatsoever, how will you learn to manage your fears and deal with stress? How stressed do you get out of trading, you haven't got a damn clue since you've never done it.

Has playing Monopoly helped me in becoming a real estate investor? You get the point.

Same as SP, I won't bother replying from here on. You say you have an open mind then bring out shit about gay people (what ever the fuck the point was). Open your mind to the system and to the actual help that's being given to you instead of blinding yourself with what you think you know.
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Jay, if you think 7 digits of green pips is nice, how about 9? Multiply that by 3.4 (and compounded) for my annual winnings, and you can finally understand why I own South America.
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To improve is to change. To perfect, is to change often.
argon, why don't you show as a chart now with all those settings


dragan
fxkeys
Quoting ForexFury
{quote} Argon, I believe SedonaP and Jay were just trying to guide you in the right direction. Unlike most of the other threads on FF you will find an element of tough love here. What is you game plan for this week? How do you plan on moving forward with your trading? Are you going to draw boxes manually or use the indicator to aid you? Have you thought about any of this? These are the things you should be posting. And as always, anything I post is my humble opinion. I wish you good luck.

thanks for answer FF
well my thoughts was to choose the best setups, and use indi to draw the CZ zones, and I will execute trades with no delay or thoughts what might be or not, coz I want to see how market behaves now! last week I had already good trades, with the same system.
of course I have developed for each pair their MM settings according to projections of trading !

thanks again and kind regards
argon
Quoting Jayf19
{quote} Boom, 6 million pips in 100 days, took a whole 3 minute to dial in these numbers with 90 % + win rate. SP is one of the few that has been able to put his "ego" aside in this thread. He is the only one who has been able to publicly open up his fears and share his personal experiences from a psychological viewpoint. You come around here throwing the same rhetoric as every other newbie, about dialing in the perfect settings, asking where to get the newest indie and what are the "better features' involved and how it'll make you a millionaire....

if someone is newbie, thats you and stop be rude ( or you just cant?) and who gives a fuck if you don't want to answer me anymore!

I like your settings with only 300 martingale !, and yes I have many setups 2 with more then 90 % even with 95- 100 % , which has helped me to executed perfect trades ( the point is that my good setups resolving trades in BO > 85-90 and next one recovery is 100 or at least 90 again, so that's the point), and the market will behave like it behaves always similar but different, and pattern repeat them self even more then half of century, so stop bull shiting here about your presumed knowledge,and mine not knowledge, coz I know trading patterns much better then you do 4 sure!!!) ! and I am telling you again YOU WILL NEVER BECOME A GOOD TRADER UNLESS YOU STOP THINKING IN $$$$, NO MATER HOW MANY CENTS ACCOUNTS YOU HAVE BUSTED !!!! DO YOU GET IT !!! because you will have an real infarct when you loose (or get) some real money 500,1000,2000 $$$$ ! and if you have fear, you will never become a real pro trader, you must learn to see forex as a strategy game, otherwise you are lost forever! and I have done cent account and its worthless, I am saying that again! if you can,you can imagine that figures on the screen are real money (on demo account, coz on "real" are the same figures, just your brain is screwed with it $$$$) and behave like that, but DONT LOOK AT PL BAR close it, if you want to become a pro trader ! first you must lern to make a strategy,a plan, forget fear and then just to execute trade like an EA, and maybe one day you will become better trader ! maybe not , but why cares really?

no regards
argon
ps/
what you have to learn first that if trade looks good in so many days and patterns,100- 500-5000 and its above > 85-90 % just fuck execute f trade, that's all as an EA, no fear, no emotions,(trading and philosophy has nothing common) no what might be , no what if, no fucking nothing just click, that's all and you might become better trader,(try on demo and imagine that those figures are real $$$, as on "real" account are the same figures lol!!!) after that level, you will manage to improve your setups and executions and come closer to pro trader if you manage to forget about $$$ fear and greed !
wow....somethings just will never change on a forum.....
Quoting dragan9
argon, why don't you show as a chart now with all those settings dragan

hi dragan9

sorry I cant, as they work for so many years, they will stop working just as all winners EA had stop working (patterns and algorithms with if it) after any contest MTQ and others, coz forex is not free market , it very controlled place and price is driven intentionaly most of the time ( I have explained in previous posts), and would be shame, wouldn't it ?
and that's why the founder of this thread never have posted and EA here (they got it for sure, but they did it well not posting here an EA), coz this is one of the best strategy, and indi I have seen ever,on FF and it is hard proven profitable, that's why !
thats why this thread is where it is, think a little ! but glorious of this strategy,is that it can have endless combination of patterns, pairs, TF etc...geeez it can be really a real nightmare for master of universe (rockafeller, rothshild ,real owners of federal reserve, forex and planet earth, by the way) and all their banks friends, big sharks, which work for them as buffet, sorosh ,bill gates, goldman sachs brokers and all other criminals !
I am sure you can find good setups with more research !

kind regards
argon
Quoting dojirock
wow....somethings just will never change on a forum.....
Unfortunately, this pretty much confirms why I stopped posting here... lol
Well this has been fun.
It's a shame this thread has degenerated into a name calling contest.
Thanks to all the SSBO contributors - FXhard, XUX, Squalou, The Aussies. All have offered help, advice and most precious of all their time. Thank you.
It's a shame I too will be leaving this thread, because what helpful snippets were here to improve my and anyone who wanted to work on their SSBO trading, has now just become a place to vent their anger on the world and increase their vocabulary of abusive words.
Good luck!
Quoting Jayf19
{quote} Unfortunately, this pretty much confirms why I stopped posting here... lol
There are plenty that wish you would continue!
Remember, Red. Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things...
I have never used for first abusive language ( I have just answer on such silly talking) and I am not angry at world at all, but if you guys are living in some matrix reality thats your problem not mine!

cheers and good luck
and of course thanks to a great funder and other coders and helpers of thes thread and system !
argon
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